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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAll Hollywood stars who oppose racism should BOYCOTT OSCAR NIGHT!
ALL of them.
And Chris Rock should stand down as host(announcing the decision at the start of the evening on live tv, if possible).
They should all be outside the ceremony with signs.
That's the only hope there is of ever changing the totally out-of-touch Academy Awards voting community, and making sure that no disgraces like this year's all-Aryan nominee list will ever be repeated.
Kablooie
(18,625 posts)CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)A group of actors and actresses made the nominations. They made them based on the films they saw. A lot of them did not see the two movies with strong performances by african american actors. Yes, that group needs to have a lot of new blood to change things but to make such a big deal out of the results of a vote is stupid.
The fault lies in the lack of good parts and good performances. Period. Even Denzel Washington has started to do some shit like The Equalizer.
And as for Chris Rock giving up a job. What are you, fucking high? One thing is for sure you got to be white to have so much anger over this.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Even if they all voted without the tiniest bit of bias, how would you suggest sending a message to Hollywood in general about this? Boycotting the casting directors' ball?
Odd claim that only white people would be angry about this. African Americans started the protest--and I agree with them.
GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)Phase 1 is Nominations where only the people in your category vote. So actors nominate performance for Best Actor and Best Supporting Actor.
Then the nominations are announced, 5 noms in each category.
Phase 2 is all the Academy members, in theory, sees all of the nominated performances (that they haven't already seen) and then vote on everything, inside and outside of their categories.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)James Schamus Reveals Secrets of the Oscar Voting System
http://variety.com/2014/film/awards/james-schamus-reveals-secrets-of-the-oscar-voting-system-exclusive-1201037087/
merrily
(45,251 posts)GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)The films that are not seen by >90% of the voting members have much less chance of making it through the nominations process. The films that everyone saw, however mediocre they may be, have a great chance at getting nominations relative to those that were seen by 70% or less of the voting members.
merrily
(45,251 posts)"If I'm an actor," I am hearing buzz about good performances and reading about them in trade publications. Also, most films that contain good performances are good films. So, why am I not seeing these films, even if am not getting them in the mail?"
That is one issue. The other is, how do we impact casting directors, if not by making a statement about these Oscars? Boycotting movies entirely seems draconian. We'd put a lot of innocent people out of work. Maybe I am prejudiced about that because a close family member is a camera operator, although most of his work is in TV.
vaberella
(24,634 posts)But they want White men and White women in the role versus Black, Asian, or Latino ones.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)And I don't begrudge him an occasional paycheck; i liked him in this sort of role a lot more than Liam Neeson.
Bryant
merrily
(45,251 posts)Watching the red carpet before the show while eating Chinese food is my favorite part of the Oscars and I don't think my conscience will let me do even that.
As for Chris Rock, he is contractually obligated and I'm pretty sure he's African American. He would really "never work again in this town" if he broke his contract that way.
romanic
(2,841 posts)To think a boycott would make an impact is a pipe dream.
The problem isnt the Oscars, its the aftermath of the problem. Hollywood does'nt make enough roles for black actors/actresses or any other minority out there. The roles that are out there usually tie into the actor's race (12 Years a Slave for example) which limits the talent of said actors.
It's up to black celebrities to create thier own companies and roles imo. Break the barriers themselves instead of asking the Academy to do it. To expect White Hollywood to change because of a little boycott is useless.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Would you support having one slot set aside in each category for a non-white person?
Action_Patrol
(845 posts)That's the only hope there is of ever changing the totally out-of-touch Academy Awards voting community, and making sure that no disgraces like this year's all-Aryan nominee list will ever be repeated.
Blame their peers.
Blue_Adept
(6,397 posts)While I would have liked to have seen a bit more included, and rightly so, the problem is far more the material available than the performances.
Perhaps if folks had more than three names to hold up as potential nominees, and just in best actor category and just men, then I might take the complaints more seriously.
Frankly, a lot of the general posting about it (as opposed to some well written articles) comes from people who don't actually go to or watch movies or are truly critical of them. They just go for entertainment and that's it.
I'm still ticked that my best movie of last year didn't make the list with Ex Machina, which should have gotten Oscar Isaac a nod for that as well.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)And not just actors and actresses; directors, producers, editors, technical artists, and the like - all should be punished.
Bryant
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Burn the theaters!
GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)Boycotts only apply to things we buy, like bus service or products. An effective boycott tells the offending party what they need to do in order to end the boycott and then maintains the boycott (not buying the service or product) until the desired change is made.
Celebrities aren't the customer for the Oscars. They are the product. Similarly, us, the audience for the Oscars is not the customer but rather what is being sold. TV sells audiences to advertisers. If TV was KFC we would be the chickens.
What performances do you think were the most overlooked and which nominees would you replace with them?
And how did the Golden Globes escape this protest?
http://www.goldenglobes.com/winners-nominees
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Not to mention, who actually gives a single, solitary fuck about the Oscars any more?
Javaman
(62,510 posts)primarily because of the institutionalized voting system.
most of the voting members of the academy are very old and are completely unknown by us.
on top of that, may of the voters get dozens upon dozens of moves to watch each year to vote on.
from the very good to the obscenely bad.
most, in reality, never watch the movies. they usually give them to their relatives to watch.
generally, they vote the status quo.
how do I know this? while I'm not a voting member of the academy, I have several friends who are and are so overwhelmed by movies to watch, they usually get burnt out on them.
here is my prediction: within the next 5 to 10 years, the "face" of the academy awards and the nominees will change dramatically. granted, there will be some of the same old "traditional" crap when it comes to the actual show and it's presentation, but those directly involved in the voting and choosing of the nominees will change.
Why?
because the last of the "old guard" will die off and there will be younger members voting.
Hollywood is a giant aircraft carrier that takes 5 to 10 miles to slow down just to turn around. It's coming
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)ignoring his sublime portrayal of Clubber Lang.
This endemic racism in the Oscars is not a new phenomenon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocky_III