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Kurska

(5,739 posts)
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 06:30 AM Jan 2016

MIGRANT SEX ATTACK 'COVER-UP': Welcome party for Cologne refugees turned into mass groping

"Today the council official responsible for the integration of refugees in the Cologne region admitted organisers knew about the sex attacks at the event but did not want to make a fuss.

She also shockingly said she "cannot remember" whether she advised the women who were attacked to go to the police, but added she felt the event's student organisers "had learned from the situation".

The appalling incident, on November 7, 2015, only became known of at all because one of the victims bravely decided to go to the police in the aftermath of the Cologne sex attacks.

She told the city's Express newspaper how she and her friend were surrounded by migrants at the party, which was held on a boat, and were repeatedly groped despite asking the men to stop.

She said: "I guess there were about 100 to 150 asylum seeker men there. I'd only been there a few minutes, and I got the first hand on my breast."

Soon the fondling increased even further until there were "up to four men were pressing themselves on me and my friend at the same time", according to the victim.

She said one migrant then grabbed her and kissed her, at which point she managed to break free and run off with another friend.

The Cologne police force today furiously demanded to know why it was not alerted to the crimes by the organisers, even though the situation was so bad they had to make repeated pleas to the migrant men to stop sexually harassing young women. "


No punishment no prosecutions. The rights of women are clearly placed second before the need to protect certain political narratives.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/634815/Cologne-attacks-fury-migrant-sex-cover-up-refugee-event-groping-Germany

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MIGRANT SEX ATTACK 'COVER-UP': Welcome party for Cologne refugees turned into mass groping (Original Post) Kurska Jan 2016 OP
No punishment really? Bad Dog Jan 2016 #1
This isn't the same incident. Kurska Jan 2016 #2
The police chief in Cologne has been sacked regardless. Bad Dog Jan 2016 #9
Whose condemning all Muslims? Kurska Jan 2016 #11
I posted that Bad Dog Jan 2016 #13
How bout the politicians who covered it up? Kurska Jan 2016 #14
Unlike you Bad Dog Jan 2016 #15
Damn liberals and their 'political correctness'! Listen to Donald! Bar and deport all Muslims! pampango Jan 2016 #3
Yeah why don't we start punishing the criminals Kurska Jan 2016 #4
They have started "punishing the criminals" and you know that. If you think Trump, Orban, Le Pen and pampango Jan 2016 #5
Maybe we can get a fair and just system that puts the safety of people above the needs of polticians Kurska Jan 2016 #6
Agreed on the need for a fair and just system for ALL people. pampango Jan 2016 #7
+1000 smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #18
Admit when bad things occur and punish criminals without stereotyping entire groups of people, most Bad Dog Jan 2016 #10
And yet where is the reciprocity between cultures? Muslim countires punish entire groups of Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #16
Sounds like you're selectively blaming a whole group. Bad Dog Jan 2016 #17
It's negligent to deny that the cultures that these men come from... TipTok Jan 2016 #21
Wow cultural relativism turns into masochism....nt Jesus Malverde Jan 2016 #8
Well put (n/t) leftynyc Jan 2016 #22
This shit plays right into yeh hate narrative of those like Trump Lee-Lee Jan 2016 #12
You are right, it is a huge, tangled mess. smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #19
Imagine if they had clearly cracked down on this behavior right from the start Kurska Jan 2016 #20
Well, now we can understand leftynyc Jan 2016 #23

Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
1. No punishment really?
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 06:48 AM
Jan 2016

The Cologne police chief has been sacked and the perpetrators are being sought to prosecute. 1.1 million asylum seekers arrived in Germany in 2015, and let's say 150 of those were involved in assaults, that's still a tiny figure compared to those asylum seekers who behaved according to the law.

It seems the rights of women are a useful cover for blanket condemnation of all immigrants/Moslems.

These people should be prosecuted, and so should the right wing extremists using this incident as an excuse to attack innocent migrants.

German officials have vowed to find and prosecute the perpetrators of the New Year’s Eve assaults. Chancellor Angela Merkel, for many the face of Europe’s open-door policy on refugees and migrants, hinted at potential deportations. “We must examine again and again whether we have already done what is necessary in terms of ... deportations from Germany in order to send clear signals to those who are not prepared to abide by our legal order,” she said, according to the Associated Press.

The public response to the alleged assaults turned violent in Cologne this weekend. During a peaceful protest of the incidents on Saturday, about 500 supporters of Pegida, an organization that opposes immigration of Muslims, threw beer bottles, fireworks, and rocks at police officers, who responded with tear gas and water cannons, CNN reported. On Sunday, a mob of 20 people attacked six Pakistanis, two of whom had to receive medical treatment, according to Agence France-Presse. Five other people attacked a Syrian, who was slightly injured. The BBC reported that another Syrian was attacked in a separate incident, as were three Guineans in a fourth attack.


http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/01/cologne-attacks-refugees-migrants/423528/

Kurska

(5,739 posts)
2. This isn't the same incident.
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 06:52 AM
Jan 2016

This was a mass sexual assault on women at a private party that was hushed up by the organizers 2 month prior to NYE. It was never reported to police and the organizers tried to cover it up. It only came to light after a woman who was attacked broke the silence. In that time absolutely no one had been prosecuted, because it was being covered up.

You'd know that if you bothered to read the article. This helps establish a willful pattern of bad actors both within and outside of government to hush up sexual assaults by migrants on women.

If you're going to respond to the thread, you might want to try reading the article.

Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
9. The police chief in Cologne has been sacked regardless.
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 07:32 AM
Jan 2016

And the criminals will be prosecuted, as they should be. That doesn't mean it's acceptable to condemn all Moslems/asylum seekers.

Kurska

(5,739 posts)
11. Whose condemning all Muslims?
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 07:36 AM
Jan 2016

I'm condemning the politicians and political organizers who covered these incidents up for political gain. The ones you seem to be okay with getting off with covering up rapes and sexual assaults.

Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
13. I posted that
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 08:26 AM
Jan 2016

These people should be prosecuted. I don't think anyone should be let off, but it's easier to put words in someone's mouth than to deal with the issues raised.




Kurska

(5,739 posts)
14. How bout the politicians who covered it up?
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 08:32 AM
Jan 2016

You don't actually think the apolitical position of police chief just decided to cover it up. No way he was influenced by higher ups right?

Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
15. Unlike you
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 08:41 AM
Jan 2016

I don't have a crystal ball, so I don't know what happened. If people are involved in a cover up they should face the consequences, but we don't know what's really going on.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
3. Damn liberals and their 'political correctness'! Listen to Donald! Bar and deport all Muslims!
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 07:03 AM
Jan 2016

Or we can act as liberals. Admit when bad things occur and punish criminals without stereotyping entire groups of people, most of whom have done nothing wrong.

Kurska

(5,739 posts)
4. Yeah why don't we start punishing the criminals
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 07:07 AM
Jan 2016

Instead of repeatedly hiding it for months to avoid "causing a fuss".

If you think Merkel is a liberal by the way, you're a fool. This isn't about left/right.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
5. They have started "punishing the criminals" and you know that. If you think Trump, Orban, Le Pen and
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 07:11 AM
Jan 2016

many others on the right are 'liberals', never mind.

Kurska

(5,739 posts)
6. Maybe we can get a fair and just system that puts the safety of people above the needs of polticians
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 07:14 AM
Jan 2016

Apparently thinking it is disgusting the amount of unreported sexual assault was covered up makes you a far right extremists.

But lets just move on and not hold any of the people responsible accountable. I mean their hearts were in the right place when they were covering up those rapes. Nothing to see here.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
7. Agreed on the need for a fair and just system for ALL people.
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 07:27 AM
Jan 2016
But lets just move on and not hold any of the people responsible accountable.

The way that I use English, "Admit when bad things occur and punish criminals ..." does not mean 'lets just move on and not hold any of the people responsible accountable'.

But if one hates Muslims enough, I suppose English words can mean anything one wants.


I mean their hearts were in the right place when they were covering up those rapes. Nothing to see here.

Again, that is not what "Admit when bad things occur and punish criminals ..." means.

Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
10. Admit when bad things occur and punish criminals without stereotyping entire groups of people, most
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 07:34 AM
Jan 2016

Agreed. Unfortunately a lot of people are doing the exact opposite.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
16. And yet where is the reciprocity between cultures? Muslim countires punish entire groups of
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 09:11 AM
Jan 2016

people for existing, LGBT are subject to the death penalty in 10 Islamic countries. Such countries demand total compliance to law and custom from any and all visitors, no questions allowed. Anyone who questions these laws is punished for that. I'm currently writing letters on behalf of a Palestinian poet about to be murdered by Saudis for poetry. The poet and those about to kill him are all Muslims, I know which of them I stand with. Do you? Can't stand with them all.

So where is the reciprocity? Muslims can murder other Muslims for making up a poem or thinking about God differently, they can murder all the gay people and forbid the practice of any other faith, forbid conversions, demand that visitors dress in certain ways, abstain from alcohol, and follow all their other rules and superstitious behaviors.

Islam likes to talk about 'hospitality' and yet as hosts they are demanding, as guests they demand to be treated as hosts. Others must comply to their desires both in their own lands and when they come to the lands of others. No reciprocity, no equity, it is a one way street. It is far out of balance.

Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
17. Sounds like you're selectively blaming a whole group.
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 10:57 AM
Jan 2016

Uganda is a Christian country, (41.9% Roman Catholic, 35.9% Anglican) that has the death penalty for homosexuality. There's anti gay legislation in a lot of non Moslem counties, Russia being a prime example.

The Uganda Anti-Homosexuality Act, 2014 (previously called the "Kill the Gays bill" in the western mainstream media due to death penalty clauses proposed in the original version) was passed by the Parliament of Uganda on 20 December 2013 with life in prison substituted for the death penalty.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Anti-Homosexuality_Act,_2014

It's not like you're comparing like with like. How many Moslem counties could be classed as Liberal Democracies? Islam is only 1400 years old. When Christianity was that old we had the Spanish Inquisition and Witch burning.

There are lots of nasty regimes in the world and a lot of intolerant bigots, and there's lots of decent law abiding Moslems who don't discriminate against people based on race or sexual orientation. If you insist on demonising a whole group don't be surprised when they start embracing fundamentalism.

We need to encourage the Liberals, not tar them all with the same brush.

 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
21. It's negligent to deny that the cultures that these men come from...
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 12:52 PM
Jan 2016

... Don't have an appreciation for women's privacy or sexual freedom.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
12. This shit plays right into yeh hate narrative of those like Trump
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 07:40 AM
Jan 2016

Especially the whole keeping it quiet thing so as to not draw attention to the problem.

Likewise the way the officials at first pretended it didn't happen at NYE or tried to minimize it.

And it's damn sad how many women who have been or will be assaulted by this- and it's even sadder that I have seen reports of some who have come forward to report assaults being attacked as racists for reporting it.

It's a huge mess that there is no good way out of. The narrative was cast early on when German authorities kept denying it was related to refugees or immigrants, their later moved to try and find and prosecute people were too little, too late for public opinion.

And now the mess is causing huge rifts in the left with people seeing it as a racial/religious discrimination issue vs a womens rights issue and that's starting to tear apart the left.

It's just a huge mess- and only the Trumps and Le Pens of the world are winning from it. The left loses, women in these country lose, and the migrants who are not doing this all lose....

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
19. You are right, it is a huge, tangled mess.
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 12:15 PM
Jan 2016

If only the authorities had dealt with the issue squarely from the get go instead of trying to cover it up due to their ridiculous PC agenda, I don't think things would be as out of control as they are now.

Because of their unwillingness to stand up for the women in their country, they are now dealing with a mess that is spiraling out of control and polarizing the nation. I don't see things getting better any time soon.

Kurska

(5,739 posts)
20. Imagine if they had clearly cracked down on this behavior right from the start
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 12:49 PM
Jan 2016

Last edited Fri Jan 15, 2016, 03:09 PM - Edit history (1)

It's almost as if they gave the greenlight to the men through their inaction. No wonder they just got bolder and bolder.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
23. Well, now we can understand
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 01:04 PM
Jan 2016

why those animals on NYE thought they could get away with it. They've already seen people get away with it.

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