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Dolce & Gabanna Releases Its First-Ever Hijab Collection (Original Post) IcyPeas Jan 2016 OP
The day men start wearing them is the day that I begin to believe they are not sexist. Squinch Jan 2016 #1
Hijabs and Keffiya are survival necessities for men and women in the desert. leveymg Jan 2016 #5
how about when not in the desert Skittles Jan 2016 #7
Not in my neighborhood. In my neighborhood, only women wear them. Squinch Jan 2016 #8
In mine too and I live in northern VA. CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #26
Yep. Totally. linuxman Jan 2016 #9
Most Muslims don't live in "the Desert" maxsolomon Jan 2016 #10
Not anymore, but that's where headgear got its start. In India, the turbin is similar. leveymg Jan 2016 #12
are you trying to argue that there is NO sexism associated with the hijab? maxsolomon Jan 2016 #22
Headgear is useful in all sorts of climates, for men and women leveymg Jan 2016 #49
Exhibit B to the argument why gender controversies on DU closeupready Jan 2016 #14
+1000 smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #6
My exact reaction. CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #25
Totally agree. CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #24
D & G.... katsy Jan 2016 #2
Those are very nice looking mwrguy Jan 2016 #3
a nice black burkha in the summer sun is the classiest though maxsolomon Jan 2016 #11
Especially when not wearing one ends with you getting your head lopped off. name not needed Jan 2016 #17
do you wear them? snooper2 Jan 2016 #59
no, but I won't prevent anyone else from choosing to do so mwrguy Jan 2016 #61
At least these adverts aren't fetishizing abuse and rape Warpy Jan 2016 #4
Hijab is all about respect for women mwrguy Jan 2016 #56
How so? oberliner Jan 2016 #57
many women say they choose to wear hijab out of self respect mwrguy Jan 2016 #60
Fair enough oberliner Jan 2016 #62
the vast majority do so by choice mwrguy Jan 2016 #63
Is there a punishment for not wearing one in Muslim majority countries? oberliner Jan 2016 #64
Depends on the country, of course Warpy Jan 2016 #65
Are you sure it is not imposed on Palestinian women/girls in Gaza? oberliner Jan 2016 #66
Please note she had the expectation of returning to school the same way she left for vacation Warpy Jan 2016 #67
True oberliner Jan 2016 #68
That makes no sense. How is something the woman is required to wear a sign of respect for her? Coventina Jan 2016 #58
Gross. randome Jan 2016 #13
hide one's face? that's what make-up is for lol nt msongs Jan 2016 #15
These are actually pretty chic-looking. romanic Jan 2016 #16
Now an Indian Sari, that can be fashionable and pretty. smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #39
You can work in a sari but you can't run in it Warpy Jan 2016 #45
Not impressed. Now do it with Burkas and I will be! flamingdem Jan 2016 #18
Many non-Muslim women are wearing a hijab these days mwrguy Jan 2016 #19
No, many non Muslim women are not wearing a hijab these days. Squinch Jan 2016 #20
No they're fucking not. name not needed Jan 2016 #21
BS mwrguy Jan 2016 #23
Oh my god! It's sweeping the nation! smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #36
Is the last one of the Christian teacher who was fired in Illinois ? Person 2713 Jan 2016 #52
Yes it is, and she's being persecuted for it mwrguy Jan 2016 #53
WTF? Where do you live? smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #28
look mwrguy Jan 2016 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author 840high Jan 2016 #50
Would any Woman, who grew up not being required to wear one, all of a sudden decide as an randys1 Jan 2016 #27
The guy above you has pictures GummyBearz Jan 2016 #31
I asked a question that has nothing to do with what you just said randys1 Jan 2016 #32
Now that I re-read it I agree GummyBearz Jan 2016 #35
No, actually it was quite relevant, but when you stalk someone, like you do me, I can randys1 Jan 2016 #37
I stalk? GummyBearz Jan 2016 #41
It is less stalking of a person and more of a viewpoint, my liberal viewpoint does bring out randys1 Jan 2016 #42
So does mine. eom GummyBearz Jan 2016 #43
if she decides to convert she might. DesertFlower Jan 2016 #33
But she is succumbing to the requirement, would any human being choose this if not forced randys1 Jan 2016 #34
not all muslim women wear it. DesertFlower Jan 2016 #38
No, we gave up hats & doilies back in the 60s. dmr Jan 2016 #44
i grew up catholic and remember wearing hats DesertFlower Jan 2016 #46
I'd strain my neck trying to see if there was a real body in there. dmr Jan 2016 #48
Converted Jews wear Yamulkes . Why would Monks in Asia shave their heads? Person 2713 Jan 2016 #54
How beautiful !!! philosslayer Jan 2016 #30
I see more and more all over the US mwrguy Jan 2016 #55
That model has beautiful hands. dmr Jan 2016 #40
I don't give D&G the time of day since their anti-gay stance was made public. Coventina Jan 2016 #47
Yep. 840high Jan 2016 #51

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
1. The day men start wearing them is the day that I begin to believe they are not sexist.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 06:35 PM
Jan 2016

And lest someone think I am being anti-Muslim, none of these coverings are required by the Muslim faith. They are all cultural requirements by men of women.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
5. Hijabs and Keffiya are survival necessities for men and women in the desert.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 07:02 PM
Jan 2016

The hijab is just the female version of desert head gear. Everyone wears them.

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
8. Not in my neighborhood. In my neighborhood, only women wear them.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 07:08 PM
Jan 2016

And just for clarity, I live in New York where there are very few deserts.

 

linuxman

(2,337 posts)
9. Yep. Totally.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 07:09 PM
Jan 2016

That's why they are worn in England and the US. Our vast and all encompassing deserts. The great deserting of the mid 20th century brought about their near compulsory reemergence in Egypt and Afghanistan at the time.

Everyone wears them?

Please visit the middle east some day.


maxsolomon

(33,310 posts)
10. Most Muslims don't live in "the Desert"
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 07:11 PM
Jan 2016

Tehran is not the Desert. Indonesia is not the Desert. Albania & Kosovo are not the Desert. Northern Europe is not the Desert.

Further, most Muslim men do not wear Keffiyah in their daily lives. In SA, sure.

Its not survival gear, unless you consider avoiding things like Basiji beatings survival.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
12. Not anymore, but that's where headgear got its start. In India, the turbin is similar.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 07:14 PM
Jan 2016

If it's really hot, people wear loose fitting layered hats.

maxsolomon

(33,310 posts)
22. are you trying to argue that there is NO sexism associated with the hijab?
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 07:50 PM
Jan 2016

headgear is useful in all kinds of climates.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
49. Headgear is useful in all sorts of climates, for men and women
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 09:00 PM
Jan 2016

That's the origins of this. It's a problem when clothing isn't optional.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
14. Exhibit B to the argument why gender controversies on DU
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 07:27 PM
Jan 2016

go nowhere, but thanks for trying.

(I also had to learn this the hard way, FWIW.)

katsy

(4,246 posts)
2. D & G....
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 06:54 PM
Jan 2016

Aren't they the ones that came out against gay marriage?

Marriage equality no but mysogyny okay? Fuck D & G.

Warpy

(111,245 posts)
4. At least these adverts aren't fetishizing abuse and rape
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 06:55 PM
Jan 2016

I wish they'd treat non Muslim women with that kind of respect.

mwrguy

(3,245 posts)
60. many women say they choose to wear hijab out of self respect
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 12:25 PM
Jan 2016

If that is how they feel, then who are we to tell them that they are wrong?



 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
62. Fair enough
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 01:29 PM
Jan 2016

Do you think most women who wear it, do so by choice?

Do you think there are any/many women who do so by force or coercion?

mwrguy

(3,245 posts)
63. the vast majority do so by choice
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 01:31 PM
Jan 2016

Pick any activity and you can find someone somewhere who has been forced to do it.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
64. Is there a punishment for not wearing one in Muslim majority countries?
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 02:07 PM
Jan 2016

Or can Muslim women freely choose not to wear one without consequence.

Warpy

(111,245 posts)
65. Depends on the country, of course
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 05:37 PM
Jan 2016

Palestinian Arab women choose for themselves. In Saudi Arabia, they are beaten for showing any hair or skin below the chin.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
66. Are you sure it is not imposed on Palestinian women/girls in Gaza?
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 06:43 PM
Jan 2016

Gaza teenager banned from school for refusing to wear a hijab

While more than one million students in Gaza were getting ready for school, Marah Nashwan, 16, was brewing tea. For the last 10 days, Marah has been turned away from her school in Gaza City because she refuses to wear a hijab.

Marah had tears in her eyes as she told IBTimes UK how her principal at the Ahmad Shawki High School for Girls refused to allow her to return to school with her head uncovered. Marah said she was humiliated when returning to school from the three month summer break at the end of August.

"I was scolded and insulted by the school principal in front of everyone, my friends and my classmates. I was so excited to see them again after our vacation," she said. "My happiness was stolen with a big part of my dignity. The hijab is not the biggest issue, my loss of dignity is more important and I have the right to reclaim it."

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/gaza-teenager-banned-school-refusing-wear-hijab-1518573

Warpy

(111,245 posts)
67. Please note she had the expectation of returning to school the same way she left for vacation
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 06:59 PM
Jan 2016

and that's without a hijab. Gaza might be radicalizing, they've certainly had enough provocation for it. Radicals always pick on women first as low hanging fruit.

Coventina

(27,101 posts)
58. That makes no sense. How is something the woman is required to wear a sign of respect for her?
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 12:18 PM
Jan 2016

If it were about respect FOR women, it would be something MEN wore.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
13. Gross.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 07:22 PM
Jan 2016

I agree with others who point out these are typically symbols of oppression. Everyone should have the choice of what to wear but I will never celebrate nor condone attempts to hide one's face, which is the primary purpose of apparel like this.
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The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"
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romanic

(2,841 posts)
16. These are actually pretty chic-looking.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 07:34 PM
Jan 2016

I honestly don't think hijabs are a bad thing, obviously the stupid rule of these women having to wear it for their faith is a problem, but not the actual hijab accessory itself.

Warpy

(111,245 posts)
45. You can work in a sari but you can't run in it
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 08:45 PM
Jan 2016

Anything that hobbles a woman is a bad idea. These head scarves don't hobble anyone. The rest of the outfits, especially the shoes, not so much.

Head scarves and those worn as hijabs are great on bad hair days.

mwrguy

(3,245 posts)
23. BS
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 08:19 PM
Jan 2016

I make no excuses for violent radicals, and I have seen many western women wear the hijab to support their Muslim sisters.



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smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
36. Oh my god! It's sweeping the nation!
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 08:36 PM
Jan 2016

Ladies! Lets all go out and get our designer Hijabs and Burkha's now! We'll be sooooo fashion forward!

Person 2713

(3,263 posts)
52. Is the last one of the Christian teacher who was fired in Illinois ?
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 10:17 PM
Jan 2016

Yes Some Christian non Muslim has included wearing the hijab in support

heres another fashion that combined with the hijab
http://www.boredpanda.com/muslim-lolita-hijab-japanese-fashion-anime/

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
28. WTF? Where do you live?
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 08:25 PM
Jan 2016

I live in a major city and I don't know ONE person who has ever thought about wearing something like this.

mwrguy

(3,245 posts)
29. look
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 08:27 PM
Jan 2016


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Response to mwrguy (Reply #19)

randys1

(16,286 posts)
27. Would any Woman, who grew up not being required to wear one, all of a sudden decide as an
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 08:24 PM
Jan 2016

adult they wanted to?

Would that EVER happen?

If not then I am right that religion sucks

 

GummyBearz

(2,931 posts)
31. The guy above you has pictures
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 08:30 PM
Jan 2016

Including our next democratic candidate wearing them.... you might want to think about sending a reply to him

 

GummyBearz

(2,931 posts)
35. Now that I re-read it I agree
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 08:35 PM
Jan 2016

You asked a question that really has nothing to do with anything. Carry on

randys1

(16,286 posts)
37. No, actually it was quite relevant, but when you stalk someone, like you do me, I can
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 08:37 PM
Jan 2016

see why you would not have noticed

I dont feel special, dont worry, I am not the only one you harass

 

GummyBearz

(2,931 posts)
41. I stalk?
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 08:41 PM
Jan 2016

Get over yourself. I haven't posted much in the last 1.5 years. I do post in disagreement with many people. And many people post in disagreement with me. I don't accuse them of stalking me though.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
42. It is less stalking of a person and more of a viewpoint, my liberal viewpoint does bring out
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 08:42 PM
Jan 2016

anger in some

DesertFlower

(11,649 posts)
33. if she decides to convert she might.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 08:32 PM
Jan 2016

remember ayesha? she used to post here. she converted when she was an adult. don't know if she wears full hijab but she does wear the headscarf.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
34. But she is succumbing to the requirement, would any human being choose this if not forced
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 08:34 PM
Jan 2016

on them, I say no.

Not one

i.e. if you could do the religion without the Hijab, you would do it without the Hijab. always

or you would do it if and when you wanted to, etc.

CAtholics have silly shit they wear too, so I am not picking on Muslims by any means

dmr

(28,347 posts)
44. No, we gave up hats & doilies back in the 60s.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 08:44 PM
Jan 2016

I had a several pretty little doilies my aunt made for me.

DesertFlower

(11,649 posts)
46. i grew up catholic and remember wearing hats
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 08:49 PM
Jan 2016

for church. in the winter many of us wore headscarfs -- called kerchiefs kept our head, ears and necks warm.

how about the nuns? talk about hijab.

dmr

(28,347 posts)
48. I'd strain my neck trying to see if there was a real body in there.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 09:00 PM
Jan 2016

Good night Mary, I was a stupid kid.
My son just asked why I'm laughing. I said, "doilies & nuns." He'd never understand.

Those were the days.

Edit to add: I had pretty little hats, knitted hats, kerchiefs, or as Aunt Hattie called them babooshkas. Loved Aunt Hattie.

dmr

(28,347 posts)
40. That model has beautiful hands.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 08:40 PM
Jan 2016

The clothing is very beautiful. There's something about lace ...

I've often wondered what they go through during menopause. Hot flashes can be awful and very wet. Without allowing a breeze, or just plain air to circulate around my head & neck, oh, boy, I'd suffer heat stroke for sure.

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