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snacker

(3,619 posts)
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 12:10 AM Jan 2016

New prayer rules at Ariens leave dozens of Muslims unemployed

http://wbay.com/2016/01/15/new-prayer-rules-at-ariens-leave-70-80-muslims-unemployed/

"...“I have been 35 years in America and I’ve never heard of a company that is not allowing its employees to pray five minutes. It is absolutely discrimination on its face,” said Adan Hurr.

“Allow me to pray so that I can go back to work and do what I love to do, which is working for Ariens. But we are not allowed to do that. Yesterday what happened was just a travesty,” he said."

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New prayer rules at Ariens leave dozens of Muslims unemployed (Original Post) snacker Jan 2016 OP
They should not get extra breaks. Dawson Leery Jan 2016 #1
Coffee breaks are mandatory under FLSA HassleCat Jan 2016 #2
It's all explained at the link n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #4
The employees want 5 prayer breaks instead of just 2. n/t cheapdate Jan 2016 #7
I didn't read the link closely enough HassleCat Jan 2016 #13
No, I'm sorry R.A. Ganoush Jan 2016 #18
By offering alternate shifts SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #3
It's not discrimination. cheapdate Jan 2016 #5
Exactly SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #9
Good. Nobody should have to allow extra breaks for prayer for any religion. nt Joe the Revelator Jan 2016 #6
I agree. Companies should not have to change their production line because of superstition. BlueJazz Jan 2016 #11
They can't pray for five minutes? LittleBlue Jan 2016 #8
Did you read the story at the link? SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #10
Not when they refuse to pray during scheduled breaks, Joe the Revelator Jan 2016 #12
yes it is two times a day for a year. Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #15
reasonable accommodation Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #14
+1000 smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #16
Religion ruins everything. nt valerief Jan 2016 #17
What do Muslims in other jobs--jobs that don't have breaks--do? MindPilot Jan 2016 #19
The law requires reasonable accommodation SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #20
I can answer this question Runningdawg Jan 2016 #28
Five breaks instead of two? Fuck off. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #21
What's the policy regarding smoking breaks? hedgehog Jan 2016 #22
Random posts from Facebook the anti-Islamic sentiment is high and unapologetic Algernon Moncrieff Jan 2016 #23
Good. FLPanhandle Jan 2016 #24
As long as the labor laws are being strictly followed, hifiguy Jan 2016 #25
Their God didn't want them to have a job edhopper Jan 2016 #26
Not good to piss them off. bdwker Jan 2016 #27
 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
13. I didn't read the link closely enough
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 12:38 AM
Jan 2016

It's a production line. The employees have to go on break at scheduled times. I worked in a production environment, and that's what we had to do. I worked for TSA, which allowed Muslim women to wear the hijab, Sikhs to wear turbans, etc. but people had to take breaks at assigned times. I don't like it when "religious freedom" is used to make stupid demands, and so many religious demands are stupid. Demanding your employer allow five breaks a day for prayer is stupid and outrageous.

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
5. It's not discrimination.
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 12:17 AM
Jan 2016

Manufacturing usually requires the workers to be at their workstations except for scheduled breaks. Not making an exception is not discrimination. If you can't make the compromise needed to work there, then don't. Sorry.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
9. Exactly
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 12:20 AM
Jan 2016

There are certainly some jobs where the break time can be set more or less by the employee, and so long as the employer is ok with it, great.

Assembly lines normally don't operate under that model.

 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
11. I agree. Companies should not have to change their production line because of superstition.
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 12:27 AM
Jan 2016

"You'll have to seal those cracks in the floor..I'll break my mother's back."

Sounds silly but to me, one is just as valid as the other.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
8. They can't pray for five minutes?
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 12:19 AM
Jan 2016

Ariens might technically be within the law, but they should make a better effort. Five minutes isn't long.

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
12. Not when they refuse to pray during scheduled breaks,
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 12:28 AM
Jan 2016

have to leave during working time, give the duties they were hired to preform to someone else, and do this twice a day.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
15. yes it is two times a day for a year.
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 12:43 AM
Jan 2016

and to the employees that must pick up their work during those extra breaks.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
14. reasonable accommodation
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 12:41 AM
Jan 2016

is what the company did. I do not think they should get EXTRA breaks and make other workers cover for their breaks.

 

MindPilot

(12,693 posts)
19. What do Muslims in other jobs--jobs that don't have breaks--do?
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 10:48 AM
Jan 2016

What of the Muslim airline pilot on a 12-hour flight? A Muslim surgeon? Nurse, get Dr. Tran in here to take over this open heart operation; I have to go pray.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
20. The law requires reasonable accommodation
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 10:53 AM
Jan 2016

For an airline pilot on a 12 hour flight, that's pretty easy to do, as they do take breaks while flying.

For a surgeon, not so much.

The company in this case has made the accommodation, the employees just don't like it.

Runningdawg

(4,514 posts)
28. I can answer this question
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 07:09 PM
Jan 2016

I worked for a Muslim cardio-vascular surgeon for 20+ years. If he was not in surgery or knee deep in patients he stopped, stepped into a linen or supply closet and prayed. If he was in surgery, he did not stop to pray. If his schedule allowed, he attended Friday prayers.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
21. Five breaks instead of two? Fuck off.
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 11:10 AM
Jan 2016

"Reasonable accommodation" of their skydaddy rituals doesn't mean giving extra breaks no one else gets and making these people's co-workers cover the slack. Fuck 'em.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,781 posts)
23. Random posts from Facebook the anti-Islamic sentiment is high and unapologetic
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 06:32 PM
Jan 2016

These are not friends of mine. These are random posts from my "Trending" feed.

Kay McFee via Ariens


America is totally out of control. Prayer breaks for Muslims and scheduling around Somalian needs !?! When I worked most places didn't even have adequate break rooms and if they had one you were hard pressed to get a break being in the medical field let alone a designated prayer room. Are you serious ? Making prayer rooms at work but we have taken prayer out of our schools where the children of these same parents asking for prayer breaks ? I'm a Christian and had to give up my right to pray and say the Lord's Prayer and Pledge of Allegiance. Now they want God off the dollar bill but want to pray at the places the earn that money. This total bull crap. We keep bowing down to everything this very country was founded on. Don't like the rules don't stay. ‪#‎Unbelievable


Carl P Meglan Jr. via Ariens

As a customer of Aierns and someone who can read the constitution that details a separation of church and state, the government needs to butt out of this situation and let the parties settle their disagreements between each other.

The government has no duty to back, support or dictate the rights of any religious body and its members who wish to impose their religion and religious practices upon an employer at the expense of that employer.

Since our atheist friends fervently demand that there be no prayers in schools etc perhaps they would like to be advocates for Aierns that they be reimbursed for "Prayer Rooms" they have to provide their Muslim Employees to pray on company premises? Just saying what seems fair and appropriate.



William Prien Sr.

That's not fair to the other employees who have to do double the amount of work, even if it's for 5 minutes, do the Muslim share their paycheck with the employee who covers for them? My guess is no. This is America, take your towel & go home if you don't like it. I believe in freedom of religion, speech, whatnot. If that is to hard for you to understand then maybe you should go back to your home country where you can pray when you need to.



Carolyn Bohnenberger Pampillion

I say ... "Oh Well". According to law listed by the Equal Opportunity Employment Commission, “an employer DOES NOT have to accommodate an employee’s religious beliefs or practices if doing so would cause undue hardship to the employer… [such as] decreased efficiency”.. And one employee states: “I have been 35 years in America and I’ve never heard of a company that is not allowing its employees to pray five minutes. It is absolutely discrimination on its face,” -- But I ask, what about Catholic/Christian Americans - All of these people (Muslims) crying discrimination are constantly offended by schools saying the pledge of allegiance (One Nation under God), Nativities, Christmas Trees, etc... If they feel we are infringing on their "rights" -- THEY ARE infringing on ours! Practice what you preach. OR GET THE "F" OUT OF THE U.S.!!!!! I feel they should Pledge their Allegiance to the country that is affording them many benefits to make money and live "freely".



Ken Hansen

Production lines can't be expected to stop for one's prayer time, nor should the company be expected to keep 'floaters' on staff to accommodate the prayer needs of a few dozen workers.

It is the worker's responsibility to find a job consistent with their religion, not the employer's job to alter production schedules to meet the worker's religious beliefs.




edhopper

(33,484 posts)
26. Their God didn't want them to have a job
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 06:45 PM
Jan 2016

He thinks it's more important that he gets his worship time.

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