OH BOY! I just spoke to my son in Del. He's firmly convinced that the best candidite is TRUMP!

[napi21]

He said, "He's not a politician so he MIGHT change things. ANY OF THE OTHERS would just continue the screwed up mess we have."

I'm sorry guys. I really tried, but I failed. The only good part of the story is that his wife can't vote (because she is here with a green card) so at least it will only be one vote from that house.

[Human101948]

1. Can you write him out of your will?

This calls for drastic measures!

[Drahthaardogs]

2. Trump is a fascist. Trump is a fascist!

Repeat it. Why no one will pick up this message is beyond me. He sounds like Hitler or Mussolini I their day. Tell everyone Trump is a fascist.

[EL34x4]

8. Hitler and Mussolini were popularly elected.

You can shout it from the rooftops but history has shown that people like fascists.

[hueymahl]

3. Ouch!

Unconditional love is hard sometimes! Especially for those that have gone (hopefully just) temporarily insane.

[imanamerican63]

4. Don't feel bad!

My parents raised us to be objective and honest! They had 9 kids and I would say some of them fell off porch and hit their heads while growing up ( ) and are now republicans. My mother and I don't even talk politics when they are around, but they start in saying how the democratic party ruined the country. So, you can only do so much and then their on their own!

[Yupster]

5. Take him on a free trip to Paris

that might just happen to be in November. You must vote absentee of course. No cost is too great.

[Takket]

6. explain to him that, even if he's frustrated with politicas as usual...

That nuking the country is not the answer.

[hughee99]

7. Look on the bright side, it's not that he likes Trump, it's just that he has such a low opinion of

the other candidates. Maybe there's a chance he'll come around as the candidates get more exposure.

[littlewolf]

22. This is a good point .. it is a long time till Nov. eom

[TeamPooka]

9. Maybe you could have another kid and start over. Do it right this time. :) nt

[onecent]

41. You got any kids jack-off?????? I doubt it.....or you would not be so

fucking hateful to the person that posted this.

Dick

[TeamPooka]

45. Dick, I think you're adorable. Your name is Dick right? That's how you signed your post. nt

[shanti]

57. Class act

Seriously

[MH1]

49. Lighten up, Francis. nt.

[KamaAina]

10. His neighbor LynneSin may have to give him a stern talking-to

[Orsino]

11. Trump fan married to a green card holder seems an unusual pairing. n/t

[napi21]

14. He was working in Italy for 11 years. He met his wife after being there for about 3 years.

When the company he worked for lost the contract, he came back to the States. He made all the arrangements for her to get a green card and she returned here with him. Not really so weird.

I guess I've been fighting a loosing battle with him and his politics though. When he was in the Navy and Clinton was prez, he hated him. He blamed Clinton for all the military cutbacks which affected HIS ability to do his job...no parts available etc. I tried to explain to him that we were no longer at war and didn't need the huge military then, but even though it was congress who cut the $$, it was the top brass that chose where and what to cut, but it didn't matter, he still blames Clinton.

He now blames Obama for what he has to pay for Health Care. I admit, his costs are TERRIBLE! Just 2 people, no dependents, both healthy mid 40', but making too much to get a subsidy. He pays $1,500 a MONTH! He's checked with all the different ins. cos. but they're all within $15.00 of one another. He wasn't here when the ins. companies wre going mad with raising their premiums by several hundred dollars a year, so what he sees is Obama Care causing is nightmare.

I think I'm just going to have to resign myself to the fact that he's not a Dem and never will be.

[Orsino]

15. The Right pays hate radio people to babysit our most vulnerable voters...

...feeding them predigested victim hood narratives, burps them, then puts them to bed with Fox on TV.

Facts and figures mentioned in casual conversation don't stand a chance. It takes a village.

[JudyM]

51. +1000000. Nt

[Jim Beard]

23. My sons company health insurance didn't go up but it did cut the benefits.

He has to stay since his employer has more than 50 people plus he doesn't qualify for medicaid. I want to hear good things about Obama care but where there is no Medicaid, it is bad, plus the employer doesn't pay any either.

Maybe it will get better.

[bigbrother05]

37. Bringing up single payer might be an opening for you

He's had a strong military indoctrination to be anti-Dem, so it will be hard to get through to. Going from the military benefits to working on contract in Europe has given him a skewed view of US health care costs.

[napi21]

40. You got that right! Even I have to admit the European plans I know about are MUCH, MUCH better

that the US. There are also some very interesting differences regarding distribution of drugs. The FDA is pretty crazy with it's restrictions. In the EU many, many, antibiotics are OTC and cost is the US equivalent of about $10.00. My DIL finds it VERY hard to understand why you have to get a script here. Even things like heart worm pills for your doggies require a vet. script but in the EU they do not.

To say that he has a skewed view of US health care is putting it mildly, and it's affected my views as well.

There are things about life in the EU that I DON'T like, and I think my son feels that way too, but when you get into the medical field theirs is a tough plan to try to fight against.

[maxsolomon]

38. when you said he was in the Military, the picture started to make more sense

of course, the US military is about the most Socialist institution in the nation.

[Jim Beard]

58. I finally decided to forget about politics with my son because I am in my late 60Ss

and want to enjoy my son, daughter-in-law, and the most wonderful grandsons. Its time for them to make decisions for their future.

[EL34x4]

39. Not really.

Two of Trump's wives had green cards.

[Reter]

56. No, he always liked pretty European Christian women

Those will be allowed to stay.

[Octafish]

12. Build a bridge to him...

...not a wall from him.

Start out by explaining how you understand his concerns about politics. Confirm that you agree: Trump is not a politician. Explain how Trump seems like he understands the challenges facing the nation and citizens. Then explain how he doesn't.

How? Tell the truth.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

13. Your son will be voting for Trump in a relatively reliable BLUE state.

[Arugula Latte]

16. I don't believe this story.

Everyone knows Delaware is not a real place.



I kid! I kid! I like Delaware and it has great beaches.

Sorry about your son. Jeez Louise.

[woodsprite]

53. Yup! It's kinda like Brigadoon. Should probably be spelled "Dela-where"

when I tell people where I'm from, they sometimes ask what state that's in.

[Jim Beard]

17. My son votes for almost the most radical office holder in this area

He kinda goes both ways, it is just he knows the radical office holder really well. What can I say?

[Whiskeytide]

18. I make a simple argument to my Trumpy republican friends...

... who are tired of the DC circus.

Bernie has been a public servant since before 1981, a congressman since 1990, and a senator since 2007. That's 35 years in politics, and 26 years in national politics. During that time he has served on the Committee on the Budget (Ranking Member), the Committee on Environment and Public Works, the Committee on Energy and Natural Resources, the Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions and the Committee on Veterans' Affairs - along with perhaps a dozen or so sub-committees.

And he is NOT a billionaire. Or even a millionaire.

I'm gonna say that again, real slow so it sinks in..... HE IS NOT FILTHY RICH AFTER DECADES IN DC POLITICS...

Name one - just ONE - other candidate in EITHER primary for whom - given that long history of public service - you think this would be true. Juuuuuust one. I have a few minutes.

He has been an independent for most of his political career. NOT a democrat or a republican. He is beholding to almost no one - including the big shots in the established parties - except the people.

He is a social democrat. That means he believes we should be taking care of people. You may not like everything you think you know about "socialism", and you may not agree with the way it tries to take care of people - but the political opposite of taking care of "people" is taking care "corporate interests" - meaning lobbyist, payoffs, side deals and corruption. That's not you and me.

So....

... If you want to nuke the political elite in DC with an "outsider" bomb, do you want it to be one that is a cut-throat, celebrity billionaire who would sell out his own mother to get a deal done if it benefits HIM, who has no track record of giving a shit about anyone except himself, and who believes in and has written books about back room deals and politics as usual, and how he has used such politics as usual to build his Trumpire ...

...or one like Sanders?
_______________

I'm not converting any of them, mind you, but they don't have a reply yet.

[Vinca]

19. Did you ask your son what he finds so horrible that it must be changed?

They keep saying they want their country back . . . back to what? The last GOP president just about destroyed it.

[napi21]

43. Check my post (#14) in this thread. That's the BIGGEST problem, because it hits HIM so hard.

I've come to realize that Obama care is GREAT for the low income, but if you make $40-50m a year, it horrible! It's unbelievably expensive in premiums, and the deductible of $2000 to $5,000 PER PERSON in CRAZY! There's just nothing I can say to make it better for him. Yes, I agree, Bernie has the best solution to HC, single payer. But I'm truly stumped when someone says, "What if Bernie wins but has to work with a Pubbie congress?" We all know he wouldn't be able to accomplish much. I think the same thing applies to Trump...who in Congress will work with him?

[reflection]

46. Might want to change that 'm' to a 'k'. n/t

[Jim Beard]

47. Thats what I am hearing from many and I can defend by saying If you were this or that

but hell, they need help now. I can defend some of the BLANKET changes but it is really screwing over the little guy. Just what the Supreme Court Justice wanted.

[treestar]

50. If he is in Delaware

I'm not sure. The plan I have has no such large deductible. If I made a lot more money, I would be paying what it is worth. If they don't get a subsidy, they make enough to pay it which is how I would feel is I made that much. The subsidies are based on budgets - the federal government has statistics on how much is poverty level, how much is cost of living, so it's doubtful that the subsidy isn't going to make it affordable for anyone. That's the whole point. (Affordable Care Act) I just don't see how he failed to get a good plan in Delaware. Unless he just doesn't want to pay for it. That's the problem with the ACA for some is that it makes them be in that market. Which is the sensible thing to do, but there were always people who would rather go without insurance and spend the money on other things. Until something goes wrong with their health.

[napi21]

52. You have a right to your own opinion for sure, but should health care payments

actually put you in the lower income sector? I guess you don't think $1,500 a month is a lot if you make $50,000 a year, but add to that $1,000/mo rent, food, utilities (no his rent does not include utilities), a car payment on a USED car, and taxes taken out of your pay, that doesn't leave you money to take your wife to dinner once in a while, maybe go to a movie.

I'm sorry, that just too much money to pay for HC. Not when other countries include it in their taxes. It's not just because he's my son. I say that about EVEYONE who has to pay such high premiums. If it were for some high end HC, like guaranteed no deductibles, no copays, always immediate care, I could understand, but there aren't other options that he's found. The $1,500 & the deductible is the best he could do. I can understand why some decide to go without health care. The cost is crazy, and if you don't own a house, or any valuable cars, why not? He doesn't look at it that way, and neither do I, but I can't fault him for blaming Obamacare & Obama.

If you have any suggestion on how to find a better deal, PLEASE LET ME KNOW!

[lancer78]

60. Aren't you exempt from the mandate

if the premiums exceed 10% of your gross income.

[napi21]

62. I don't know. What does exempt mean? You aren't mandated to buy ins? Or you get a reduced premium?

I honestly don't know. If it's that you don't get penalized for buying it, that's just stupid. He doesn't want to risk NOT having coverage. If it means you get a reduced premium, how do you get that? I know he checked the ACA web site, directly with the various companie, and several ins. brokers.

[lancer78]

64. Check out the plan I linked.

It is post #61.

[lancer78]

61. Look up this

https://www.ehealthinsurance.com/ehi/ifp/plan-details?planKey=1902:200225&productLine=IFP



Looks like an ok plan. You didn't tell us if he was a smoker. This plan is for someone that is 44 and is the only adult with no kids.

[cwydro]

20. No reason to think she'd vote as he does.

Surely she has her own mind?

[littlewolf]

24. green card … no vote … nt

[cwydro]

25. Yes, I understood that.

I was a little confused as to why the OP was glad she couldn't vote...apparently assuming she would vote the same as the Trump supporter.

[littlewolf]

26. oops sorry … good point … also perhaps she could

point out how a different candidate is a better choice.
sorry for my misunderstanding .

[cwydro]

29. No worries!

I somehow think she would not support that blowhard lol! But who knows?

[Jim Beard]

48. When there is no hope, lash out.....

[annabanana]

21. Has he NEVER had a nasty landlord?

. . .a nasty boss?

That's what Trump is on steroids..

[Shandris]

27. By talking over and over about how horrible everything is all the time, you get...

...a reaction from people that there is something wrong for there to be so much wrong. Why then is anyone surprised when, upon finding out that things are truly and well messed up, they don't think that voting more of the same people in is a good idea? I understand it's disappointing that your son wants Trump (dear God help us), and I totally sympathize. But this is pretty much something to be expected.

Think of it like this, from HIS point of view. He's seeing the equivalent of a McDonald's store with two cooks who keep continuously failing to make a simple Big Mac. Our suggestion to him is that maybe the cooks should change places. He thinks perhaps McDonald's should hire employees who will do the work they were hired to do. He's not being unreasonable, even if his candidate is.

Edit: Something about this post almost kept me from hitting Reply, but now I catch what it is. No good summation. I guess my point is that you haven't failed with him; rather, he's following the right procedure of thought, but he has bad inputs. But with sound procedure, the rest can be fixed. IE...he's not hopeless! Have heart!

[Initech]

28. Der Trumpenfuror would be the worst president ever!

He'd literally send America into a new dark age. His supporters are white supremacists and batshit crazy Infowars conspiracy theorists who want to overthrow Obama and plan the next Holocaust. It's frightening that he's actually a candidate.

[Erose999]

30. Disown him, cut your losses.

[bkkyosemite]

31. I was in sales and marketing in Silicon Valley ...What your son

does not understand is he is believing a sales pitch from a narcissistic egotistical idiot. Sales pitches have gotten people to buy many times unfortunately. Trump is a huge (and the MSM is helping him) info commercial for a very defective product.

Maybe if you talk to him about what Bernie want's for him he might listen.

[vaberella]

32. Your son is okay with all the sexist and racist things Donald Trump has said? n/t

[napi21]

44. No he's not. But that's not what he hears.

He doesn't pay close attention to politics like we do. He gets the highlights, or hears things at work. He's much more interested in a candidate NOT BEING A POLITICIAN than anything else. What the "politicians" say, he mostly ignores because far too many in the past have promised all kind of things they never delivered on. Sometimes they couldn't deliver because of opposition, and sometimes they never really intended to do those things in the first place. It was all pandering for voters.

[Person 2713]

54. What is Trumps healthcare plan your son likes so much if he is a one issue voter?

What was his healthcare insurance b4 ACA? Jus curious maybe I missed something & you already said
If so no need to reply

[Laffy Kat]

33. I am so sorry.

Some of us are lucky that our kids share our values and yet it doesn't always happen that way. Just love 'em that much harder anyway. That's all you can do.

[Ron Green]

34. Lots of reasonable people who know only a little about the "system" are in favor of Trump,

because he says, in plain terms, "truths" that elected politicians generally don't.

What we can hope is that, as time passes, the growing awareness within these people will be stronger in their favor to change candidates than is the threat to their identity that would result from abandoning Trump.

The other "non-establishment" candidate is of course Bernie Sanders.

Maybe your son is in this (not insignificant) group.

[leftyladyfrommo]

35. Oh, no. Traitor!

I'm glad I don't have kids.

[DFW]

36. I though all that poisoned water causing brain damage was in Michigan?

There must have been some seepage to Delaware. SO sorry!!

[Johonny]

42. Trump is the candidate least likely to change things

He is not a politician. He has no policy ideas. His presidency will be done via think tanks and lobbyists that are waiting to pour money into his businesses to influence his opinion. I think it's pretty obvious of all the candidates the amateur politician is the one most likely to be schooled by BIG BOY influences of Washington D.C.

[shanti]

59. Cheney

has a relatively new heart *gulp*

[840high]

55. I have one grandson for Trump and the older

one for Bernie. It makes for interesting discussions. In the end it's their vote - their decision.

[tiredtoo]

63. You may want to mention the conditions in Flint, Mi to him

Explain to him this is an example of what happens when you elect a for profit only business man to office.