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(15,031 posts)Too many interpret that to mean the poor are always looking for "free stuff," when the reality has proved it is the wealthy who have no compunctions about stealing from the poor (and from everyone else, as well).
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)corporatocracy.
"I am of the opinion, on the whole, that the manufacturing aristocracy which is growing up under our eyes is one of the harshest that ever existed in the world; but at the same time it is one of the most confined and least dangerous. Nevertheless, the friends of democracy should keep their eyes anxiously fixed in this direction; for if ever a permanent inequality of conditions and aristocracy again penetrates into the world, it may be predicted that this is the gate by which they will enter."
~ Tocqueville
appalachiablue
(41,127 posts)niyad
(113,262 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
2naSalit
(86,537 posts)Facility Inspector
(615 posts)change this, no matter how mad you get.
Uncle Joe
(58,349 posts)by having our ecosystem destroyed...so there's that.
Thanks for the thread, Playinghardball.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)A new investigation shows the oil company understood the science before it became a public issue and spent millions to promote misinformation
By Shannon Hall
Scientific American on October 26, 2015
Exxon was aware of climate change, as early as 1977, 11 years before it became a public issue, according to a recent investigation from InsideClimate News. This knowledge did not prevent the company (now ExxonMobil and the worlds largest oil and gas company) from spending decades refusing to publicly acknowledge climate change and even promoting climate misinformationan approach many have likened to the lies spread by the tobacco industry regarding the health risks of smoking. Both industries were conscious that their products wouldnt stay profitable once the world understood the risks, so much so that they used the same consultants to develop strategies on how to communicate with the public.
Experts, however, arent terribly surprised. Its never been remotely plausible that they did not understand the science, says Naomi Oreskes, a history of science professor at Harvard University. But as it turns out, Exxon didnt just understand the science, the company actively engaged with it. In the 1970s and 1980s it employed top scientists to look into the issue and launched its own ambitious research program that empirically sampled carbon dioxide and built rigorous climate models. Exxon even spent more than $1 million on a tanker project that would tackle how much CO2 is absorbed by the oceans. It was one of the biggest scientific questions of the time, meaning that Exxon was truly conducting unprecedented research.
In their eight-month-long investigation, reporters at InsideClimate News interviewed former Exxon employees, scientists and federal officials and analyzed hundreds of pages of internal documents. They found that the companys knowledge of climate change dates back to July 1977, when its senior scientist James Black delivered a sobering message on the topic. In the first place, there is general scientific agreement that the most likely manner in which mankind is influencing the global climate is through carbon dioxide release from the burning of fossil fuels," Black told Exxons management committee. A year later he warned Exxon that doubling CO2 gases in the atmosphere would increase average global temperatures by two or three degreesa number that is consistent with the scientific consensus today. He continued to warn that present thinking holds that man has a time window of five to 10 years before the need for hard decisions regarding changes in energy strategies might become critical." In other words, Exxon needed to act.
But ExxonMobil disagrees that any of its early statements were so stark, let alone conclusive at all. We didnt reach those conclusions, nor did we try to bury it like they suggest, ExxonMobil spokesperson Allan Jeffers tells Scientific American. The thing that shocks me the most is that weve been saying this for years, that we have been involved in climate research. These guys go down and pull some documents that we made available publicly in the archives and portray them as some kind of bombshell whistle-blower exposé because of the loaded language and the selective use of materials.
One thing is certain: in June 1988, when NASA scientist James Hansen told a congressional hearing that the planet was already warming, Exxon remained publicly convinced that the science was still controversial. Furthermore, experts agree that Exxon became a leader in campaigns of confusion. By 1989 the company had helped create the Global Climate Coalition (disbanded in 2002) to question the scientific basis for concern about climate change. It also helped to prevent the U.S. from signing the international treaty on climate known as the Kyoto Protocol in 1998 to control greenhouse gases. Exxons tactic not only worked on the U.S. but also stopped other countries, such as China and India, from signing the treaty. At that point, a lot of things unraveled, Oreskes says.
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http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-climate-change-almost-40-years-ago/
PS: Meanwhile, the real Head Start got defunded by the likes of Ronald McReagan and Friends.
Uncle Joe
(58,349 posts)I never thought for a minute, that the fossil fuel industry couldn't or didn't know better, they have their own scientists and carbon dioxide was first considered to be a greenhouse gas in the 19th century.
The history of the scientific discovery of climate change began in the early 19th century when ice ages and other natural changes in paleoclimate were first suspected and the natural greenhouse effect first identified. In the late 19th century, scientists first argued that human emissions of greenhouse gases could change the climate. Many other theories of climate change were advanced, involving forces from volcanism to solar variation. In the 1960s, the warming effect of carbon dioxide gas became increasingly convincing, although some scientists also pointed out that human activities, in the form of atmospheric aerosols (e.g., "pollution" , could have cooling effects as well. During the 1970s, scientific opinion increasingly favored the warming viewpoint. By the 1990s, as a result of improving fidelity of computer models and observational work confirming the Milankovitch theory of the ice ages, a consensus position formed: greenhouse gases were deeply involved in most climate changes, and human emissions were bringing serious global warming.
Since the 1990s, scientific research on climate change has included multiple disciplines and has expanded, significantly increasing our understanding of causal relations, links with historic data and ability to model climate change numerically. The most recent work has been summarized in the Assessment Reports by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. Climate change is a significant and lasting change in the statistical distribution of weather patterns over periods ranging from decades to millions of years. It may be a change in average weather conditions, or in the distribution of weather around the average conditions (i.e., more or fewer extreme weather events). Climate change is caused by factors that include oceanic processes (such as oceanic circulation), biotic processes, variations in solar radiation received by Earth, plate tectonics and volcanic eruptions, and human-induced alterations of the natural world; these latter effects are currently causing global warming, and "climate change" is often used to describe human-specific impacts.
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In 1896 Svante Arrhenius calculated the effect of a doubling atmospheric carbon dioxide to be an increase in surface temperatures of 5-6 degrees Celsius.
A Swedish scientist, Svante Arrhenius, used Langley's observations of increased infrared absorption where Moon rays pass through the atmosphere at a low angle, encountering more carbon dioxide (CO2), to estimate an atmospheric cooling effect from a future decrease of CO2. He realized that the cooler atmosphere would hold less water vapor (another greenhouse gas) and calculated the additional cooling effect. He also realized the cooling would increase snow and ice cover at high latitudes, making the planet reflect more sunlight and thus further cool down, as James Croll had hypothesized. Overall Arrhenius calculated that cutting CO2 in half would suffice to produce an ice age. He further calculated that a doubling of atmospheric CO2 would give a total warming of 5-6 degrees Celsius.
Further, Arrhenius colleague Professor Arvid Högbom, who was quoted in length in Arrhenius 1896 study On the Influence of Carbonic Acid in the Air upon the Temperature of the Earth[14] had been attempting to quantify natural sources of emissions of CO2 for purposes of understanding the global carbon cycle. Högbom found that estimated carbon production from industrial sources in the 1890s (mainly coal burning) was comparable with the natural sources.[15] Arrhenius saw that this human emission of carbon would eventually lead to warming. However, because of the relatively low rate of CO2 production in 1896, Arrhenius thought the warming would take thousands of years, and he expected it would be beneficial to humanity.[15][16]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_climate_change_science
WillyT
(72,631 posts)libodem
(19,288 posts)Corporate takers are destroying our country.
Socialism is fine for them but they don't want us to get any of "their" profits. They'll do anything to keep from paying taxes.
Francis Booth
(162 posts)as well as the presidency. The current system is so irreparably broken that no one branch can change things on its own. I'm not very hopeful.
WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)Francis Booth
(162 posts)to prohibit legislators leaving office only to then lobby for the industries they were formerly regulating. Our republic has become utterly corrupted by the massive inflow of cash into congress. They're not doing the peoples business anymore - just following orders. Witness congresses inability to move on gun control, even after the Sandy Hook massacre, when public support for new gun restrictions was in the 90% range.
Of course, this would require that Citizens United be overturned, and that enough ethical legislators would get on board.
See why I'm not hopeful?
WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)I'm not hopeful either.
mountain grammy
(26,619 posts)OBAMA'S GONNA TAKE MY GUNZZZZ
corporate welfare
Duval
(4,280 posts)Paper Roses
(7,473 posts)Sometimes I think these very old bones will be glad to pack it in. I worry all the time about the state of everything. My family, my country, my personal life. Old or young, most of us are not capable of absorbing the impact of the current state of affairs in our country. OK, if you are rich, maybe you can find a way to cope, fork out the cash for everything, that will make it better, I guess.
For the rest of us, it is a nightmare the likes of which we have not seen and about which we cannot cope.
Hotler
(11,416 posts)WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)King_Klonopin
(1,306 posts)Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)Consider also that they produce a dirty, unhealthy product that can be replaced in just a matter of years, and that for decades the officers of those corporations have resorted to lies, obfuscation and bribery to keep those corporations on life support.
That money would be put to better use building a renewable energy industry. If the oil and coal companies want to stay relevant, they can invest in solar and wind.
lame54
(35,284 posts)once your accountant hits zero - that should be it
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)cigsandcoffee
(2,300 posts)A lot more than Apple, even.
NoMoreRepugs
(9,412 posts)BHO talked about changing a number of things - but when push came to shove the great majority of us that elected him stood back and watched rather than participate - anyone really think it's going to be any different should we be fortunate enough to elect Bernie or HRC?
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Get...Out...The...Vote!
Scalded Nun
(1,236 posts)The secondary problem is that the electorate must remain ever vigilant. Unfortunately, the electorate (as a whole) chooses to remain lazy and basically uninformed. Corporations, the rich, MSM, etc. know this and work the system to their advantage. Until we (the people) do something about this it will only get worse. We still have the power of the vote, at least for the present. Make no mistake, if they can they will do all possible to minimize the impact of the electorate as well. They started that a while back.
And fixing this will not happen overnight. In the land of instant gratification and the expectation of instant results the challenge is maintaining a focus.
pansypoo53219
(20,972 posts)shhh, don't look.
Shandris
(3,447 posts)There's a thought for a 'world government' you never see floated. Instead of letting our richest executives pick our politicians for us (and then have them paraded in front of us by the media, as they remove whomever they'd like at will, at least until this year), or relying on 'world leaders' (is the world in a wonderful state now? Oh, it isn't? Then I guess we've seen the success rate of their 'leadership' so far, neh?), why not take a citizen's list from every nation on earth, divide them into equal numbers of regions, and send in delegates from the citizenry. Tens of thousands of them, to one place, to discuss a 'world government'.
I might be able to get behind the idea then.
Seemed a good enough place to toss out another one of my never-gunna-happen scenarios, at least. Of course we're sick of it, Playinghardball. It's just we have no ability to change it.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)lark
(23,091 posts)Way too many takeaways from the poor. Our government has it totally ass backward.
Magleetis
(1,260 posts)IMHO it is going to take something really big to change it.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)It used to be called graft. Now it's just campaign contributions.
N_E_1 for Tennis
(9,719 posts)Time to change the paradigm.
Bernie has awakened the beast in most of us. Time for us to mandate changes.
Even if Bernie Sanders does not win, his message cannot be stopped.
It is up to us.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)Initech
(100,063 posts)Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)"Drill, baby, drill" became the mantra of the GOP over 8 years ago, and no one in Congress has the guts to fight against it!!
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)Even more so, they are dependent on it. Socialism for themselves and the most backwards people and politicians they can help get elected.
Rugged capitalism for those left to survive in whatever wasteland they are bequeathing us all.
hellraiser69
(49 posts)stirred up about welfare, food stamps and immigrants and they don't notice the real problem.
Sad part is how well it works.