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What about media? Are these guys only in one of the buildings at the site or have they occupied all the buildings (as I've seen in pictures of the compound here on DU). Earlier I heard that they were 150 strong - then I heard that there are only about 15 guys there - what is it? Have any measures been taken yet to turn off utilities and freeze and starve them out? Where these guys planners and prepared? Did they take provisions in with them or was this just a spur of the moment occupation?
Why is there so little information coming out of this area?
Have there been any comments by any of the candidates running for the nomination from either party yet?
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)...the insurgent terrorists are WHITE. Don't expect to see the treatment of this matter you would see if those guys had more than a sun tan.
GummyBearz
(2,931 posts)Because that is something that liberals stand for? Separating people by the color of their skin?
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)GummyBearz
(2,931 posts)Since that is the limitation of your vision
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)But I can see what you are very clearly.
GummyBearz
(2,931 posts)I'm sure you will get it right. You are a smart individual.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Your words say enough.
GummyBearz
(2,931 posts)Mr./Ms. "lets blow them up". Sick
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)GummyBearz
(2,931 posts)Once they attempt to kill people, its time to shoot back. Until then they are sitting in some building.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)This group has threatened violence openly unless their political will holds sway.
That literally makes them terrorists.
We have a national policy more than 35 years old where we do not negotiate with terrorists.
That leaves two options.
They surrender.
Or they die.
GummyBearz
(2,931 posts)Yet you seem very keen on the "they die" option. Wonder why..... well, thankfully we have a smart president who gets to decide what happens next.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)GummyBearz
(2,931 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)GummyBearz
(2,931 posts)Or just certain ones?
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)What do you think they will do?
GummyBearz
(2,931 posts)Rather go to jail for a short time than get shot by a sniper. What would you do?
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)when discussing how the "authorities" respond to the crime. Example: unarmed sales of "loosey" cigarette = Choked to death; armed occupation of federal lands, while promising violence should the government intervene = sit back and go slow; a loss of life is to be avoided.
GummyBearz
(2,931 posts)On this site, it is correctly pointed out how black people keep getting called "thugs" and get killed for non-violent offenses. Let's not make ourselves hypocrites and demand the death penalty for people of a different color for occupying a building, unless they actually use violence
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)apologia for these armed occupiers threatening to use violence; while giving lip service to the deaths of UNARMED folks, that may, or may not have committed a crime ... as if the two "resolution" approaches are equivalent.
GummyBearz
(2,931 posts)I have tried to bring attention to the police violence problem to many people, and you may call it lip service, as all I have done is talked and argued and tried to educate people in my day to day life. I have never heard of the "two resolution approach", and I am absolutely opposed to any such thing. I am also opposed to killing people unnecessarily, whether black or white. These white people should serve jail time for all the laws they broke. Until they shoot at someone, they should not be sentenced to death.
I doubt we will see eye to eye on this but I hope you can respect that
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...that skin color matters, a lot, in how crimes are treated by law enforcement and the media.
It hardly seems controversial to point that out, ESPECIALLY on a liberal board.
Baitball Blogger
(46,672 posts)We are only pointing out the incongruities that are infringing on OUR Civil Rights.
Anansi1171
(793 posts)...of criminal offenders based on race and other factors.
And people complain about my "schtick"!
Xipe Totec
(43,888 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)csziggy
(34,131 posts)Just at the base of the fire tower near the headquarters. Sarah Sidner said there are no authorities, local, state or federal on site. Just "us" meaning reporters.
I bet the reporters won't stay long. It's too far from anywhere for them to enjoy hanging out there and it is cold - high of 28 F today according to one report. So long as nothing happens, the reporters will want to get the hell out of there and to somewhere warm or at least somewhere with decent hotels and restaurants.
leftyladyfrommo
(18,864 posts)I think everyone is hoping they will get cold and bored and go home.
Takket
(21,525 posts)the double standard is disgusting.
leftyladyfrommo
(18,864 posts)They are just camping out there.
There aren't any other people out there. They are 25 miles from the nearest town. And there are only about 15 guys. It's not a huge crowd.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)They threatened violence against any attempt to remove them from their illegal occupation of federal property.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)Arkana
(24,347 posts)they didn't bring supplies and are petitioning like-minded individuals to supply them...
...through the US Postal Service.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Takket
(21,525 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Just blow the hell out of the trucks. No one gets hurt, CNN gets to cover cool explosions, and the inbreeders get hungry. Win, win, win.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Vinca
(50,236 posts)Takket
(21,525 posts)leftyladyfrommo
(18,864 posts)That gets so old so fast when there isn't anything to do.
The guys they are supposedly helping support don't want anything to do with them. The townspeople don't want them there.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)I suspect federal and state-level law enforcement are trickling in. Road conditions are really bad in the region right now (snow and freezing rain all over), so transportation will be slow. The Burns municipal airport may or may not be open...it will be hard to keep the runways clear of ice.
The perimeter that law enforcement sets up is going to have to be pretty far out, since the countryside around the compound is very open (in other words, the militants have open fields of fire). They definitely weren't just winging it, either: there are trailers full of supplies and they have generators. This was a well-planned operation, for all that the motivation behind it is idiotic. I expect them to be cut off from the grid at some point, just so that they have to start burning the fuel for those generators. Cutting off their water would be almost impossible. There will be a well (I've never seen one in my multiple visits, but I had no reason to look for one), and there's a big holding pond right next to the facility...and a spring about 1500 feet away.
There are more reporters on site now (just getting there would have likely taken all day yesterday, given the conditions). There has been an Oregonian newspaper reporter there the whole time: he lives in Burns, about 30 miles away by road. He's the guy who took most of the pics that have been published in the coverage so far.
global1
(25,219 posts)Are they self-funding or are they getting money from some other source to do this?
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)And yes, I think this absolutely qualifies as sedition:
18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy
"If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both."
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2384
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Jan 1 after 26 years.
http://burnstimesherald.info/2014/11/26/sheriff-to-retire-after-26-years/