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postulater

(5,075 posts)
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 09:24 AM Jan 2016

Here's why people can't save for retirement.

The CEO of Johnson Controls is set to make tens of millions of dollars by tax inversion deal that sends the old Milwaukee -based company to Ireland.

The deal will reduce the taxes that the company pays into our common use tax fund. It will likely result in loss of jobs. It will further erode the Central city of Milwaukee.

Another of the great manufacturing cities continues to spiral down the drain.

http://fortune.com/2016/01/25/johnson-tyco-ceo-pay-molinaroli/

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Here's why people can't save for retirement. (Original Post) postulater Jan 2016 OP
We need to get rid of all taxes on corporations. SamKnause Jan 2016 #1
Bernie! Because fuck this shit! SammyWinstonJack Jan 2016 #2
Exactly. SamKnause Jan 2016 #3
Great list! Duppers Jan 2016 #10
Thanks. SamKnause Jan 2016 #11
The concept of retirement is a very recent thing The2ndWheel Jan 2016 #4
? people have been retiring since before the Roman Republic ProfessorPlum Jan 2016 #6
Yeah, I'd say 50 years is recent compared to the Roman Republic The2ndWheel Jan 2016 #7
+1 daleanime Jan 2016 #9
My retirement plan is to hopefully never retire. Arugula Latte Jan 2016 #16
It's called progress. ForgoTheConsequence Jan 2016 #13
Which isn't a given The2ndWheel Jan 2016 #18
Ah. The old double Irish tax arrangement GummyBearz Jan 2016 #5
You could just say: Here's why people can't save. Helen Borg Jan 2016 #8
I had some savings but got wiped out when I became disabled StarzGuy Jan 2016 #12
Why do I think he wants to move there for golf? Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #14
So, a company tat gets establish in an American city... tex-wyo-dem Jan 2016 #15
I have to wonder what the typical Irishcitizen is getting out of the deal - hedgehog Jan 2016 #17

SamKnause

(13,088 posts)
1. We need to get rid of all taxes on corporations.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 09:56 AM
Jan 2016

We need more loopholes.

We need more free trade agreements.

We need to stick with trickle down economics.

We need to bust every union in the U.S.

We need to get rid of the minimum wage.

We need to get rid of all regulations on businesses.

We need to pay our CEO's higher wages.

We need to make health care more expensive.

We need to be paying more for our prescriptions.

We need to cut Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid.

We need to double the Military budget.

We need to ramp up the war on 'drugs'. (aka cannabis)

We need to police the entire globe.

We need to lower taxes for the rich and raise taxes on the poor and working class.

We need to build more prisons and lock up more people (Not white collar criminals)

We need police and cameras on every street corner.

We need to give our police the right to kill without facing fear of punishment.


......................These are some of the things that our legislatures have forced, or are trying to

force on this country.............


All the power that the corporations have came from our legislatures and judicial system.

This country has been sold to the highest bidders.





The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
4. The concept of retirement is a very recent thing
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 10:33 AM
Jan 2016

It's existed within a certain set of circumstances, and the variables are always changing.

ProfessorPlum

(11,253 posts)
6. ? people have been retiring since before the Roman Republic
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 10:54 AM
Jan 2016

It's just that for millennia, only the super rich could afford to do so. thanks to program like SS and medicare, it is within reach of everyone who has worked and sacrificed their bodies and youth in this country. Those program are 50 years old, at least. Is that what you mean by "recent"?

The newest thing is removing two of the three legs of retirement - namely, savings and pensions. SS is the only leg left. The other two exist in the world of plundered assets, picked over, reduced by fees, wiped out in "crises".

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
7. Yeah, I'd say 50 years is recent compared to the Roman Republic
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 11:04 AM
Jan 2016

The super rich are going to do what they do. I'm not talking about them. This general retirement idea is going to change. It may be for the better, it may be for the worse, possibly a mix of the two, as with anything it depends on who you ask, but it's not going to stay the way it's been for less than a century.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
16. My retirement plan is to hopefully never retire.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:42 PM
Jan 2016

My job isn't physically taxing so fingers crossed I can keep doing it 'til I drop.

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,867 posts)
13. It's called progress.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:21 PM
Jan 2016

Gay rights and women's suffrage are both relatively new ideas. Are you advocating regression?

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
18. Which isn't a given
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 01:22 PM
Jan 2016

Progression, regression, these are just abstract ideas in the human imagination as we struggle to make sense of existence. I'm not advocating anything, I'm just saying nothing is permanent. Either way. Variables change, circumstances change.

 

GummyBearz

(2,931 posts)
5. Ah. The old double Irish tax arrangement
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 10:51 AM
Jan 2016

What people sometimes fail to realize, while they are asking the rich to pay higher taxes, is that the extra taxes from rich people are a drop in the bucket compared the taxes lost to corporations exploiting tax codes like the double Irish tax arrangement. That is the real problem... google raking in billions but having a 2.5% effective tax rate on it due to the double Irish loop hole.

StarzGuy

(254 posts)
12. I had some savings but got wiped out when I became disabled
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:21 PM
Jan 2016

Yet, the 1%'ers still get to lie, cheat, steal and avoid paying taxes with impunity all the while people like me get reduced to the remaining of my life in poverty. This is why I support Sanders for president.

tex-wyo-dem

(3,190 posts)
15. So, a company tat gets establish in an American city...
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:30 PM
Jan 2016

That wouldn't even be a company, much less successful, without taxpayer paid for socialistic transportation systems, water and energy systems, education system for its employees and employee's children, (I could go on and on), now thinks it's a-okay to just pick up shop and move to a different country to avoid paying taxes, screwing many good people of Milwaukee ?

At best this is a "thank you very much, but fuck you", at worst its tax evasion/robbery.

That's what kills me about these companies and corporations that move their shit overseas...they wouldn't even had existed without the socialised, tax-payer paid for infrastructure critical for any business to even get started.

At least the CEO got his.

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