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Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 05:51 AM Jan 2016

An Exhaustive Primer on the Amy Schumer Scandal

An Exhaustive Primer on the Amy Schumer Scandal

(Yes, She's Probably Guilty of Plagiarism)


The Verdict

Before we get too deep into the Amy Schumer plagiarism scandal—and it is a full-fledged scandal at this point, by comedy standards—I want to make my perspective clear. First, I’m an Amy Schumer fan. Second, after considering the evidence outlined below, along with Schumer’s response, I had one immediate reaction and one secondary reaction to the question of whether or not she’s a plagiarist.

The immediate reaction: Absolutely.

The secondary reaction: Probably.

The first reaction is easy to explain, and came about after simply watching the bits she allegedly stole. There’s no escaping the crystal-clear truth here—the original material and Schumer’s copy are almost exactly the same. The only reasonable conclusion is that she’s guilty. Period. Denials and obfuscation are useless against the very plain evidence of outright joke theft, and anyone who disputes it is being intellectually dishonest.

So why did that “absolutely” change to “probably”? Because there’s a concept called subconscious plagiarism that, in Schumer’s case, would entail hearing another comedian’s joke, forgetting it over time, and then writing it later as though she had conceived it on her own. All in all, this version of stealing is more innocent and forgivable than standard plagiarism.

But while a reasonable person might buy that explanation for an isolated incident, or even two, it seems hopelessly far-fetched when we consider Schumer’s pattern of repeat offenses. Nevertheless, it’s impossible to disprove—we can’t be inside her head—and that’s why I’m qualifying the initial absolute judgment.

http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/01/an-exhaustive-primer-on-the-amy-schumer-scandal-ye.html


For those of you who didn't know there was an Amy Schumer scandal -- apparently there's an Amy Schumer scandal.

It's a damned shame if true because comics work very hard in a very tough business and to have someone succeed on your work at your expense is intolerable.
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An Exhaustive Primer on the Amy Schumer Scandal (Original Post) Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 OP
Never heard of Amy Schumer... Mike Nelson Jan 2016 #1
Amy Schumer sits up front for President Obama’s gun control announcement SecularMotion Jan 2016 #2
Is plagarism suddenly excusable if the poltics are preferred? Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #4
Maybe she's not opposed to guns. Dr. Strange Jan 2016 #6
I chortled. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #7
Do you recall the "my swet lord " scandal? Voice for Peace Jan 2016 #3
my swet lord. Javaman Jan 2016 #8
Haha hot yoga lord Voice for Peace Jan 2016 #14
Meatloaf is my Sweatlord. nt Codeine Jan 2016 #10
that seems a better example of unintentional copying than Schumer karynnj Jan 2016 #15
Comedians don't want to touch it, so it's mostly a non-scandal. joshcryer Jan 2016 #5
(Damn near) Every comedian is a plagiarist FrodosPet Jan 2016 #9
Milton Berle used to brag about it. trof Jan 2016 #11
Carlin had a thing..Every year he would throw out his show and write a new one Volaris Jan 2016 #13
Not uncommon, really. Hell Hath No Fury Jan 2016 #12
More of a job hazard than a scandal. n/t Scurrilous Jan 2016 #16

Mike Nelson

(9,949 posts)
1. Never heard of Amy Schumer...
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 06:01 AM
Jan 2016

...some big names have survived, though. Biden, Doris Kerns Goodwin, Reagan, the older guy on "Morning Joe" and Milton Berle.

 

SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
2. Amy Schumer sits up front for President Obama’s gun control announcement
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 06:02 AM
Jan 2016
Actress and comedian Amy Schumer had a front-row seat for President Obama’s emotional announcement of new gun control measures.

Schumer — a second cousin to New York Sen. Chuck Schumer — shared hugs with several people affected by gun violence during the event inside the East Room of the White House.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/amy-schumer-hears-obama-announce-gun-control-measures-article-1.2486283
 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
3. Do you recall the "my swet lord " scandal?
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 06:02 AM
Jan 2016

George harrison's song?
And after he had to pay up, he wrote a new somg called "I hope I wrote this song"

karynnj

(59,501 posts)
15. that seems a better example of unintentional copying than Schumer
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 05:21 PM
Jan 2016

This source has some audio of the two - showing the similarity. http://entertainment.time.com/2012/11/08/you-didnt-write-that-a-brief-guide-to-alleged-pop-plagiarism/slide/george-harrison-my-sweet-lord/

I also think this was the only instance in Harrison's long list of songs was labeled as copying.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
5. Comedians don't want to touch it, so it's mostly a non-scandal.
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 06:21 AM
Jan 2016

Only thing disappointing is it means yet again talent is manufactured. They just brainstorm good stuff, copy test it, and if it gets good reviews, they send it out. Originality falls to the wayside to whatever can get past the reviewers. It's sad. And one reason that Dave Chappelle stopped.

But you can't fault Amy for cashing in. If it's not original talent (which sadly it's seeming not to be), she'll only last so long.

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
9. (Damn near) Every comedian is a plagiarist
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 10:32 AM
Jan 2016

Paging Louis CK... George Carlin (RIP) would like his routine back.

And let's not bring up the comedic larcenies of the late, great Robin Williams (RIP) while we are busy trashing Amy Schumer.

Volaris

(10,269 posts)
13. Carlin had a thing..Every year he would throw out his show and write a new one
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 04:52 PM
Jan 2016

Louis CK has stated publicly that carlins template is what he adopted as a format for forcing good ideas to the fore..If you're always in need of more, you're always looking/thinking/rewriting...like it forces you to look in new and different places for material.

If it wasnt the only thing that got adopted, that wouldn't surprise me..His routine does remind me of the best kinds of carlins pacing and rhythms..I don't think that's a bad thing tho

 

Hell Hath No Fury

(16,327 posts)
12. Not uncommon, really.
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 01:09 PM
Jan 2016

Back in the 80s Robin Williams was notorious for it at the SF comedy club scene, which was huge at the time. The local comics would change their routines when they saw him watching from the back of the club because their best bits would end up in his stand-up shows..

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