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NRaleighLiberal

(60,013 posts)
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 03:04 PM Jan 2016

Belief systems. Do they doom us as a species?

I've been thinking about some things for a long time. Those things are not easy for me to clearly elucidate - the main ideas become fleeting, amorphous, more about feelings than easily written words. But a book that my wife and I read a bit of each morning - Hal Borland's Book of Days - has helped me more than anything else come to terms with what I've been seeing, especially in the last decade or so of my nearly 60 years. The evolution of the internet, social media, the decline of print and TV news (made far worse by cable so-called "news&quot , the current state of politics - both local, and world-wide - all bring on this feeling.

We each have a belief system - a paradigm - that we use as a lens to assess the world. Even here at DU - our paradigm is largely liberal, largely Democratic. But within that are separate beliefs - about those things that cross politics - guns being a major one, but certainly it is easy to come up with a host of others - that lead to conflict, bickering, anger.

Of course, we've always had belief systems as soon as humans evolved to have the ability to think. It is how each of us makes sense of our world. Hopefully, observations, research, education, and time lead to more knowledge, and our belief systems evolve more toward the "truth" (whatever that is).

When we met and talked face to face, or picked up the phone, when the news was on an hour a day, for better or for worse, a basis of friendship and understanding was formed that, for whatever reason, made the clash of belief systems less obvious, perhaps.

But we are in a different place. Facebook, Twitter, discussion sites like DU and all of the others, and any other of the social media platforms bring our belief systems into direct contrast, often conflict. And of course, each of us feels we are right - that we have the answer. Now throw in race, sexuality, gender, politics, money, greed, power - and religion (which is the source of some of the most iron clad belief systems of all) - and I just wonder if we are finally getting to where we just are incapable of thinking of the world as a collective, as a group of people of great diversity that optimally will all work together, seek and find common goals, common good.

I was listening to Diane Rehm today and toward the end of the world news roundup, a caller got on the line and asked the panel if they thought that religion was a root cause of the problem - he claimed to be an atheist, and from where he sat, each side was demonstrating exactly what the other side was accusing it of. It boggles the mind - all of those killed through centuries and centuries because of their particular belief systems, and their own belief that it was their right to impose it on others.

So, where are we - and where can we possibly be going? We have belief systems that are convinced that it is our right to completely, environmentally screw the world. Or to apply caste systems to people so that they can never rise up. Or....a million other ways to put the point.

I am generally an optimistic person - and when I think small - my own life, hobbies, pursuits - I am happy. But when I think of where the world is going, how it communicates, what my two daughters are experiencing and will experience - it is harder for me to be hopeful.

Which brings me back to Hal Borland's book. He speculates that humans - we, as we are known today - could be an evolutionary branch that will ultimately fail - because our attributes - belief systems - will not work in concert, but will eventually bring about our own demise.

And then - we will see what life form survived and can perhaps - hopefully! - do better than we did!

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Belief systems. Do they doom us as a species? (Original Post) NRaleighLiberal Jan 2016 OP
One of the more interesting theories about the lack of contact with ETs... StandingInLeftField Jan 2016 #1
Finally getting there? The2ndWheel Jan 2016 #2
great last line "We're prisoners of history, and slaves to the future." NRaleighLiberal Jan 2016 #9
Nope. KamaAina Jan 2016 #3
thanks for the reading material! NRaleighLiberal Jan 2016 #8
De nada. KamaAina Jan 2016 #10
Beliefs/Facts Donkees Jan 2016 #4
interesting - thanks for the comment. NRaleighLiberal Jan 2016 #7
The survivors will be sorefeet Jan 2016 #5
I tend to think you are right. I hope so, anyway. NRaleighLiberal Jan 2016 #6
1. One of the more interesting theories about the lack of contact with ETs...
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 03:24 PM
Jan 2016

is that the majority of intelligent species gain the ability to destroy themselves long before they gain the wisdom to avoid that very outcome.

I'm afraid I'm in agreement with you and Hal Borland. Our time as a species is limited. Which in the Grand Scheme may not be such a bad thing.

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
2. Finally getting there?
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 03:31 PM
Jan 2016
and I just wonder if we are finally getting to where we just are incapable of thinking of the world as a collective, as a group of people of great diversity that optimally will all work together, seek and find common goals, common good.


When were we not there? It's tough to have great diversity and some common, global, collective goal. Probably impossible. It's one or the other.

Take 10 groups of 10 people in each group, with each group doing things differently. Take those same 100 different people, and put them in 1 large group doing the same thing. Is one example more diverse than the other?

I am generally an optimistic person - and when I think small - my own life, hobbies, pursuits - I am happy. But when I think of where the world is going, how it communicates, what my two daughters are experiencing and will experience - it is harder for me to be hopeful.


We're not really built to think in that big picture way. It's way too complex. We're not built to fly, or travel at 55mph either. Our technology allows us to do that. When looking at the internet, it's basically just the collective human mind on a screen. With basically all of human history known. That's why it's so crazy.

We complain all the time about empire, war, or killing, or whatever. Yet, without any of that, there's no America as we know it today. America couldn't be started today, what with international rules and all, but only because America was founded when it was, and how it was, and won. But, it's not like any of us can just drop everything, give back the land, and go back to where we came from.

We're prisoners of history, and slaves to the future.

NRaleighLiberal

(60,013 posts)
9. great last line "We're prisoners of history, and slaves to the future."
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 06:59 PM
Jan 2016

Indeed. Even if most seem to forget, and not learn from, that history.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
3. Nope.
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 04:34 PM
Jan 2016
http://www.tolerance.cz/courses/monnet/winter2004/AQCI/HW_%20vanessa.doc

Our review of the ritual life of the Nacirema has certainly shown them to be a magic-ridden people. It is hard to understand how they have managed to exist so long under the burdens which they have imposed upon themselves. But even such exotic customs as these take on real meaning when they are viewed with the insight provided by Malinowski when he wrote:

Looking from far and above, from our high places of safety in the developed civilization, it is easy to see all the crudity and irrelevance of magic. But without its power and guidance early man could not have mastered his practical difficulties as he has done, nor could man have advanced to the higher stages of civilization.

Donkees

(31,373 posts)
4. Beliefs/Facts
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 06:09 PM
Jan 2016
So, where are we - and where can we possibly be going? We have belief systems that are convinced that it is our right to completely, environmentally screw the world. Or to apply caste systems to people so that they can never rise up. Or....a million other ways to put the point.

We *are* hard-wired for compassion, the brain *does* file away beliefs as facts, and dueling egos do get bursts of *reward* chemistry. The ego's niche though doesn't specialize in "spirituality" but in separations. Egos can do an impersonation of spirituality but it mainly serves to feed the ego.

sorefeet

(1,241 posts)
5. The survivors will be
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 06:26 PM
Jan 2016

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the ones who think OUTSIDE the box. They won't be brainwashed. The mind is like a parachute, they both have to be open to work.
So many people today can't think for themselves. They just roll with the propaganda and materialism.

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