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Ted Cruz produces mothers birth certificate after both parents found on Canadian voter listNewsweek, the Raw Story
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/ted-cruz-produces-mothers-birth-certificate-after-both-parents-found-on-canadian-voter-list/
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Grayson has also challenged the idea that Cruz's mother was a U.S. citizen at the time of his birth, in 1970. An earlier report published by Breitbart showed that both of Cruz's parents were listed on a Canadian federal voter list from 1974. Since only Canadian citizens are permitted to vote in federal elections there, the presence of Cruz's parents' names on the list raises the possibility that they may have been Canadian citizens at one time.
And because becoming a Canadian citizen requires an oath of allegianceand Section 349 of the U.S. Immigration and Nationality Act stipulates that American citizens who swear allegiance to another country may lose their American citizenshipit seems possible that Cruz's mother may have lost her American citizenship. This would mean that Cruz was not a U.S. citizen at the time of his birth and is therefore ineligible to become president.
However, Diane Benson, a spokeswoman for Elections Canada, tells Newsweek that the presence of a person's name on a voter roll does not necessarily mean that he or she was legally allowed to vote. It was not immediately clear if that rule was the same in 1974, when Cruz's mother's name appeared on the list.
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applegrove
(118,011 posts)Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)drray23
(7,587 posts)is if it turns out both parents were canadians. That would make Ted Cruz an Illegal immigrant since he would not have gained citizenship at all.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)dogman
(6,073 posts)Seems reasonable according to his Party.
surrealAmerican
(11,339 posts)... his mother committed voter fraud - in Canada.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Is it voter fraud when other US citizens vote in foreign elections?
Not all countries require citizenship as a condition of voting.
surrealAmerican
(11,339 posts)... Canada does require citizenship to vote.
You're right that not all countries do.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Until a few months ago Ted was also a Canadian citizen.
Israel also limits its voting to citizens. Many US citizens vote in Israel's elections.
surrealAmerican
(11,339 posts)It would be a violation of Canadian law.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)IF only the Donald was too...
TexasProgresive
(12,148 posts)But I don't judge.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Senator office. He also renounced his Canadian citizenship, the boy dont have a country.
malaise
(267,799 posts)is coming back to haunt them.
We have a proverb here - same knife stick sheep stick goat!!!
I'm freaking lovin' it. Pass me some chocolates please
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)could be a whole truckload...
malaise
(267,799 posts)earthside
(6,960 posts)The mother's birth certificate doesn't necessarily get him off the hook.
The parent's name on the Canadian voter rolls does indicate that more investigation is needed.
At the least, this could raise some doubts about Cruz in Iowa and New Hampshire -- considering the popularity of anti-immigration policies and 'birtherism' in the Repuglican Party, this makes Cruz look very hypocritical at the very least.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)In what way does voting in another countries elections affect one's status as a US citizen?
earthside
(6,960 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Important point of law right there. She may have lost citizenship, yet the United States government took no assertive steps to revoke her citizenship, ergo, she did not lose her citizenship.
There is a HUGE legal difference between "may" and "shall".
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)The Lakers beat the Supersonics.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)did not lose her citizenship before your ass was born.
Ilsa
(61,675 posts)Citizenship at the time of his birth needs to be rxplored and considered in determining whether he is a US citizen. Of course, then someone told me we should only consider Cruz's Canadian citizenship being renounced just two years ago.
ryan_cats
(2,061 posts)Curious that the outrage when it was against the President turns to smug gloating when it is against the other side. It does matter whose ox is being gored.
I guess integrity is fine when it costs nothing.
6000eliot
(5,643 posts)Is it gloating or schadenfreude? Who cares? I'm in!
ryan_cats
(2,061 posts)Aren't we supposed to be better than them? Isn't that the point?
tazkcmo
(7,286 posts)99% of the time. Times like this, when they're bullshit obstruction, distractions and questioning our President's citizenship, nationality and integrity on the basis of his skin color come back to hit them square in the face make up the 1% of the time I'm I'm even happier to be just as mean spirited as them.
applegrove
(118,011 posts)when it was directed at the President. It is a tactic being used by chaotic Trump against Cruz. Based on facts. Not racism. Not lies. It has in common that they are both attempts by Trump to isolate his target from the base. Cruz tried to get out in front of it. Trump is a heat seeking missile. No way Obama could get out in front of a fiction. There are not enough words in the universe to get out in front of all the potential made up stories a fabulous like Trump could potentially come up with. Nothing to do with integrity. Just the facts. This is in fact a weakness of Cruz.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)I'm gonna ask you to produce one long form post that hasn't been some sort of "We Dems are soooo mean!" concern trolling real soon.
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)Obama was born in the united States, unless you believe he was actually born in Kenya.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)In Obama's case there simply was no such evidence of foreign birth.
In Cruz's case, this Canadian voter roll is something that at least merits further inquiry. My guess is that it won't pan out. Maybe Cruz's parents thought they were filling out a census form and didn't realize that it included automatic voter registration. Maybe a Canadian government employee made a mistake. Odds are that there's an explanation that doesn't disqualify Cruz, but to inquire about the explanation is vasty different from the totally spurious birther arguments raised about Obama.
malaise
(267,799 posts)and the hacks in the media
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)I want to see Ted Cruz' birth certificate. And how does someone end up on a Canadian federal voter registration lits if they did not do anything to get on the list.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)INA: ACT 349 - LOSS OF NATIONALITY BY NATIVE-BORN OR NATURALIZED CITIZEN
Sec. 349. [8 U.S.C. 1481]
(a) A person who is a national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality-
(1) obtaining naturalization in a foreign state upon his own application or upon an application filed by a duly authorized agent, after having attained the age of eighteen years; or
(2) taking an oath or making an affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after having attained the age of eighteen years
Merely becoming a naturalised citizen of another country is not sufficient in itself to extinguish US citizenship. Intent to relinquish US citizenship is a requirement. (There are a significant number of dual US-Israeli citizens, for instance, who have fulfilled their requirement of Israeli military service, yet remain US citizens.) This nonsense isn't any better than the Obama birtherism. As long as Cruz's mother was a US citizen at the time of his birth, Cruz himself is a US citizen.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)You write, "As long as Cruz's mother was a US citizen at the time of his birth, Cruz himself is a US citizen." That's not so. Given the law in effect at the time, Cruz obtained citizenship at birth only if his mother was then a citizen AND she had met certain residency requirements.
One lacuna in the natural-born citizen provision of the Constitution is that it doesn't set forth a procedure for making the determination, including the allocation of the burden of proof. Cruz's mother had probably lived in the U.S. enough to qualify, but can Cruz prove it? Does his mother still have her rent receipts and utility bills from the 1960s? Does Cruz have to prove it, or does a challenger have to prove that his mother had actually run off to Paris and lived there until moving to Canada?
There's really no basis for doubting that she met the residency requirements, which is why I call this a slight qualification. Still, it's necessary for a completely accurate statement of the law that was then in effect.
Incidentally, Obama's mother, who was much younger than Cruz's mother, clearly did not meet the residency requirements. That's why the whole Kenyan birth myth was attractive to the right. If Obama, like Cruz, had been born abroad, then he would not have been a citizen at birth. IOW, Obama's eligibility rests on the fact that he was born in the United States, making his mother's history immaterial.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)Those residency requirements?
In the case of a child born to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent, the U.S. citizen parent now had only to be physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions prior to the child's birth for 10 years, at least 5 of which were after the age of 14.
Cruz's mother pretty clearly meets those residency requirements (as did Obama's mother; the requirement for a person born in the USA, as Obama was, is "US citizen parent present in the US for one year prior to birth" .
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)A person born in the USA, as Obama was, is ipso facto a citizen under the Fourteenth Amendment, regardless of whether either parent was a citizen (let alone whether either had met a residency requirement). The only exception is children born to diplomats who have diplomatic immunity. What's the context of the language you quote about a citizen parent being present for one year? I don't understand the circumstances under which that would be a material fact.
My point was that Obama's mother did not meet the residency requirements for transmitting citizenship to a child born abroad. That's why the birthers made such a thing about alleging Kenyan birth. (A few of them went so far as to say that Obama, even if born in Hawaii, wasn't eligible because his father was not a citizen. That's even more whacked-out than the "mainstream" birther position, that challenged his Hawaiian birth certificate on the basis of zero evidence.)
Cruz really is different because he has no equivalent of Obama's birth certificate, i.e., the single document that establishes his eligibility. Because it's not disputed that he was born abroad and that his father was not then a citizen, the question of his mother's residency history arises. She "pretty clearly" meets the requirements but it's not quite as clear as was Obama's evidence. She has no "certificate of residency in the United States" to prove that she was here. The sensible basis for considering Cruz eligible arises from the absence of evidence: There's no good-faith reason to believe that she spent a lot of time outside the United States after turning 14.