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This guy schtick is one of the most ineffective communicators I have ever heard. His method of communicating is pathetic.
Coventina
(27,093 posts)Autumn
(45,042 posts)Coventina
(27,093 posts)And it's really cool how they carry everything they need with them!
Autumn
(45,042 posts)candy in the world named after them. They seem to have this wonderful focus in life. I love watching them walk
Coventina
(27,093 posts)They really seem to have a great attitude toward life.
Plums and bananas would make them so happy! You could tell by the way they'd "hurry" over and thoughtfully chew them up!
Autumn
(45,042 posts)a turtle, rather large just roaming all over the store. I was amazed at how fast he moved.
Coventina
(27,093 posts)I was lucky enough to see a desert tortoise while out hiking last spring, and s/he was moving along at a pretty good clip!
840high
(17,196 posts)FrodosPet
(5,169 posts)Time for a PB&J with strawberry jam.
DirtyHippyBastard
(217 posts)They were really good. Finished the last jar of jam this week.
FrodosPet
(5,169 posts)That does it. This year, I am growing strawberries.
And maybe getting a turtle.
But I will keep it away from my strawberry plants.
pansypoo53219
(20,969 posts)carried it to the cottage. HEY! we found a big turtle, we were inside maybe a minute. it had disappeared in that minute.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)That is a tortoise.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)I think that's a turtle. It's feet look turtle-like to me.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)Are they forest creatures? The pictures look like they were taken in a forest.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I encountered a huge one that was feeding on a deer carcass when I was kayaking, they look like dinosaurs.
They hiss like demons too.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)Where did you encounter one? Which country/state?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I also had to convince a very determined Water Moccasin that he was not welcome in my kayak, he tried to climb in three times.
Much more friendly than the turtle but ultimately not someone you want sharing the ride.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)What a crazy looking animal.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I was paddling along a quiet creek somewhere else in Tennessee and noticed what I thought was a Gila Monster. I didn't know what it was until I got home and looked it up. Here's a picture of one:
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ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)Take me to the wilderness with you next you go.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Another fun fact: Snapping Turtles use that worm-like appendage in their mouth to lure prey. They hold their mouth open under water and wait for some unsuspecting fish to check it out.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)I love them!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)I think we are up to 100 turtles.
I get house guests to make turtles to leave behind. We have a craft day, they make turtles, I add them to the collection.
Surprising how much fun adults can have making turtles. They giggle, curse, take a few pain pills....and we get rather interesting turtles.
juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)Autumn
(45,042 posts)H2O Man
(73,528 posts)I think he is outstanding. And he communicates with a significant audience just fine.
wilt the stilt
(4,528 posts)is to have people who don't agree with you to listen and consider your ideas. Think of a litigator trying to convince a jury to see his side in a case. I speak to top litigators all the time and the way they use language is very good and very persuasive. West only communicates with people who agree with him.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)control the thought process of the jury, the objective is very much not to encourage the jury to think for themselves but to encourage them to think as you want them to think. A closer in sales or law or any other context discourages consideration of fact counter to the desired conclusion.
A person like West is encouraging people to think for themselves, and like other teachers and artists and unlike salespeople or litigators people who seek to encourage thought in their listeners do not seek to persuade to conclusions but to motivate the use of reason as a habitual approach to information being presented.
Those who seek to force agreement with their point of view have an entirely different objective from those who seek to prompt you to think about your own point of view more completely.
Offering the language of a litigator as example of how a teacher should speak is just a big mistake. To my way of thinking it is a profoundly large mistake.
wilt the stilt
(4,528 posts)he turns off of 70% of the populous. If he really wants to seek to influence people then he figures out the best way to get to the most people. His schtick is old and tiresome and 70% of the people are turned off by his appearance and his way of communicating. that is why he is a bad communicator.
EvolveOrConvolve
(6,452 posts)I think I see where you're going with this.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)So yeah, tell me more about your effective communication while you continue to tell me which black people are ok for me to like.
H2O Man
(73,528 posts)As he was on Bill Maher's show on HBO last night, I'm confident that is what we are speaking about. That is a distinct context from, say, if he were speaking to a university audience, which includes the "three groups" (those who support you, those who oppose you, and the undecided). Being rather familiar with his style of presentation in that context, I can say that he does focus on the undecided.
On Maher's show, the audience has already decided. It was obvious from their responses that they have already identified which candidate they support. Hence, he focused on energizing them. And he did a mighty fine job of doing just that.
wilt the stilt
(4,528 posts)If one is to be successful it is to get people to be on your side. That is exactly what a litigator,salesperson or very successful people typically do. Not always but for the most part they do.
He only communicates to people who like him and in my opinion that is why he is a poor communicator. He is just not taken seriously by the majority of the people and it is because of his presentation.
I work with litigators all the time and some of the most famous ones. I will be visiting Bob McConnell's attorney soon. I've hung out with him.
The one common trait with them is they like to convince people. It is fascinating working with them By and large they are very funny and pretty gracious. Their art of communicating is something to admire.
I call them out of the blue and one of my best cold calls was getting an appointment with one of the most famous litigators in the country.One of his most famous cases was a long article in Rolling Stone. It is a very famous case. i was only the second meeting he ever took.
He didn't know me from Adam yet something i said hooked him. i do this routinely and have met many of the chairs of certain practices in the largest law firms in the country.
I just watch this guy and I shake my head.
I detest Reagan but one thing i know he communicated very well.
One example of his pathetic communications. When he called Obama a ni****d president did that win over anyone. I say no.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)Autumn
(45,042 posts)Coventina
(27,093 posts)Autumn
(45,042 posts)I think that they would be great pets.
Coventina
(27,093 posts)They are pretty low-maintenance, once you have the proper enclosure for them.
And, they are just nice to hang with, you know?
Very Zen......
Autumn
(45,042 posts)DirtyHippyBastard
(217 posts)I would want strawberry pie.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)but, now I am thinking I might want a turtle or a parakeet and a turtle. I saw a really pretty turquoise parakeet in the pet store.
Autumn
(45,042 posts)their seed all over the place.
a la izquierda
(11,791 posts)He was greats, until he ran away...or so my parents told me.
MurrayDelph
(5,293 posts)"Brother <fill-in-the-name>" schtick to be condescending and annoying.
JEB
(4,748 posts)That shell schtick they do works every time. I want pie.
hibbing
(10,095 posts)Paulie
(8,462 posts)They eat jelly fish!
FrodosPet
(5,169 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)That is a tortoise.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle
And ixnay on the ortoiseay alktay, don't ruin it for him.
He's a shark.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)and then look at the feet of the "shark" in the posted picture. I believe turtles spend most of their time in the water while tortoises spend most of their time on land.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Seriously you're correct but the baby tortoise pics are adorable.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)I have to disagree. If you put a boxie in the water, it will drown. They live in forests. And they are turtles.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)I really feel compelled to know this turtle/tortoise thing. I guess there is a third group too, but I don't know anything about them.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)I checked to see how I would know a tortoise when I saw one, and it seems that it is in the feet. Water turtles have webbed feet. Terrestrial turtles do not but have claws. Tortoises have elephantine feet.
Or at least that is what it appears to be. I am not that well versed in all terrapins, but I do know box turtles. And I try to educate people that they are not great water turtles. They might play in puddles to find worms, but if someone finds one and puts it in a pond thinking that is helping them, they will not be able to swim.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)FrodosPet
(5,169 posts)ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)I loved the nose biting bit. I haven't seen that movie.
Autumn
(45,042 posts)Summer would be no problem but what would I do with it in the winter? You know what this county needs? A Rent-A-Turtle.
underpants
(182,736 posts)RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)wilt the stilt
(4,528 posts)I would think you would like to influence the most people you can.
Empowerer
(3,900 posts)All down with the people and everything . . .
But he's a joke and/or irrelevant in most of the black community.
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)I think you're missing the point....
EvolveOrConvolve
(6,452 posts)When your post is a mess of grammatical mistakes with an unclear message. Pot meet kettle...