Imam says Koln sex assault victims are to blame for the way they dressed and for wearing perfume

[Quantess]

Muslim cleric says Cologne sex attacks were the victims' fault because they wore PERFUME

A Cologne imam has said the victims of the New Years Eve mob sex attacks had themselves to blame because they wore perfume.
Sami Abu-Yusuf added that he was not surprised the girls were sexually assaulted, groped and raped, because of the way they dressed.
Hundreds of women were attacked by a mob of men in Cologne's city centre on New Years Eve, with the number of alleged sexual assaults now tallying up to 521, including three rapes.

'It is not surprising the men wanted to attack them. [Dressing like that] is like adding fuel to the fire'.

Sami Abu-Yusuf is the Imam of the Al Tawheed mosque in Cologne, preaching Salafism - an ultra-conservative form of Sunni Islam.
The mosque has been investigated by German intelligence in the past, and was raided in 2004 to break up a 'secret network of Arab Mujahideen', according to Breitbart.
This comes as German prosecutors say the number of complaints filed in connection with the New Years Eve attacks in Cologne has now passed 800.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3408033/Muslim-cleric-says-Cologne-sex-attacks-victims-fault-wore-PERFUME.html

[ChisolmTrailDem]

1. Oh fuck no, Imam. You don't go into another's home or country and start dictating to them...

...how you expect things to be. If you can't assimilate to your host country's culture, then don't cross any borders. That goes for any migration.

[NightWatcher]

2. Religion is to blame.

[dumbcat]

37. Religion is part of culture

Are some cultures bad?

[hifiguy]

61. Abso-freaking-lutely! nt

[tabasco]

3. Fuck off, Imam.

Go live somewhere that believes in your depraved morality.

[hollysmom]

4. well, then excuse me for wanting to beat up this Imam,

after all his mouth was begging for it.
Note, I am not a violent person, but really.

[KamaAina]

5. So "Sami Abu-Yusuf" is Arabic for Pat Robertson?

[daleanime]

52. +1

[Ace Rothstein]

6. The religion of peace, ladies and gentleman.

[Lizzie Poppet]

16. Religion of penis.

At least you'd better be equipped with one if you want to be treated as fully human.

Unless you're gay, of course...

[LanternWaste]

18. No more and no less than, "Men, ladies and gentlemen"

No more and no less than, "Men, ladies and gentlemen"

[get the red out]

32. YES

[Dems to Win]

7. Most likely a Wahhabi imam in a Saudi-funded mosque in Cologne

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Teaching the new arrivals all about Western women. Ain't multi-culturalism grand?

The vice-chancellor of Germany spoke out in December about the radical mosques financed by Saudi Arabia:

German Vice Chancellor warns Saudi Arabia over Islamist funding

German Vice Chancellor Sigmar Gabriel urged Saudi Arabia on Sunday to stop supporting religious radicals, amid growing concern among some lawmakers in Berlin about the funding of militant mosques by the world's biggest oil exporter.

snip...

"We need Saudi Arabia to solve the regional conflicts," Sigmar Gabriel, the head of the Social Democrats (SPD) who share power with conservative Chancellor Angela Merkel, told the mass-circulation newspaper Bild am Sonntag.

"But we must at the same time make clear that the time to look away is past. Wahhabi mosques are financed all over the world by Saudi Arabia. In Germany, many dangerous Islamists come from these communities," he said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-saudi-germany-idUSKBN0TP0H720151206

[hifiguy]

60. Almost certainly.

but we continue, as a government, to kiss the rings and asses of the Saudis.

The Europeans should just shut the Saudi-funded mosques down, seize them and deport any foreign born "clergy" back to KSA.

[Akicita]

65. "Shut the mosques down"? Deport the clergy? You sound just like Trump.

[hifiguy]

66. I'm referring to Gemany.

Not the US.

And you can do those sorts of things in Germany because of what happened between 1933 and 1945. You remember, don't you? The guy with the Charlie Chaplin moustache who wanted to conquer the world? The Germans generally don't take this kind of hate shit lying down and that is exactly what it is.

[pampango]

68. Many liberal Germans are also sensitive about treating 21st century Muslims like 20th century Jews -

an alien religion/ethnicity that does not belong in Germany. The German far-right is quite comfortable banning/deporting Muslims - just like Trump would do here. Liberals have been more welcoming to the refugees and, I think, are looking for a way to integrate the vast majority of them into German society, while punishing those - Imams and others - who violate the law.

I think the German government should do what is legal there to punish this Imam, and obviously any criminals who attack women, gays, etc., but going after every Muslim for punishment/deportation as an "alien religion" goes too far.

[hifiguy]

70. No one is ascvocating concentration camps

much less genocide, so don't be disingenuous. And getting them - at least the single young-adult males - the hell out of Germany is neither.

[pampango]

72. Just mass deportation rather than concentration camps. That's progress, I guess.

And getting them - at least the single young-adult males - the hell out of Germany ...

So deport all single (proof?), young-adult (20, 30, 40 ...) Muslim males - recent arrivals only I hope - even if they qualify are refugees under international law and have done nothing wrong? If Germany deports all those convicted of crimes and only allows genuine refugees to stay, I fully support that.

[CanonRay]

78. This ^

We need to start shutting this Wahhabi shit down.

[smirkymonkey]

79. I heartily agree with that. Any extremist mosques should be shut down and hate-preaching Imams

deported. Only moderate and liberal congregations should be tolerated.

[Hortensis]

8. Stop and look in both directions before proceeding!

No doubt there are "imams" out there spouting crap like this, because there always are, but so far only right-wing trash media are reporting this, at least in this trolling-for-outrage way.

Perspective is good. How many hundreds of millions of Muslims despise people like this?

[Quantess]

11. I don't know, but it would be interesting to see some poll results

I would be interested to know what percentage of practicing muslims agree with his statements.

[snooper2]

12. are there are plenty polls, just use the googles- like this one

BBC Radio (2015): 45% of British Muslims agree that clerics preaching violence against the West represent "mainstream Islam".
http://www.comres.co.uk/polls/bbc-radio-4-today-muslim-poll/

[pampango]

19. "Nine in ten (93%) British Muslims believe that Muslims in Britain should always obey British laws."

- One in nine (11%) British Muslims feel sympathetic towards people who want to fight against western interests while 85% do not.
- Almost all Muslims living in Britain feel a loyalty to the country (95%). Just 6% say they feel a disloyalty.

http://www.comres.co.uk/polls/bbc-radio-4-today-muslim-poll/

Thanks for the link.

[Hortensis]

22. Yes, Snooper, but the goal in looking should

be enlightenment, wisdom, good judgment. Pampango's search brings us far closer to reality. Vetting sources is critical.

[cpwm17]

63. I can play that game:

Who are the violent ones? US foreign policy proves who most supports violence in this world, and it is reflected in who values human life the least:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/157067/views-violence.aspx

While the majority of world citizens agree that military attacks targeting civilians are never justified, a decade after 9/11, there is a wide range in the level of support for this view. A clear majority in Asia and MENA (Middle East and North Africa) find military attacks against civilians unacceptable. This is not surprising considering the acute conflicts raging in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, and other parts of the Middle East.

In contrast, regionally, residents of the U.S. and Canada are most likely to say that military attacks against civilians are sometimes justified. Americans are the most likely population in the world (49%) to believe military attacks targeting civilians is sometimes justified, followed by residents of Haiti and Israel (43%).

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[FrodosPet]

20. Here's one who does not

[cloudbase]

33. That imam is okay by me.

I wonder how long it will be before somebody tries to kill him for preaching apostasy.

[LittleBlue]

48. Wow

We need this guy to come to the west and educate our public officials on what to do about extremism. Our leaders are totally reactive and many can't even grasp an understanding of the problems.

[smirkymonkey]

82. Wow, I'm impressed. There need to be more like him.

It's the ones preaching hate that I have a problem with.

[JudyM]

9. It was planned in advance. This wasn't about a bunch of individual men suddenly losing their minds.

[demmiblue]

10. Fuck You

[Whiskeytide]

24. My new favorite YouTube upload....

... sooooooooooo many potential internet uses ......

Thanks for posting it.

[pampango]

13. And the head of the Russian Orthodox Church blames gays for the rise of ISIS.

Religious leaders are often so out of touch with reality that their 'analysis' is unhinged.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027545299

[Nuclear Unicorn]

41. deflect deflect deflect

[pampango]

46. Conservative religious leaders blaming the victims is hardly "deflecting".

There are conservative religious leaders here who blame social ills on gays, liberated women, etc.

The Imam in this OP should be punished/deported, if that is legal in Germany. I wish we could punish/deport a few RW religious leaders in the US.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

57. So you don't want to blame entire groups -- until you do.

[pampango]

59. I don't consider conservative religious leaders to represent an entire racial or ethnic group.

I certainly would not blame entire groups for the actions of their 'leaders' or a fraction of the members of their group.

A desire to punish/deport an Imam or criminals who attack women is not blaming entire groups of people (that would be collective punishment) but blaming guilty individuals.

[Behind the Aegis]

47. Yup!

Here is that thread on DU: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027545299

Note the lack of interest and the lack of "controversy" involved in discussing it.

[Dr. Strange]

74. Wow.

Quite the contrast.

[Lizzie Poppet]

14. Dear Imam Abu-Ysuf:

Feel free to eat a nice, big, pork-fat-smeared bag of dicks, you superstitious gasbag.

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[hifiguy]

26. + a googolplex. Nt

[Paladin]

15. If you've seen one radically fundamentalist religion, you've seen them all. (nt)

[FrodosPet]

23. No you haven't

False equivalence alert.

Yes, there are similarities in ideology. But one religion above all others has the highest percentage of adherents who follow the most destructive and oppressive interpretations of their religion.

[leftynyc]

35. More magical balance fairy bullshit

I would think at this point posters like you would be embarrassed to use this nonsense to make a ridiculous point.

[Nye Bevan]

50. I saw one religion where a father participated in the stoning of his own daughter for adultery.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/sickening-isis-video-shows-moment-4475785

And I saw another religion where the owners of a business didn't want to pay for health coverage for their employees that included abortion.

So yes, pretty much the same.

[cheapdate]

17. Well, the Imam is clearly an asshole.

[DetlefK]

21. Ah. The old "men-are-just-raunchy-animals" excuse.

Men cannot be trusted to behave around women because men are emotional, hormone-driven, out-of-control animals. And that's why we have to restrict women.

[hifiguy]

25. I wonder what the apologists will say

about this statement straight from the horse's ass?

[KittyWampus]

30. This is such a lousy situation in so many ways. My hope are a lot of people

manage to evolve together at an accelerated rate.

It's like the Far Right from both religions are playing a game of 'who can be the biggest inciteful jerk'.

[TheMastersNemesis]

27. Thi Kind Of News Plays Into GOP Hands.

Even though GOPPERS are really no better on women's rights this Imams pronouncements play right into the GOP's hands. I would understand if the Europeans sent them all back. And if that is the way they want to act they wear out their welcome. And this Imam makes the refugees less welcome.

[Quantess]

31. It also plays into RW nationalists' hands

in Europe.

The more liberal parties know this, which is why there has been a hush-hush underreporting from the media, and the police have been intentionally quiet. The cat is out of the bag, now.

Just watch: the RW nationalists will gain popularity and win elections in every european country. I think it's a travesty that the RW nationalists are gaining power, but, the liberal and mainstream parties are out of touch and extremely naive when it comes to immigration policies.

[hifiguy]

62. They value cheaply-bought virtue points

for "tolerance" over the lives of the women and LGBT people who actually vote for them.

This is the most despicable thing I have seen the democratic left ever do.

[Quantess]

67. The cynical side in me... and I am pretty cynical

says that money and power are the only things that matter, politically. Power to obtain more power and more money. Money to assert power and to obtain more money. Money and power are all anything is about, regarding human civilizations.

Why do our European leaders insist on importing people from wildly different cultures? In Sweden there is already an underclass consisting of immigrants. Just immigrants. It seems as though Swedish politicians want to create a permanent underclass. Is the intent for cheap labor? I doubt it, since there is no demand for cheap labor nowadays in Sweden.

I can't figure it out. Swedish politicians are stupid, and they are about to get voted out.

[pampango]

69. "Swedish politicians want to create a permanent underclass" of immigrants? That's what liberals want

in Sweden? I doubt it.

I can't figure it out. Swedish politicians are stupid, and they are about to get voted out.

The far-right in Sweden will benefit is 'stupid' liberal Swedish politicians are voted out.

[Quantess]

85. That's what I am wondering, when I see our politicians act the way they do.

A permanent underclass is what we already have in sweden.

[KittyWampus]

28. Using his own logic- he's to blame if someone assaults him for his clothing/beard/habits

[Lizzie Poppet]

34. *mic drop*

Damn...that is a terrific observation!

[Mendocino]

77. My thoughts exactly

I was going to post something similar, but stopped to read all the responses. Damn You

[smirkymonkey]

86. That would never occur to the narrow minded moron.

What a disgusting pig.

[philosslayer]

29. Breitbart? Really? Why no mainstream coverage?

I've only seen this reported in right wing rags. This was supposedly an interview given to a Russian media outlet, as reported by Breitbart. Really? That qualifies as "news" on DU these days?

Until I see this in a more reputable publication, I will withhold judgement.

[leftynyc]

36. How about

The Nation:

http://nation.com.pk/international/21-Jan-2016/cologne-sex-attacks-victims-fault-because-they-wore-perfume-muslim-cleric

For the RT lovers:

http://www.rt-news.net/muslim-imam-cologne-rape-victims-deserved-attacks-because-they-wore-perfume.html

Would you like some more before you admit what's obvious to anyone who isn't invested in defending the indefensible? Those were from the first page of a google search. Nothing stopping you from doing the same instead of whining about a source.

[philosslayer]

40. Thank you

These are certainly better sources. My apologies, but I tend to ignore things that come from Breitbart without independent verification.

[philosslayer]

43. Interesting...

Upon further review .... This article sources Breitbart also. Surprising that The Nation considers Breitbart to be a reliable news source.

[leftynyc]

44. Maybe because video

doesn't lie no matter who posts it.

[philosslayer]

49. There's a video?

I looked. I couldn't find it. Regardless, I now know that Breitbart is considered a reliable news source on DU. It really is a brave new world.

[JI7]

38. maybe muslims should protest him

[hifiguy]

64. Right.

The heat death of the universe will arrive first.

[Baitball Blogger]

39. Deport the Imam too.

[leftynyc]

45. I was trying to figure out

if he was a citizen or not. I can't tell.

[romanic]

42. This Imam

needs to be locked in a room with a vent spraying in dollar store perfume; let's see how he reacts.

[thereismore]

51. Close down that mosque and all who think like him (i.e., almost all mosques). nt

[Dawson Leery]

53. Send this dirtbag Imam back to where it came from.

[Dems to Win]

54. Too bad this story is only covered by the right wing media

I understand why you're using DailyMail as the source, since no left wing media thinks the mass sexual assault of hundreds of women in the streets of Germany is worth covering.

I really wish MotherJones or someone would track down the Russion TV clip, get people with the proper language skills to translate it, and verify whether or not Breitbart is telling the truth about what the imam said.

And then write a kick ass feminist RANT about the entire sorry situation.

[romanic]

71. No one on the left-wing media will do that.

Because Islam is now a sacred cow that takes priority over women/lgbt communitiy, even the radical sect seems to be given a pass now. It make me sick.

[hifiguy]

73. unbelievable, isn't it?

I never, ever expected to live to see the day when women and LGBT people were thrown under the train by DUers just to score some cheap virtue points for "tolerance" of a hateful. woman-hating, backwards and barbaric belief system.

It's eye-opening, I tell you.

[liberalhistorian]

55. Fuck him and fuck his sexist hateful

twisted, distorted view of Islam. He and his followers have no right whatsoever to go into another country and demand that it follow their own sick, twisted theology or else. And they are making it very difficult for the tens of thousands of desperate, legitimate refugees who are fleeing persecution and murder in their own land and who have nowhere else to go, as well as taking advantage of one of the most welcoming nations in Europe.

[sakabatou]

56. Ugh....

[Ilsa]

58. Men practicing this brand of Islam (salafism) are WEAK.

WEAK-WILLED, WEAK-MINDED, bullies, assholes, and misogynists. Fuck them with pine cones. Big ones.

[steve2470]

75. Dear Cleric Sami Abu-Yusuf, go fuck yourself, thank you nt

[HassleCat]

76. Other things not surprising

When Bubba rams his pickup truck into a crowd of people outside a mosque, will the imam say the worshipers were at fault for displaying head scarves?

[Nevernose]

80. Why are so many religious leaders such assholes?

This guy? Huge asshole.
The Phelps family? Giant assholes.
That guy in Florida who wanted to burn Korans? Super big asshole.
The Hassidic Rabbis in Brooklyn who attack "immodest" women on the streets? I may sound like I'm a broken record, but they're assholes.

[hifiguy]

81. Simple. It's a power trip.

Spewing some bullshit from an imaginary "holy" book and being able to tell people to jump because the Invisible Skywizard wants them to, and seeing them jump, makes small men feel big. Most people who seek power should never be allowed within a light year of it.

[uppityperson]

83. He is saying he and other men have no self control. huh

[OnionPatch]

84. So it's ok that these men have the self control of dog?

I thought in his culture men are supposed to be so strong. Yet they just can't help themselves from attacking a woman if they see a shoulder or a thigh? What a pathetic, disgusting excuse for criminal behavior.