Arabs’ sexual harassment in Germany and its effect on Merkel’s plans

[Dems to Win]

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written by an Egyptian woman living in Germany getting her PhD, Hala Kindleberger
From an Egyptian newspaper I could only quote a bit here, strongly recommend you click through and read it all

http://www.dailynewsegypt.com/2016/01/13/arabs-sexual-harassment-in-germany-and-its-effect-on-merkels-plans/

The sexual harassment incident in Cologne, Germany on New Year’s Eve resulted in massive shock in the European community. About 1,000 immigrants of Arab origins gathered to practice mass harassment, which has become widely commonplace in Arab and Islamic countries. They separated the women in circles, with a detailed plan to isolate them so they could harass them sexually, physically, and in some cases, even raped them.

This scenario is known in our countries but for the pacifist German society that respects human rights, it is a real shock and places a major obstacle in front of Merkel’s plans not to put a limit on the number of refugees admitted to the EU. Those who oppose accepting refugees of Arab and Islamic origins have been given the biggest corroboration for their argument to refuse giving asylum to people to those who do not respect customs and traditions of the German society.

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Testimonies of witnesses and victims confirm that these harassers did not have the slightest sense of wrongdoing; on the contrary, they have displayed a kind of pleasure and satisfaction.

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This catastrophic thinking has resulted in religious insanity that says girls should be taught their place in the streets and public spaces, to push them into donning the veil and push them out of the public sphere. Their rationale is that if women feel safe on the streets, they will be tempted to commit the sin of immodesty. By that virtue, harassment becomes a noble religious goal.

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The shock of the disaster has so far been rationally contained because it is a new phenomenon and no one here wants senseless rush. However if this occurs again, or becomes regular, it will not be long before Merkel and her party fall and with them the dream of embracing differences in the German society by the great mass of the German people. This includes old immigrants who have grown accustomed to the safety of their women in public places and who will suffer the major blowback from these actions and the thought. Merkel’s experience would be deemed a failure and will confirm the suspicions of those who did not accept Arab refugees.

The women of Germany used to be safe in their streets. Now, they are not. And it's not solely criminal assaults to worry about. In the past year, street harassment has become part of their daily life. Here's one little story:
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I can give you my 1st hand experience
I live in a town just south of Munich. There is refugee tent about 1-2 km from where I live. When I was walking down to the tram, a young blond girl about the age of 16 was walking in front of me. A group of refugees walking toward us started walking directly in front of the girl. When she moved right, they moved right, when she moved left, they moved left. They were purposely blocking her until I told them off. They laughed at me and thought it was a great laugh. The young girl took off as fast as she could.

This culture simply does not mix with German culture. The freedoms we once enjoyed have gone out the window and I truly feel sorry for the women here.
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The men harassing the teen knew they were being rude, impolite to their hosts, and frightening a young person. No amount of class time to teach them German social rules will make them want to be nice and respectful to the women and girls they see on the street. Especially since they are infidel women.

These men also did not commit a crime that could be charged and cause them to be deported. No police were called, and even if they had been, there would have been nothing done. There's currently no way to get rid of these harassers because they are not serious criminals under German law.

German girls deserve to be able to walk to school in peace and safety.

As a feminist, I am outraged. European women (of whatever color, creed) are being told not to go out alone at night, not to take the train at night, because it is unsafe. European women must stay home so Arab men can roam the streets of their cities and hometowns.

This is WRONG! The rights of citizens must not be compromised by an influx of immigrants.

How much freedom and safety are women expected to sacrifice in the name of multiculturalism?

I say not one iota. Europe must do whatever it takes to restore women's right to safe, free movement.

I'm still searching for a good old fashioned angry fist pumping take no prisoners feminist RANT about 500 women sexually assaulted at the train station of one of Europe's great cities, over a period of 6 hours, and the police were there but failed to call in enough reinforcements to put a stop to it.

Nothing but silence from Katha Pollitt, Amanda Marcotte, Joan Walsh, Susan Estrich, Gloria Steinem.

Haven't heard a word from Hillary Clinton. Or Bernie or Martin. (please correct me if I'm wrong, link appreciated, I've searched but found nothing)

Cowed into silence by political correctness. Mustn't say anything that might be echoed by Donald Trump, even if it is true.

If Trump is the only leader to take notice of mass sexual assault in the streets of Europe by Arab men, the only one to express outrage, the only one to vocally take the reasonable position that we must not allow it to happen in the US, then I suspect the Feminists for Trump demographic will only grow. And yes, they do exist. I've run into some on Twitter.

We'd better wake up before cultural relativism kills the left.

[HassleCat]

1. Cut off the flow of refugees

Accepting refugees is a great thing, but not if it endangers people.

[Jim Beard]

4. I could have told them that a long time ago as I remember the consequences of the Marial Boatlift to

the US from Cuba. Why do people have such short memories. That was 1977 and things as that do not change.

As far as I can see, most of the people here who still continue argue for massive immigration have a vested interest in it.

Furthermore, The huge migration will cripple Europe's social programs and the current citizens will be hurt.

Some were dreaming that the increase in population would help support the German economy however it appears it is the other way around.

Marial Boatlift

Initially, the Carter administration had an open-arms policy in regard to Cuban immigrants. Cubans were immediately granted refugee status and all the rights that went with it. Additionally, public opinion towards Cuban refugees was initially favorable.

This situation changed when it was discovered that the refugees included criminals and people from Cuba's mental hospitals. Castro arranged for the inclusion of criminals and people with mental illness among the political and economic refugees in order to rid Cuba of undesirables and to damage the image of Cuban exiles.[citation needed] United States media accounts such as a May 11, 1980 New York Times article, and the 1983 movie Scarface, suggested that the refugees consisted largely of undesirables.

[smirkymonkey]

33. Completely agree.

[hifiguy]

2. This is absolutely intolerable

in any society that claims the mantle of civilization.

This catastrophic thinking has resulted in religious insanity that says girls should be taught their place in the streets and public spaces, to push them into donning the veil and push them out of the public sphere. Their rationale is that if women feel safe on the streets, they will be tempted to commit the sin of immodesty. By that virtue, harassment becomes a noble religious goal.

Ship 'em out yesterday.

[pampango]

31. "Ship 'em out yesterday." Almost sounds like mass deportation. Who do we 'ship out'?

The criminals? All the men? All the young men? Men, women and children? Maybe we should build a massive wall to keep out the 'rapists and drug dealers' and get Turkey or ISIS or Syria to pay for it!

[smirkymonkey]

34. Hear, hear!

[geek tragedy]

3. It bears noting that this is Europe's problem not ours nt

[Coventina]

5. Thanks to Obama not accepting single men of fighting age. A WISE descision!!

But, sisterhood is global and I'm outraged that this is happening to my German sisters.

[Dems to Win]

6. +1000

[hifiguy]

8. One of the President's sagest decisions.

Women, children and families, yes. Single adult young males, no freaking way.

[geek tragedy]

12. Thanks mostly to the Atlantic Ocean. nt

[840high]

22. ....x10+

[smirkymonkey]

35. +1000

[get the red out]

52. Thank you

I am too much of a feminist to close my eyes to the difficulties of women world-wide. It is the biggest reason I don't consider myself a "good liberal".

[scarletwoman]

13. It's a problem for western culture and western democracies in general, and liberalism in particular.

If the Right rises to power all over Europe as a result of the citizens' outrage over these events, the effects will be felt here in the U.S. as well.

[hifiguy]

48. And the left is handing this issue to the far-right

on a silver platter by refusing to acknowledge the problem and trying to make cheap virtue points instead of addressing the VERY legitimate safety concerns of women across Europe.

Stupidity to the hundredth power.

[moondust]

7. Round 'em up, ship 'em out.

Publicize a new zero tolerance policy: one strike and you're out effective __/__/2016. Call out the national guard/whatever as necessary. Fingerprint them on the way out to prevent re-entry. Boom.

[pampango]

32. Round who up? Ship who out? It should be easier than the mass deportation of our 'illegal immigrants

anyway.

Should the Germans go after every foreigner? Every Muslim? (Germans going after those of a particular religion because it is 'alien to our culture'. How historic!) Just the recent arrivals? Just those who have committed crimes? Just the men? Just the young men - under 30, 40, 50, 60? Men, women and children?

Perhaps Germany should build a magnificent wall to keep them from returning.

one strike and you're out

Germany is toughening its laws on the deportation of asylum seekers who commit crimes.

[moondust]

42. Anybody participating in sexual assault duh. n/t

[pampango]

45. I would agree with that. The OP seemed to be addressing all Muslim men as equally guilty. n/t

[iandhr]

9. What is happening is horrific.

If I was a refuge fleeing a war zone I would like to think I would be grateful to the nation that saved my life.

[malaise]

10. Enough with the racist generalizations

They sure are succeeding with divide and rule.

[cpwm17]

29. The Germans can't be blamed for being concerned about large gangs of newly arriving immigrants

engaging in criminal and disgusting behavior.

[malaise]

30. No they can't but we all know that many of hte disgusting things being done by

SOME recent arrivals continue to be done by home grown louts.

[rollin74]

11. I agree 100%

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women should not be expected to sacrifice their safety or freedom in the name of being accepting of other cultures. Europe is in a lot of trouble if it continues down the current path

[treestar]

43. What about native German assaulters

Who are of course more numerous by several multiples.

[hifiguy]

49. I don't think so.

This article is written by an Egyptian grad student living in Germany:

http://www.indiatimes.com/news/world/taharrush-the-sickening-and-terrifying-arab-rape-game-that-is-spreading-across-europe-249466.html

[betterdemsonly]

14. That is because Steinem, Walsh, Marcotte, and Pollitt aren't demagogues pretending to be liberals

and using sexual assault from a few bad eggs to justify discrimination against whole groups.

[840high]

23. 500++ assaults. Stop trying

to justify.

[treestar]

44. Yes

Any group can commit assaults. Many have been committed by others since them by native geans who can't be deported. No one cares about those.

[Skittles]

57. "a few bad eggs"

it is sounding like WAY more than a few

[smirkymonkey]

61. Go away troll, you obviously hate women and anyone who advocates

for them. That is the only reason you are sticking up for these animals.

[tabasco]

16. My fiancee works as a nurse in a German hospital

She usually votes SPD, which is sort of the German equivalent of the Democratic Party. But she will not be voting SPD or CDU next time. She's really pissed about the massive influx of immigrants and so are most of her co-workers.

[840high]

24. I hope your fiancee remains safe.

[davidn3600]

19. Anyone with a brain saw this coming a mile away.....but were called racists

You can't take millions of people of a completely different culture and religion and just plop them down into a modern, western democracy and expect them to simply assimilate and live happily ever after. That doesn't happen. Especially since you refuse to criticize their culture.

The OP is 100% correct. Cultural relativism is killing the left. And the right wing is going to inevitably rise to power because of it.

[bdwker]

20. What happened to "Welcome Refugees " signs from a few wks ago ???

If Germany goes, you can kiss Europe good bye.

[Dems to Win]

26. Cologne Changed Everything

Angela Merkel’s domestic security crisis
Cologne attacks ‘changed everything’ in German perceptions of migrants.
By MATTHEW KARNITSCHNIG 1/10/16, 11:18 PM CET
http://www.politico.eu/article/angela-merkel-domestic-security-crisis-cologne-refugees-debate-criminals-protests/

BERLIN — For months, many Germans have worried that the exodus of refugees into their country would upend their comfortable existence, straining state coffers and public services. Now, they worry something even more dear is at stake: their safety.

In the wake of the New Year’s Eve attacks on hundreds of women by foreigners in Cologne and other cities, Angela Merkel’s greatest challenge has shifted from convincing Germans they can shoulder the burden of more than 1 million newcomers to reassuring her citizens she can keep them safe.

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The cover of the weekly Der Spiegel, which hit newsstands on Saturday, carried a fuzzy picture of the chaos on the square under the headline: “Germany on the Brink.”

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At a meeting of the CDU’s executive board in Mainz over the weekend, Merkel and other party leaders were told the mood among the party base over the refugee crisis had hit a new low. The attacks changed “everything,” said Volker Bouffier, CDU chief in the state of Hesse.

You're right, if Germany goes hard right the EU will be in turmoil. And influence the US. It's just one of the reasons I think it's worth paying attention.

[Lee-Lee]

60. Even a homeless shelter will send people who don't follow the rules back on the street

When someone goes out of their way to help you, the quickest way to end that help is behave like an ass.

You are seeing it on a national scale now.

And the sad thing is there is and will be for decades loads of right wing "we told you so". And depending on how things are handled in Germany this could push politics there to the right for decades- especially if the refugees there now remain there and don't assimilate.

[840high]

21. Thank you. Bookmarking.

[dhill926]

25. "How much freedom and safety are women expected to sacrifice in the name of multiculturalism?"

In short....none....

[840high]

27. ...^ that

[scarletwoman]

28. Exactly. "None." nt

[smirkymonkey]

36. None. This has gone too far.

These people should be grateful, instead they are creating a nightmare for their host population.

[Igel]

39. I'm going to guess that many of "these people"

believe that what they're getting is what they're owed.

Perhaps because "the West started it," perhaps because they're men and privileged, perhaps because they're Muslims and the "best nation", perhaps for some entirely other reason.

One does not typically feel gratitude for a debt paid and for merely putting things the way they should be. One says "thank you" but the level of gratitude is, at best, scant and often the thanks is pro forma and a courtesy gesture.

This, of course, is fairly cross-cultural and applies to Arab cultures as well as to most American cultures. Except that in many subcultures, one doesn't even say "thank you" as a gesture of courtesy because rude rules.

[smirkymonkey]

40. What? Rape?

You are so out of line I don't even know to respond to you.

[FLPanhandle]

37. +1000

But there are some here that think differently (one or two are obvious).

[DFW]

47. Zero

German women are the last ones that need to be told to adapt their behavior in their own cities in their own country. No one has the right to demand that of German women any more than they have the right to demand that women in Saudi Arabia walk around in bikinis.

[Dawson Leery]

54. None.

The thugs deserve to go back and live in the war zone.

[FLPanhandle]

38. Merkel failed in her primary job as the leader of Germany

She put immigrants concerns over the safety of her own citizens. A leader's first priority should be to their own citizens. She sacrificed not only the safety of her citizens but the financial stability of her country.

She should be removed and will be.

[smirkymonkey]

41. Exactly!

[DFW]

46. It is not the place of Bernie, Hillary or Martin to wade into this

Any more than it is Merkel's or Gabriel's place to get involved in our health care or student loan debates.

We are all facing very different local situations, and would be wise to stick with offering suggestions on how to solve our own problems rather than Merkel's. Obviously our candidates deplore the situation facing German women just as my German friends deplore the situation of Americans stuck with student loans that plague their financial situation for decades. Our trigger-happy cops would have handled the Köln situation differently, no doubt. Maybe with some unpleasant "collateral damage," too. The Germans certainly handle the financing of University educations for their citizens differently as well. But both are issues that need to be addressed locally, not by politicians from overseas, especially ones in the middle of an election campaign. Kudos to Sanders, Clinton and O'Malley for (so far, anyway) realizing this.

[Dems to Win]

55. I definitely understand and respect your point of view

But Trump has talked about it in regard to the Syrian refugee/all Muslims must be kept out issue. It's a pretty big news story on this side of the pond. San Bernardino has brought into focus the regs for accepting people into the country.

Cologne rightly strikes fear into women's hearts. A thousand men gathered to assault women in a systematic, organized way, with a method.

Bernie has a couple of standard lines he says, that it's our moral duty to accept refugees, and he will do that as Pres (applause)

I agree with him, he's my guy. But I think he could add a preface (maybe not every time he gives the speech, but at least get it out there on the record)

We've all seen the news of the horrific mass sexual assaults in Germany. As a proud feminist, I'm outraged that this happened to so many victims, and hope that the perpetrators are brought to justice. The authorities say it was conducted by men who'd arrived into Germany with the recent wave of refugees. The assaults were of such scale and organization as to be unprecedented, so I know these reports could cause Americans to worry. Of course we want to do everything we can to make sure it never happens here.

Let me be perfectly clear: the program bringing Syrian refugees into our country is completely different. Refugees arriving in the US have spent a year, even two, living in a refugee camp overseas, waiting to be fully vetted. The refugees coming into our country are coming as family units, unlike the large numbers of single men admitted into Germany without any vetting, many not even from the warzone at all. The UN has asked the US to accommodate 65,000 refugees per year, compared to the million accepted by Germany without vetting in just a few months. There is no need to fear this modest number of refugee families entering via a careful admission process.

[DFW]

56. My point was that the events in Köln, Hamburg and Stuttgart are specific to Germany

German cops are reluctant to get physical at all, ever, especially since the street cops are completely unprepared to act. They are good at getting tough on illegally parked cars or half-conscious drunks. It is a completely different situation where I live from than the one in the USA, and to my knowledge, none of the three candidates for our nomination speaks German or has lived there. Therefore, any comments they make off the cuff are likely to embarrass them by use of faulty assumptions. I applaud all 3 for not falling into this trap.

As the lone male in a family of four where the other three are self-assured German women, the last thing I need to see is their self-confidence shattered by a brutal assault on the street somewhere. Köln is just down the road (40 Km) from the Düsseldorf area, where we are, and it could just as easily have happened in our town instead. For all I know, maybe it did, but on such a small scale that we never heard about it, as we were in the States at the time.

What the USA does will have no bearing on us, where 1 million of these people are already in our midst. The USA has the luxury of having the Atlantic separating us from Europe. You can reach Greek territory from Turkey in a rowboat, and many do. Cape Cod is a different story.

[Yo_Mama]

58. Really. This is a German problem to be handled by the German government and people.

To some extent a European one, as well.

The US should leave it alone. I don't know what we could do to help, really. Yip-yapping around would surely just make things worse.

[bdwker]

50. I'm confused..

Is that...

Arab
Muslim
or Islamists?

[valerief]

51. Bill. Maher. Is. Right. Again. nt

[Dawson Leery]

53. kick

The boarders are must be closed, sadly.

[smirkymonkey]

62. "We'd better wake up before cultural relativism kills the left"

*This*