Two comments re: LeVoy Finicum -

[LiberalElite]

posted elsewhere today by others: "Walmartyr" and "Snack Hawk Down."

[saltpoint]

1. Is Finicum the guy who was under the

blue tarp? Or was that somebody else? Or was the blue tarp guy interchangeable at different moments?

"Snack Hawk down." omg.

[LiberalElite]

2. I don't know who was under the tarp -

I assume it wasn't Finicum because he was the spokesperson. Finicum was the one casualty.

[saltpoint]

3. Yep. I kind of lost track of the blue tarp guy.

The thing was surreal enough as it was. The guy under the blue tarp just put it over the top for me.

[LiberalElite]

5. Maybe he was trying to be "The Unknown Right-Wing Wacko"

[uppityperson]

9. Yes, this was bluetarpman. Bluetarpman is dead. Long live the tarp.

[Jenny_92808]

22. Maybe they will bury

him in the tarp. You know, since they are too cheap to pay the grazing fees that they owe to the federal government.

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. Finicum was #tarpman

[LiberalElite]

6. He WAS? Oh well... I

didn't follow the craziness that closely.

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. Hey, when you become a meme

And now my somewhat favorite.... (and the photo is of Ammon Bundy)

[LiberalElite]

10. !!!!

[Half-Century Man]

29. That's unfair really.

It's not like those were his personal collections of dildos. Just some random dildos sent to him to help him in a time of need.
He looked like a man in desperate need of dildos.

[Kaleva]

33. But when I do, I get fucking shot dead

Lol!!!

[Marrah_G]

23. Yes, he was blue tarp man

The comments during the livestream from these idiots was absolutely hysterical.

[saltpoint]

24. Evidently the feds weren't thrown off by

whatever mystique he was trying to project under that tarp.

I've never myself mounted an armed insurrection against a bird sanctuary, but to be frank, if I did decide to under take such a project, I'd be the first to forget a blue tarp.

[Marrah_G]

25. LOL

Watching these jokers at the sanctuary is comedy gold. They are the gang that couldn't shoot straight combined with the three stooges.

[saltpoint]

26. Yes. I found that I had to laugh at them

because if I considered for even one moment that these are my fellow Americans, and that any and all of them can vote, reproduce, and operate vehicles on the nation's roads, I'd scream in agony.

[saltpoint]

27. Is he married? I wonder if at the funeral

an FBI rep will present the folded blue tarp to his widow.

[Marrah_G]

30. Married with 11 kids

he also had 4 foster kids removed due to his involvement which concerned him because he said that was most of his income.

[saltpoint]

34. Eleven kids. My god. And there he was

railing at the Feds underneath a blue tarp.

Marrah, the world is just too weird a place sometimes.

[Hekate]

41. The. foster. kids. were. most. of. his. income. Oh my gods.

[hifiguy]

8. So what's next?

Finicum's Wake? Written in crayon on a dildo box?

[LiberalElite]

11. LOL! nt

[hifiguy]

14. I just had to.

The joke came fully formed into my head in a flash of inspiration.

[LiberalElite]

15. Don't you love it when that happens?

[hifiguy]

17. It's like a little bit of pure Zen enlightenment.

[uppityperson]

12. From Richard D

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1327112

[NightWatcher]

13. They Died With Their Dildos On

From Rocky Mountain Mike.

[Ford_Prefect]

16. Finicum was under the tarp on day one. He often expressed a "we're willing to die here" attitude,

as if that was the defining moment for the Bundy revolution. Several people have described his belligerent and confrontational performances as classic "suicide-by-police" behavior. It was said by press observers and refuge occupiers that he did not represent their perspective to the degree he often insisted on. Pete Santilli is like him in that respect.

If anyone else dies in this situation they can blame Finicum for going way beyond the line the others had originally drawn for themselves. In my view he was symptomatic of a certain kind of loose cannon character you find attaching themselves to the "patriot" white supremacy outfits. They seem to be quite angry at something and use these group settings to get that anger out and use it. I am not explaining the groups by this remark, only some of the damaged people who get involved with and are often used by them.

The remaining occupiers are mostly people who arrived in the last week or so. I don't think they have the "vision" that Ammon seemed to have. I suspect many are the kind looking for a cause to attach their feelings to. Not a good recipe for the immediate resolution of this situation.

[FSogol]

18. Don't worry, it'll get really cold when all the snacks run out....

[truebluegreen]

28. Just heard that Ammon Bundy has tweeted (?) that

those left at the refuge should disperse...someone must have informed him of additional charges that could be added on to his already loooong, long list of infractions (which is also how the Hammonds were brought into line regarding their now-correct sentences).

[nadinbrzezinski]

32. He did not tweet

where he is, no access to twitter. His lawyer told media, and media dutifully tweeted

[truebluegreen]

38. Must have been why I used "(?)"

[flamingdem]

19. LEAVE LAVOY ALONE

Poor Levoy, too bad he believed the hype.

[jberryhill]

36. +1

The guy was mixed up, but certainly entertaining.

[flamingdem]

20. "Sad Ammon Bundy" twitter laments the loss of Lavoy Finicum but promises that the

Seals are about to attack!

https://twitter.com/SadAmmonBundy

[Mendocino]

21. I like this one for fearless leader

Ammo Bundle.

[alcibiades_mystery]

31. It's shocking and sad that one of these idiots got killed behind this foolishness

These shitheads need to stop playing patriot and join the modern world.

[jberryhill]

35. Agreed

I'm a little dismayed by the celebration of the needless death of a person.

A deluded and misguided person, but a person nonetheless.

Granted he may have been "asking for it" and maybe there was no choice. But he does have loved ones who will miss him.

[niyad]

37. having family, and having loved ones, not necessarily the same thing.

[jberryhill]

43. I'll bet there's a dog wondering where he is

[Jim Lane]

44. I'm glad I'm not the only killjoy here.

Yes, several of the posts in this thread are very funny, but we are, as you say, talking about the needless death of a person.

I'm not assigning blame to the law enforcement officers. Could they have used nonlethal methods to restrain him without risk to their own safety? I don't know. I just wish that the whole thing could have been resolved with zero deaths.

[Egnever]

45. Needless from the stand point of he didn't need to try to flee from the cops or go for his gun

When he crashed his truck.

This guy stated his intent to go down shooting before this incident. Then proceeded to try to make his big escape and reached for his gun when he got out of the truck after crashing into a snow bank. I don't blame anyone but him for his demise.

[jberryhill]

46. It's not about "blaming anyone but him"

I don't blame anyone else for the death of someone who commits suicide either, but that doesn't make it funny.

[Jim Lane]

47. As I said, "I'm not assigning blame to the law enforcement officers."

OTOH, I'm not ruling out assigning them at least some blame when all the facts come out. Finicum had stated his intent not to be taken alive. In light of that attitude held by him and other cowboy terrorists, law enforcement should have made at least some effort NOT to give him what he wanted (a martyr's death). I don't know enough about the technology of tranquilizing guns, tasers, etc. to judge whether they should have been prepared to use nonlethal methods to take down an unarmed man, presumably with other officers with live ammo ready as backup. I hope they at least thought about that, though. It's not as if what actually unfolded was totally unforeseeable, as you point out.

[Kennah]

39. My favorite was Loons of the Cowliphate n/t

[catnhatnh]

40. We need a mashup

Of a blue tarp and the Holy Shroud of Turin with a cowboy hat...

[CKling]

48. Shroud of Finicum?

I'd post a pic of a Shroud of Finicum when I can find how to upload a pic.

[Last_Stand]

42. He callously disrespected Native artifacts...

and now he's gone. My tears are reserved for those more worthy.

[CKling]

49. Shroud?

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