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RandySF

(58,776 posts)
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 09:52 PM Jan 2016

Vanilla ISIS Are Already Getting A 93 Percent Discount

The takeover of a federal wildlife refuge in Oregon appears to be more than just a protest of the impending imprisonment of two ranchers who set fires that spread into public lands. The armed demonstrators are led by Ammon Bundy, whose father, Cliven, has refused to acknowledge the legitimacy of the federal Bureau of Land Management to own some public lands or to regulate their use for grazing. But the government is giving the Bundy family a pretty good deal on the grazing rights it refuses to pay for.

In 1993, the bureau declined to renew Cliven Bundy’s grazing permits in parts of Nevada that were reserved for a threatened desert tortoise. But Bundy continued grazing his cattle there anyway and refused to pay any fines or fees. He claimed that the land really belonged to him, so why should he have to pay over $1 million in fines?

Now his son has furthered the fight by seizing the Oregon refuge. In a news conference Sunday, Ammon Bundy explained that he was there in protest of the “unconstitutional transactions of land rights and water rights.”

Those transactions, though, can be a pretty good deal, regardless of their constitutionality. According to a 2015 report by the Center for Biological Diversity, the Bureau of Land Management’s fees for grazing cattle on public land are much lower than the fees charged by private landowners, and they’ve only become cheaper in recent years.


http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-armed-oregon-ranchers-who-want-free-land-are-already-getting-a-93-percent-discount/

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Vanilla ISIS Are Already Getting A 93 Percent Discount (Original Post) RandySF Jan 2016 OP
I lost the link I had earlier... catnhatnh Jan 2016 #1
Wait until the lands are sold to the highest bidder. LakeVermilion Jan 2016 #2

catnhatnh

(8,976 posts)
1. I lost the link I had earlier...
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 10:29 PM
Jan 2016

But the grazing rights nationally bring in around $30 million a year and cost $200 million a year to maintain. And while some will talk about damage to the beef supply if grazing rights were curtailed only 3% of beef is grazed on public lands and this is done by 2% of ranchers....

LakeVermilion

(1,040 posts)
2. Wait until the lands are sold to the highest bidder.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 10:30 PM
Jan 2016

Then they will pay what the market will bear. It only continues the trend of privatizing America. When the land is purchased by out of country speculators the locals and their heirs will regret the changes.

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