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applegrove

(118,595 posts)
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 01:05 AM Jan 2016

Do we actually know when Ted Cruz got his US citizenship?

His birth certificate was from Canada we know. But how old was he when he did the American citizenship paperwork? Was he 4 like when he moved to the US? Was he a baby? Because it would not have been automatic.

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elleng

(130,857 posts)
1. Dunno. One partial discussion:
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 01:11 AM
Jan 2016

'Details have been emerging which highly suggest that both Ted Cruz's parents had become Canadian citizens prior to his birth. According to past public statements made by his father, legal opinions and documentation currently available, Rafael (Ted) Cruz was likely born of 2 Canadian citizens in Calgary back in December of 1970.

Has Ted Cruz ever become a US citizen?

Under public pressure regarding a possible run for President of the United States, Cruz did release his Canadian certificate of birth. Since the certificate only lists his parents place of birth and not their citizenship status, it has just merely been assumed that his mother retained her US citizenship since her birth. It was not until May of 2014 that Senator Cruz filed the legal paperwork necessary to officially renounce his Canadian citizenship which was automatic at birth.

According to a documented timeline of the Cruz' Family citizenship status and various other legal experts in Canada, Senator Ted Cruz was born a citizen of Canada at birth and there is no denying that legal fact. This timeline provides a summary of known citizenship status of his father, mother and himself presented in chronological order of events.

A recent FOIA request to obtain a copy of his US naturalization papers, if they exist, was denied stating that the information would have to be requested by Rafael (Ted) Cruz himself. With the now highly likely true circumstances of his birth, this US Senator from Texas should be required to show proof that he ever became a citizen of the United States in order to be allowed to retain his seat in congress. Without this documentation of naturalization, which would be further proof to automatically disqualify him from running for President, he can in no way continue to hold a seat in the US Senate as one must at least have become a US citizen through naturalization to be eligible to hold the office.

If Senator Ted Cruz was only a citizen of Canada and has since renounced that citizenship, is he a man without a country and unlawfully holding a US Senate seat?'

http://www.examiner.com/article/ted-cruz-must-show-naturalization-papers-to-keep-his-us-senate-seat

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
8. "it has just merely been assumed that his mother retained her US citizenship" Well yes, of course.
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 10:40 AM
Jan 2016

As with everyone born in the United States. And it is a valid assumption. It is up to the denialists to produce evidence otherwise. And this is very specific evidence which would be quite easy to find. Here is how a person renounces their citizenship:
A person wishing to renounce his or her U.S. citizenship must voluntarily and with intent to relinquish U.S. citizenship:

1) appear in person before a U.S. consular or diplomatic officer,
2)in a foreign country (normally at a U.S. Embassy or Consulate); and
3)sign an oath of renunciation.

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal-considerations/us-citizenship-laws-policies/renunciation-of-citizenship.html

MADem

(135,425 posts)
3. NO. The phrase "natural born" has never been defined. It's time to do that if he continues
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 05:36 AM
Jan 2016

in the race.

The Founding Fathers had a clear idea what "natural born" meant. And it didn't mean being born in Canada of parents who very well may have acquired Canadian citizenship. If the Supremes start digging down, they might define "natural born" in a far more restrictive fashion.

I think it's an issue that should be resolved.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,295 posts)
7. YES. There is a ridiculous discussion about whether 'natural born' means 'born in the country'
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 10:24 AM
Jan 2016

but everyone admits that he was a US citizen from birth, because his mother was a US citizen. There are some people who claim, without a good reason, that he, and other children born to US citizens outside the USA, are 'naturalized at birth', because they claim 'natural born' has to mean 'born in the country'.

sinkingfeeling

(51,444 posts)
6. The moment he took his first breath. Unless there is
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 10:11 AM
Jan 2016

documents proving his mother renounced her American citizenship.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
9. I'm going to go with the majority here and say since his mother was an American Citizen...
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 10:42 AM
Jan 2016

and so on and so forth.

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