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http://wbay.com/2016/01/15/new-prayer-rules-at-ariens-leave-70-80-muslims-unemployed/"...I have been 35 years in America and Ive never heard of a company that is not allowing its employees to pray five minutes. It is absolutely discrimination on its face, said Adan Hurr.
Allow me to pray so that I can go back to work and do what I love to do, which is working for Ariens. But we are not allowed to do that. Yesterday what happened was just a travesty, he said."
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)HassleCat
(6,409 posts)I don't get it. Is Ariens defying the break requirement?
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)cheapdate
(3,811 posts)HassleCat
(6,409 posts)It's a production line. The employees have to go on break at scheduled times. I worked in a production environment, and that's what we had to do. I worked for TSA, which allowed Muslim women to wear the hijab, Sikhs to wear turbans, etc. but people had to take breaks at assigned times. I don't like it when "religious freedom" is used to make stupid demands, and so many religious demands are stupid. Demanding your employer allow five breaks a day for prayer is stupid and outrageous.
R.A. Ganoush
(97 posts)There is no part of the FLSA that addresses meal periods or coffee breaks.
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)sounds like the company is within the law.
cheapdate
(3,811 posts)Manufacturing usually requires the workers to be at their workstations except for scheduled breaks. Not making an exception is not discrimination. If you can't make the compromise needed to work there, then don't. Sorry.
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)There are certainly some jobs where the break time can be set more or less by the employee, and so long as the employer is ok with it, great.
Assembly lines normally don't operate under that model.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)"You'll have to seal those cracks in the floor..I'll break my mother's back."
Sounds silly but to me, one is just as valid as the other.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Ariens might technically be within the law, but they should make a better effort. Five minutes isn't long.
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)The company is being completely reasonable.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)have to leave during working time, give the duties they were hired to preform to someone else, and do this twice a day.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)and to the employees that must pick up their work during those extra breaks.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)is what the company did. I do not think they should get EXTRA breaks and make other workers cover for their breaks.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)MindPilot
(12,693 posts)What of the Muslim airline pilot on a 12-hour flight? A Muslim surgeon? Nurse, get Dr. Tran in here to take over this open heart operation; I have to go pray.
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)For an airline pilot on a 12 hour flight, that's pretty easy to do, as they do take breaks while flying.
For a surgeon, not so much.
The company in this case has made the accommodation, the employees just don't like it.
Runningdawg
(4,514 posts)I worked for a Muslim cardio-vascular surgeon for 20+ years. If he was not in surgery or knee deep in patients he stopped, stepped into a linen or supply closet and prayed. If he was in surgery, he did not stop to pray. If his schedule allowed, he attended Friday prayers.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)"Reasonable accommodation" of their skydaddy rituals doesn't mean giving extra breaks no one else gets and making these people's co-workers cover the slack. Fuck 'em.
hedgehog
(36,286 posts)Algernon Moncrieff
(5,781 posts)These are not friends of mine. These are random posts from my "Trending" feed.
Kay McFee via Ariens
America is totally out of control. Prayer breaks for Muslims and scheduling around Somalian needs !?! When I worked most places didn't even have adequate break rooms and if they had one you were hard pressed to get a break being in the medical field let alone a designated prayer room. Are you serious ? Making prayer rooms at work but we have taken prayer out of our schools where the children of these same parents asking for prayer breaks ? I'm a Christian and had to give up my right to pray and say the Lord's Prayer and Pledge of Allegiance. Now they want God off the dollar bill but want to pray at the places the earn that money. This total bull crap. We keep bowing down to everything this very country was founded on. Don't like the rules don't stay. #Unbelievable
Carl P Meglan Jr. via Ariens
The government has no duty to back, support or dictate the rights of any religious body and its members who wish to impose their religion and religious practices upon an employer at the expense of that employer.
Since our atheist friends fervently demand that there be no prayers in schools etc perhaps they would like to be advocates for Aierns that they be reimbursed for "Prayer Rooms" they have to provide their Muslim Employees to pray on company premises? Just saying what seems fair and appropriate.
William Prien Sr.
Carolyn Bohnenberger Pampillion
Ken Hansen
It is the worker's responsibility to find a job consistent with their religion, not the employer's job to alter production schedules to meet the worker's religious beliefs.
FLPanhandle
(7,107 posts)We accommodate silly superstitious rules way too much.
Pray on your own time all you want.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)hard cheese.
edhopper
(33,484 posts)He thinks it's more important that he gets his worship time.