Ryan Payne one of the Oregon occupation leaders, says slavery never existed

[cali]

in the U.S.



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More specifically, he came to believe that slavery never really existed in the United States and that African Americans in the antebellum South "didn't view themselves as slaves." He came to believe in "an effort by some Jews to control the world." He came to believe the founders of the United States intended for the states to act as sovereign countries. He came to believe taxes are a form of "legal plunder." He came to believe names are spelled in all-caps on driver's licenses because U.S. citizens are actually "corporate entities." He came to believe U.S. courts are actually foreign admiralty courts. He came to believe that "in most states you have the lawful authority to kill a police officer that is unlawfully trying to arrest you." He came to believe when a newborn child's footprint is made on a birth certificate, that child is effectively entering a life of servitude to the U.S. government, which borrows money from China based on that child's estimated lifetime earning potential.

He came to see all aspects of government, culture and society as mechanisms of control. "And they've set everything up so they can maintain that control," Payne says, "because they believe they are God."

As Payne became convinced that conspiracies exist to control the world's people, he also moved from agnosticism to a deep belief in a Creator. "I'm a Jew," Payne says. "A Messianic Jew. A Kabbalist, even." These mystical and often controversial traditions of Judaism accommodated his faith as well as his suspicions of religion, which he considers "clothing for the truth."

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http://missoulanews.bigskypress.com/missoula/freedom-fighter/Content?oid=2054145&showFullText=true

[hobbit709]

1. Stupidity knows no bounds

[yeoman6987]

7. No kidding. Clearly never went to school.

[valerief]

9. Yep. Stupidity has its own brilliance. nt

[CanonRay]

2. Showing again that these "soverign citizens"

are nothing but Neo-nazis wrapped in a flag.

[lame54]

3. they came over on cruise ships

[underpants]

5. With state of the art 19th century "cord wood accommodations"

Personalized escort to your destination
All the food available
Dining with the Captain. Near him anyway.

[underpants]

4. So there was no slavery but children now are born into servitude?

Uh....yeah

Psssst Ryan, the controlling factor in your life other than yourself is corporations. You got near it with the "children as corporations" but then you paranoid dumbass got in the way.

[Bluenorthwest]

6. Useful mini bios of the occupiers from the ADL:

http://www.adl.org/assets/pdf/combating-hate/Anatomy-of-a-Standoff-MalheurOccupiers.pdf

[Coventina]

14. Fascinating link! Thanks!!! n/t

[dixiegrrrrl]

17. Hey Blue......that is a very interesting link...

Many thanks....

[lunasun]

29. +1 K&R

[treestar]

8. Insanity

That's what comes of lack of education. Or home schooling can allow the teacher to make fiction into reality for the student. Of course there were black slaves and they thought of themselves as slaves. Denying that is really lalaland territory.

[MisterP]

10. so what's he always comparing gub'mint to?

Last edited Sat Jan 16, 2016, 05:27 PM - Edit history (1)

on edit: apparently he's a Cabbalist-Jewish-Christian Communist, so he's Ahuviya Harel

[Rex]

11. Wait wait wait...how can he believe all those things freely in a society controlled by authoritarian

that monitor your every move and read your every thought? Rex came to believe Ryan Payne has lost his grip on sanity and now only rage and paranoia remain.

[Johonny]

12. This still doesn't out stupid the flat Earth guy

Once again why are these people allowed to break the law?

[cali]

13. Admittedly, that guy will be hard to out-stupid

[niyad]

15. such a deep level of determined stupidity should come with profound pain.

of course, he is right in line with nikki haley, who says the US never has made laws based on race or religion.

[SwankyXomb]

16. These guys should take turns

drilling holes in each others heads to let the stupid out, preferably before the FBI has to do it for them.

[dixiegrrrrl]

24. Brilliant idea.......

I vote yes...........

[KamaAina]

18. Ah yes, Messianic Jews*.

One such was the board chair of my agency back in Hawai'i. We were between directors, so he started stomping around acting like he owned the place. I figured the one day I wouldn't have to put up with his nonsense was Yom Kippur. I figured wrong. There he was, big as life! I asked, of course, and he told me that some paperwork was due.

As far as I can tell, Messianic Jews* are fundies who wear yarmulkes.

[sakabatou]

21. I see them as Christians who wear kippot.

[cali]

28. He's an anti-semitic nutcase

[Solly Mack]

19. No wonder they get into fistfights with each other. All that stupid competing for prominence.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

20. Does he use headphones attached to his refrigerator to garner this wisdom?

Which obviously has an IQ higher than his own.

[dixiegrrrrl]

25. All these smart gadgets ARE smarter than some people, for sure.

Really too bad there is not a test before one has kids.

[hifiguy]

22. How does anyone that fucking stupid

manage to put their pants on each day?

[Douglas Carpenter]

23. just this morning I was talking with someone about outlandish conspiracy theories

this is one of the most far out I have heard so far.

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. Alas this is one form sovereign citizen takes

[leftyladyfrommo]

27. He probably has never been to school

Past about 8th grade and he probably did poorly even then.

These guys are so uneducated.

[lunasun]

30. Electrician per wiki, could be helpful to hotwire stuff i guess

Ryan Payne (born 1984) is an electrician and member of the West Mountain Rangers, a rump militia from Montana.[1][2][3]

Payne grew up and graduated from high school in southern California. He joined the U.S. Army in 2001, where he was assigned to a military intelligence unit, eventually rising to the rank of sergeant. He was deployed to Iraq during the Iraq War. According to Payne, he became skeptical of the military in 2005 after promised close-air support never materialized during a counter-insurgency operation.[1][4]

During the Bundy standoff in 2014, Payne claimed to have organized a team of militia sharpshooters.[5]