Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

TrollBuster9090

(5,954 posts)
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 06:29 PM Jan 2016

Nice Article From ThinkProgress About The Crackpot Mentality Behind The Oregon Standoff

Nice article from Think Progress about the crackpot militia mentality behind the Oregon standoff

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2016/01/04/3735672/inside-the-backwards-ideology-driving-the-right-wing-militiamen-who-captured-a-federal-building/

Synopsis:
What happened: Dwight and Steven Hammond were convicted of poaching and arson when they poached wildlife on the federal wildlife reserve and then set it on fire to hide the evidence, burning 139 acres of federal land. The convictions carried a minimum sentence of 5 years, but a wingnut district judge (Michael Hogan) gave them a sentence of only a few months. The Federal Government appealed, and the 9th circuit court of appeals overturned the lesser sentence as being illegal, and ordered them to go back to prison.


What the wingnuts are claiming:

Press release from Clive Bundy:

The United States Justice Department has NO jurisdiction or authority within the State of Oregon (ie-the standard 'nullification' crap), County of Harney over this type of ranch management. These lands are not under U.S. treaties or commerce, they are not article 4 territories, and Congress does not have unlimited power. These lands have been admitted into statehood and are part of the great State of Oregon and the citizens of Harney County enjoy the fullness of the protections of the U.S. Constitution. The U.S. Constitution limits United States government.”


And from the usual peanut gallery…
The Tenth Amendment Center — a leading proponent of “nullification,” the unconstitutional idea that states can invalidate federal lawstouts an obscure 2005 law review article arguing that the federal government is obligated to “sell off” most land that is contained within the borders of a state and “distribute the subsequent monies in ways that benefited the public good such as paying off the debt or tax cuts.” (Hence the impetus behind this....sell Federal land to private interests, which gets the secret nod from the plutocrats.) Similarly, the Nevada arm of Americans for Prosperity, one of the flagship groups funded by the billionaire Koch brothers, originally backed Clive Bundy during his 2014 standoff with the federal government, although it eventually scrubbed social media posts supporting the anti-government rancher.
Bundy’s views have also been embraced by one of the most influential stars in the conservative constellation — Fox News. Appearing on Sean Hannity’s show to discuss Clive Bundy’s confrontation with the feds, Fox senior judicial analyst Andrew Napolitano claimed that “the Constitution simply does not authorize the federal government to own any” of the land it owns within several states including Nevada.



The Legal Reality:
Snip:
As a constitutional matter, this is gobbledygook. The Constitution provides that “Congress shall have power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States.” Moreover, the Supreme Court unanimously held in Kleppe v. New Mexico, that this constitutional provision provides that “the power over the public land thus entrusted to Congress is without limitations.” The federal government may own land, it may enact regulations governing that land, and it may do with its own land as it chooses, regardless of whether that land is within the borders of a state.

20 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Nice Article From ThinkProgress About The Crackpot Mentality Behind The Oregon Standoff (Original Post) TrollBuster9090 Jan 2016 OP
And some of our best minds are trying to figure out how to blame it on "Oregon Berniebros" Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #1
Where has anyone on DU attempted to tie this to "Oregon Berniebros"? eom 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #2
Oh, Oregon is a cesspool of right-wing racism, don't you know! Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #3
You edited the post claiming that someone was trying to tie this event to "Oregon Berniebros" ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #4
which post did I edit? Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #5
Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #6
No, I edited my second post in the thread, to include a picture of a Sanders rally. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #7
Okay ... But, know. I do not know what you are talking about ... ergo, the question. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #8
Maybe they haven't given you the secret password to the clubhouse, then. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #9
Or, you are just crying wolf, i.e., just making it up? 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #10
Could be. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #11
Perhaps ... But my money is on "Just made up the claim." eom 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #12
Only God can make a Clam, sir. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #13
Really? ... I thought other clams could ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #14
FILTH! SMUT! CLAM ORGY! Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #15
Oh ... I am! Facts have no place here. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #16
That is such a bizarre assertion. That comment can be characterized KittyWampus Jan 2016 #17
Hmm, maybe. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #18
Why does every fucking thread have to be dragged into GD-P cesspool? tabasco Jan 2016 #19
Maybe I'm wrong. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #20

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
1. And some of our best minds are trying to figure out how to blame it on "Oregon Berniebros"
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 06:34 PM
Jan 2016
"psssst pssst-pssst! psssst pssst pssst!" "tee-hee! tee-hee!"


Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
3. Oh, Oregon is a cesspool of right-wing racism, don't you know!
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 06:40 PM
Jan 2016




And here, it "has this reputation of being progressive" heavy sigh heavy sigh.
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
4. You edited the post claiming that someone was trying to tie this event to "Oregon Berniebros" ...
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 06:45 PM
Jan 2016

Perhaps, a 4th effort is required.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
5. which post did I edit?
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 06:48 PM
Jan 2016

If you're going to call the post edit police, you might want to do your research, first.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
6. Well ...
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 06:57 PM
Jan 2016

Replies to this discussion thread


Arrow 5 replies Author Time Post

Reply Nice Article From ThinkProgress About The Crackpot Mentality Behind The Oregon Standoff [View all]
TrollBuster9090 5:29 PM OP

LineNew Reply And some of our best minds are trying to figure out how to blame it on "Oregon Berniebros"
Warren DeMontague 5:34 PM #1

LineLineNew Reply Where has anyone on DU attempted to tie this to "Oregon Berniebros"? eom
1StrongBlackMan 5:38 PM #2

LineLineLineNew Reply Oh, Oregon is a cesspool of right-wing racism, don't you know!
Warren DeMontague 5:40 PM #3

LineLineLineLineNew Reply You edited the post claiming that someone was trying to tie this event to "Oregon Berniebros" ...
1StrongBlackMan 5:45 PM #4

LineLineLineLineLineNew Reply which post did I edit?
Warren DeMontague 5:48 PM #5

Edit History


This post has been edited 3 times. Show all

0.Mon Jan 4, 2016, 05:41 PM - Original version with no edits. (Show)


1.Mon Jan 4, 2016, 05:41 PM - Unexplained edit. (Show)


2.Mon Jan 4, 2016, 05:41 PM - Unexplained edit. (Show)


Perhaps, I was mistaken. But still, you haven't answered the original question: "Where has anyone on DU attempted to tie this to "Oregon Berniebros"? eom"

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
7. No, I edited my second post in the thread, to include a picture of a Sanders rally.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 07:01 PM
Jan 2016

Which is entirely different from what you just tried to assert.

As for the rest of it, you know exactly what I am talking about.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
11. Could be.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 07:16 PM
Jan 2016

My track record for guesses is pretty fucking good, though.

Although not infallible.

Some people even accuse me of being psychic or otherwise using spooky, eldritch, unspeakable means to see that which is unseen.



 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
14. Really? ... I thought other clams could ...
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 07:25 PM
Jan 2016


But I bow to your psychictude or otherwise using spooky, eldritch, unspeakable means to see that which is unseen.
 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
17. That is such a bizarre assertion. That comment can be characterized
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 07:31 PM
Jan 2016

fairly accurately but I'd probably just get a post hidden if I said the obvious.

It's also really odd you posted a pix of Peter Pan.

There is a question of maturity when it comes to some DU'ers posting behavior. That's for sure.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Nice Article From ThinkPr...