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Triana

(22,666 posts)
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 04:19 PM Jan 2016

Top official negotiating the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) has RESIGNED over bribery charges

The TPP was negotiated in secret, and now one of the chief negotiators is accused of taking bribes.

The Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) is a massive, legally binding deal between 12 countries that was negotiated in complete secrecy by industry lobbyists and government bureaucrats. It has sparked international outcry, and expert's analysis of the text show it poses a grave threat to the economy, the environment, the Internet, national sovereignty, and freedom of expression.

Japan's economic and fiscal policy minister, a top official involved in negotiating the TPP, has been accused of taking major bribes from a Japanese construction company amounting to at least $148,000. It's not clear yet whether the bribe was related to the TPP itself, but it underscores the danger of these shadowy, corrupt, agreements.


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Top official negotiating the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) has RESIGNED over bribery charges (Original Post) Triana Jan 2016 OP
Good! This sham corporate-driven rip-off of American workers needs to die & go away. nt 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #1
NAFTA comes to mind passed by the BIG Dog Omaha Steve Jan 2016 #4
Her “opposition” is tepid at best. Here’s what she said before she was against it dorkzilla Jan 2016 #9
Good summary, Dorkzilla. senz Jan 2016 #56
Hillary opposes the TPP just like... bvar22 Jan 2016 #51
It's not just American workers. pangaia Jan 2016 #13
... along with American democracy as we know it 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #20
And that also throughout the world. pangaia Jan 2016 #22
Yes. American democracy has been damaged quite enough as it is. Enthusiast Jan 2016 #25
A massive corporate coup. Cripples government. Body blow to democracy. senz Jan 2016 #58
You probably should have included that the negotiator in question was a part of the 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #2
That wouldn't fit in with the Obama bashing agenda. Hoyt Jan 2016 #5
Please point out Lazy Daisy Jan 2016 #12
How long have you been here? Don't you know Obama is an Establishment con man -- Keystone, TPP, Hoyt Jan 2016 #17
I hear he eats puppies late at night when watching Fallon... randys1 Jan 2016 #27
that's Michelle dlwickham Jan 2016 #52
What a thing to say! senz Jan 2016 #62
I oppose the TPP and support Obama. senz Jan 2016 #60
I guess though I criticize him on TPP, my praise for Obama on the Iran deal doesn't fit the bashing. cascadiance Jan 2016 #42
Okay. You don't like many of his policies, particularly his trade policies; but, tell me ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #47
There's been a lot of outright fraud, like banks falsifying loan documents, etc. for foreclosures cascadiance Jan 2016 #53
I'll just say ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #61
The problem is that so many of the crimes had "deals" cut that exchanged criminal liability... cascadiance Jan 2016 #66
First... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #74
As another example mdbl Jan 2016 #71
Wake Up billhicks76 Jan 2016 #50
Not Obama-bashing. TPP bashing. senz Jan 2016 #59
. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #7
Thank you; but, I read the piece ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #11
It's right in the quote in the OP a2liberal Jan 2016 #16
What I am "complaining" about ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #54
I see not a single post a2liberal Jan 2016 #65
I've been about these parts for many a day ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #67
It's not whether those that didn't read the piece thought the bribed negotiator was an American ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #75
Toward the end: "It's not clear yet whether the bribe was related to the TPP itself..." NurseJackie Jan 2016 #10
Yeah, since the title didn't specifically say mindwalker_i Jan 2016 #24
And this makes a difference... how? pangaia Jan 2016 #14
PLUS ONE, a huge bunch! Enthusiast Jan 2016 #26
The U.S. negotiators don't need to take bribes elljay Jan 2016 #28
Wish we had a justice department that would actually prosecute bums like this in our country! cascadiance Jan 2016 #3
Exactly. forest444 Jan 2016 #8
How/why would the DoJ of the US ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #36
That's not what I'm asserting. Bums like this in OUR country, NOT Japan! cascadiance Jan 2016 #38
Oh, I know ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #57
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Jan 2016 #6
So the TPP is supposed to work like politics, I guess. Pay to play. nt valerief Jan 2016 #15
Hooda guessed it? lpbk2713 Jan 2016 #18
Rich people get a better bang for their buck by corrupting the gatekeepers and keyholders rather GoneFishin Jan 2016 #43
The channel is every individual with money in Wall St. raouldukelives Jan 2016 #73
I pray this begins the death spiral of TPP and other treasonous "trade" agreements; nafta, cafta, Dont call me Shirley Jan 2016 #19
Yes, one criminal revealed - how many yet to be found. jwirr Jan 2016 #32
One need only look on the rosters of the secret tpp meetings to discover the treasonous criminals. Dont call me Shirley Jan 2016 #34
$148,000 is chump change for the US Wall Street/Corporate crooks that Elwood P Dowd Jan 2016 #21
+1 n/t Triana Jan 2016 #72
Go Figure libodem Jan 2016 #23
The TPP What? elljay Jan 2016 #29
Yep, the media blackout. senz Jan 2016 #63
This abomination needs to be killed WITH FIRE. AzDar Jan 2016 #30
He should have taken his bribes the legal way like Michael Froman did. Exit bonuses. pa28 Jan 2016 #31
That's how it works with the USTR revolving door of corporate control. Elwood P Dowd Jan 2016 #35
Why am I not surprised? Jack Rabbit Jan 2016 #33
Buying a politician is the best investment you can make. SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #37
Or if your bribing a politician has been made legal by other bribery so that you don't have to worry cascadiance Jan 2016 #40
TPP Consequences Here: amborin Jan 2016 #39
OF COURSE he has! The whole gosh darned thing is one big huge corporate bribe. PatrickforO Jan 2016 #41
This is the world we live in. Rampant corruption. Bread and Circus Jan 2016 #44
I am amazed at the skill Uponthegears Jan 2016 #45
Obama is going to sign it into law on Feb. 4. Unknown Beatle Jan 2016 #46
Good Work Obama! billhicks76 Jan 2016 #48
There's a shocker. nt TBF Jan 2016 #49
Will our corporate media cover this AT ALL? nt mhatrw Jan 2016 #55
Kick and R BeanMusical Jan 2016 #64
Unless his behavior threatens the stability of the government rpannier Jan 2016 #68
Oh the surprise.... blackspade Jan 2016 #69
Was this guy operating during Clinton's time at the State Department? Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #70
TPP - it's the GOLD standard ish of the hammer Jan 2016 #76

Omaha Steve

(99,573 posts)
4. NAFTA comes to mind passed by the BIG Dog
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 04:47 PM
Jan 2016

And now Hillary finally came out very weakly against TPP and won't lobby her friends to vote against it.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
9. Her “opposition” is tepid at best. Here’s what she said before she was against it
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 05:06 PM
Jan 2016
"So it's fair to say that our economies are entwined, and we need to keep upping our game both bilaterally and with partners across the region through agreements like the Trans-Pacific Partnership or TPP. Australia is a critical partner. This TPP sets the gold standard in trade agreements to open free, transparent, fair trade, the kind of environment that has the rule of law and a level playing field. And when negotiated, this agreement will cover 40 percent of the world's total trade and build in strong protections for workers and the environment."

So it seems Clinton is saying the TPP does, definitevely set the gold standard -- as opposed to Clinton hoping it will.In other addresses around the same time, she expressed similar assuredness that the TPP would meet a high standard. In November 2012 remarks in Singapore, she encouraged all nations "willing to meet 21st century standards as embodied in the TPP" to join the deal.

"The so-called TPP will lower barriers, raise standards, and drive long-term growth across the region. It will cover 40 percent of the world's total trade and establish strong protections for workers and the environment. Better jobs with higher wages and safer working conditions, including for women, migrant workers and others too often in the past excluded from the formal economy will help build Asia's middle class and rebalance the global economy. Canada and Mexico have already joined the original TPP partners. We continue to consult with Japan. And we are offering to assist with capacity building, so that every country in ASEAN can eventually join. We welcome the interest of any nation willing to meet 21st century standards as embodied in the TPP, including China."

Here are some of the other words Clinton used to describe the TPP before she left the State Department in 2013: "exciting," "innovative," "ambitious," "groundbreaking," "cutting-edge," "high-quality" and "high-standard.”

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/oct/13/hillary-clinton/what-hillary-clinton-really-said-about-tpp-and-gol/
 

senz

(11,945 posts)
56. Good summary, Dorkzilla.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 09:18 PM
Jan 2016

Clinton didn't cool her heels on TPP support until she saw how it affected her candidacy. Quick about face.

And they wonder why we call it Camp Weathervane!





bvar22

(39,909 posts)
51. Hillary opposes the TPP just like...
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 08:41 PM
Jan 2016

...Obama was going to "immediately re-negotiate NAFTA " to protect American jobs.

How soon they "forget" when their butts hit that chair in the Oval Office.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
20. ... along with American democracy as we know it
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 05:45 PM
Jan 2016

where Corporate Tribunals get to dictate to US gov't and local jurisdictions what they
can and can't do, without getting sued for "damages" by corporations claiming that
environmental or other regs "deprive" of their precious profits.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
58. A massive corporate coup. Cripples government. Body blow to democracy.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 09:29 PM
Jan 2016

Anyone who backs the TPP is hostile to the Constitution of the United States and the human rights it was designed to secure and protect.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
2. You probably should have included that the negotiator in question was a part of the
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 04:30 PM
Jan 2016

Japanese team ... not a part of the USTR team.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
17. How long have you been here? Don't you know Obama is an Establishment con man -- Keystone, TPP,
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 05:39 PM
Jan 2016

gonna slash Social Security, conspired with insurance industry to avoid public option, in Wall Street's pocket because he didn't jail anyone, did all this for big speaker fees from our corporatist oligarchs when he retires, want to see the end to the middle class, etc.



That answer your question.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
62. What a thing to say!
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 09:36 PM
Jan 2016

If you think opposition to the TPP = Obama hatred or, for God's sake, Michelle hatred, then you really need to slow down and THINK.

There is so much at stake.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
42. I guess though I criticize him on TPP, my praise for Obama on the Iran deal doesn't fit the bashing.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 07:20 PM
Jan 2016

... agenda either now does it!

We don't like many of his POLICIES! We are bashing FUCKED UP POLICIES like the TPP, not prosecuting banksters with a lame Justice department effort that can't even prosecute as many of them as Reagan did in his time. Yes, I'm going to add explanation points when he fucks up because I care about screwed up policies, not because I'm interested just in "bashing Obama". Yes, that's the way the Republicans play the game, and they make sure they try to make him look bad, but when they can get what they want, like they did wit the TPP, they actually will help him more than the Democrats where many of them have some degree of ethics in not screwing the American people to help corporate America.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
47. Okay. You don't like many of his policies, particularly his trade policies; but, tell me ...
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 08:20 PM
Jan 2016
not prosecuting banksters with a lame Justice department effort that can't even prosecute as many of them as Reagan did in his time.


Who should his "lame Justice Department" have prosecuted and for what crime(s)? Please note, neither greed, nor stupidity, is a crime in America.
 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
53. There's been a lot of outright fraud, like banks falsifying loan documents, etc. for foreclosures
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 09:14 PM
Jan 2016

amongst other things. You can't tell me that there was no criminal acts in the meltdown at the end of 2008.

There was a lot of bundling of bad loans and reselling them on Wall Street with misrepresenting their value. There was a documentary that won an Oscar that talked about many of this kind of activity that was UNPROSECUTED!

It's no coincidence in my book that Holder went back to working for the banksters after "serving" as attorney general and doing NOTHING to prosecute that sort of crime.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
61. I'll just say ...
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 09:35 PM
Jan 2016

There is a reason there is a sports color commentary and political punditry industry ... It gives air to the simplistic, if only, analysis ... completely devoid of, both accountability and reality.

If movie producers (and internet commentators) had to know anything about the law, there would be far fewer "jail the bankers" calls.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
66. The problem is that so many of the crimes had "deals" cut that exchanged criminal liability...
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:27 PM
Jan 2016

... for fines, where the amount of the fines with lack of any criminal prosecution of the offenders that would have happened in the Savings and Loan crisis had most of these banks just write off these fines as a cost of doing business, and many of them would continue to just break the law without fear of having anyone going to jail. And of course a lot of cases now have the statue of limitations expired since they let these guys go, so they're getting off scott free. Read more here.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/how-wall-streets-bankers-stayed-out-of-jail/399368/

...
n May 27, in her first major prosecutorial act as the new U.S. attorney general, Loretta Lynch unsealed a 47-count indictment against nine FIFA officials and another five corporate executives. She was passionate about their wrongdoing. “The indictment alleges corruption that is rampant, systemic, and deep-rooted both abroad and here in the United States,” she said. “Today’s action makes clear that this Department of Justice intends to end any such corrupt practices, to root out misconduct, and to bring wrongdoers to justice.”

Lost in the hoopla surrounding the event was a depressing fact. Lynch and her predecessor, Eric Holder, appear to have turned the page on a more relevant vein of wrongdoing: the profligate and dishonest behavior of Wall Street bankers, traders, and executives in the years leading up to the 2008 financial crisis. How we arrived at a place where Wall Street misdeeds go virtually unpunished while soccer executives in Switzerland get arrested is murky at best. But the legal window for punishing Wall Street bankers for fraudulent actions that contributed to the 2008 crash has just about closed. It seems an apt time to ask: In the biggest picture, what justice has been achieved?

Since 2009, 49 financial institutions have paid various government entities and private plaintiffs nearly $190 billion in fines and settlements, according to an analysis by the investment bank Keefe, Bruyette & Woods. That may seem like a big number, but the money has come from shareholders, not individual bankers. (Settlements were levied on corporations, not specific employees, and paid out as corporate expenses—in some cases, tax-deductible ones.) In early 2014, just weeks after Jamie Dimon, the CEO of JPMorgan Chase, settled out of court with the Justice Department, the bank’s board of directors gave him a 74 percent raise, bringing his salary to $20 million.

The more meaningful number is how many Wall Street executives have gone to jail for playing a part in the crisis. That number is one. (Kareem Serageldin, a senior trader at Credit Suisse, is serving a 30-month sentence for inflating the value of mortgage bonds in his trading portfolio, allowing them to appear more valuable than they really were.) By way of contrast, following the savings-and-loan crisis of the 1980s, more than 1,000 bankers of all stripes were jailed for their transgressions.
...
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
74. First...
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:32 AM
Jan 2016
The more meaningful number is how many Wall Street executives have gone to jail for playing a part in the crisis. That number is one. (Kareem Serageldin, a senior trader at Credit Suisse, is serving a 30-month sentence for inflating the value of mortgage bonds in his trading portfolio, allowing them to appear more valuable than they really were.) By way of contrast, following the savings-and-loan crisis of the 1980s, more than 1,000 bankers of all stripes were jailed for their transgressions.


This is exactly what I'm talking about ... First, both, the laws and the enforcement mechanisms have changed significantly since the '80s (and except for Dodd-Franks, not towards more enforcement). Comparing the two eras is like comparing liquor arrests in the 20s to those of today.

And of course a lot of cases now have the statue of limitations expired since they let these guys go, so they're getting off scott free


It's hard to argue against this point because you have yet to answer the "Prosecution of Who" and "For What" question; but, you are in good company ... no one has, including this article writer.

The fact is, the civil settlements reflect, not some corruption of law enforcement; but rather, the realities of criminal law enforcement ... in American jurisprudence the burdens of proof are far lower under civil prosecutions than under criminal, with in the latter, there must be specific facts developed against specific individuals. And the corporate structure is designed, exactly, to insulate the top individuals from the facts of the "crimes" that may have been done below.

That said, and after nearly 10 years of looking at this, I could identify only one high profile banker that could possibly be criminally prosecuted ... that would be Jamie Dimon, and for the (relatively) minor crime of knowingly signing an inaccurate corporate governance document required under the Sarbanes-Oxley Act of 2002 ... which is/was, only, tangentially related to the melt-down.

On another note, all this "send the bankers to jail" talk betrays a fundamental misunderstanding/ignorance of financial/corporate criminality (that civil penalties recognizes), i.e., the threat of prison is NOT an effective deterrent to financial/corporate crimes ... again, it is the nature of the legal fiction of corporations to survive the death/removal of individuals (i.e., the jailing of individual CEOs/bankers will leave the corporation, wholly, unaffected); whereas, absent a corporate "death penalty" (which is largely non-existent in law), civil penalties do affect the corporations. (Note: While the number reached for the penalties has been/may be too low to have been effective, that is a different discussion.)

mdbl

(4,973 posts)
71. As another example
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 07:28 AM
Jan 2016

How many people involved in the Enron fraud actually did time? One? Two? There were many known crooks and how many got away with fraud?

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
7. .
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 04:56 PM
Jan 2016
"Japan's economic and fiscal policy minister, a top official involved in negotiating the TPP, has been accused of taking major bribes from a Japanese construction company amounting to at least $148,000. It's not clear yet whether the bribe was related to the TPP itself, but it underscores the danger of these shadowy, corrupt, agreements. "
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
11. Thank you; but, I read the piece ...
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 05:19 PM
Jan 2016

That's how I knew the guy was a part of the Japanese team, not the US team.

a2liberal

(1,524 posts)
16. It's right in the quote in the OP
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 05:38 PM
Jan 2016

I knew this was about the Japanese representative before ever coming to the comments. Not sure what you're complaining about... Do you expect headlines to now include every single fact from an article?

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
54. What I am "complaining" about ...
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 09:15 PM
Jan 2016

if a request for accuracy and clarity, as evidenced by the posts below that just read the title and thought the graft had anything to do with the TPP or America, could possibly be considered a "complaint", as opposed to a recognition that people on message boards respond to titles, and frequently do not read the text.

My post was not a "complaint" but rather a suggestion.

a2liberal

(1,524 posts)
65. I see not a single post
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:07 PM
Jan 2016

before yours that appears to be working under the assumption that the bribed negotiator was American.

I apologize for accidentally mischaracterizing your post.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
67. I've been about these parts for many a day ...
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:55 AM
Jan 2016

I know DU ... and many of its posters; how some react... and how others bring about reaction.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
75. It's not whether those that didn't read the piece thought the bribed negotiator was an American ...
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:42 AM
Jan 2016

but rather, whether those that didn't read the article thought the negotiator's being bribed was at all related to the TPP, or American interests, for that matter.

Those that didn't read the piece, clearly, thought, both.

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
24. Yeah, since the title didn't specifically say
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 05:52 PM
Jan 2016

"This is not bashing Obama," the person posting it must be an Obama-Hater (tm).

elljay

(1,178 posts)
28. The U.S. negotiators don't need to take bribes
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 06:06 PM
Jan 2016

They just have to wait until the negotiations are over and then get cushy high-paying jobs with a lobbying firm. Totally legal, which is why we need to change things!

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
3. Wish we had a justice department that would actually prosecute bums like this in our country!
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 04:30 PM
Jan 2016

When you have someone like Holder looking the other way, it never gets done unfortunately. I wonder how many hints of bribery in our own TPP, etc. negotiations exist and are known about but are ignored here.

forest444

(5,902 posts)
8. Exactly.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 04:59 PM
Jan 2016

The second I read "top official in TPP negotiations charged with bribery" I knew it had to be overseas.

We'd never let our bribesters be charged with anything, as long as they're carrying water for the elite.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
36. How/why would the DoJ of the US ...
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 06:56 PM
Jan 2016

Prosecute a Japanese Trade Minister for receiving a bribe in Japan and from a Japanese builder?

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
38. That's not what I'm asserting. Bums like this in OUR country, NOT Japan!
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 07:12 PM
Jan 2016

We aren't immune from having people in power commit acts of bribery, no matter what corporate toadies like Eric Holder and those that put him in power would like you to believe!

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
57. Oh, I know ...
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 09:27 PM
Jan 2016

We, in the US, aren't immune from having people in power commit acts of bribery, and other forms of corruption ... Hell, I spent the better part of my career, addressing just that. However, we differ in what you would have Holder as liking us to believe.

The benefit many enjoy is being able to seat on the judicial/occupational sidelines, Monday Morning quarterbacking what should/could happen, without the benefit/curse of having to act within the law ... as written, rather than the law, as you would suppose it to be.

lpbk2713

(42,751 posts)
18. Hooda guessed it?
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 05:39 PM
Jan 2016



All that money at stake and there is more money changing hands under the table?

I'm shocked and appalled.





GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
43. Rich people get a better bang for their buck by corrupting the gatekeepers and keyholders rather
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 07:24 PM
Jan 2016

than formulating fair and just policies that are consequently widely accepted by the masses.

Of course these trade representatives are having their palms greased, through whatever channels.

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
73. The channel is every individual with money in Wall St.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 10:25 AM
Jan 2016

We all get one life to make things better for others or assuredly worse. Wall St investors either don't care what they accomplish, have no clue what they accomplish or prefer easy money to being a decent human being.

Either way, its bad for everyone but them.

The only thing more effective than voting for corporate rule is paying for it. We live in the most progressive change they cannot block.

Elwood P Dowd

(11,443 posts)
21. $148,000 is chump change for the US Wall Street/Corporate crooks that
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 05:46 PM
Jan 2016

dreamed up the TPPiss. Not even a good Christmas Bonus. These crooks work for agencies like the USTR a couple of years on these types of projects, then go back to the corporate world rewarded with seven-figure salaries at places like Citigroup. It's a revolving door of corporate cronies and not considered bribery in the good ole' US of A. Japan is behind the times.

elljay

(1,178 posts)
29. The TPP What?
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 06:08 PM
Jan 2016

Sad thing is, the people posting on this thread may be a high percentage of the Americans who've even heard of the TPP. Ask Ed Schultz what happens when you try to talk about it on tv....

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
63. Yep, the media blackout.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 09:49 PM
Jan 2016

Five transnational corporations control the U.S. mass media, and the TPP gives them more money and more power at the expense of working people and the physical environment, so they won't let anyone to know about it.

pa28

(6,145 posts)
31. He should have taken his bribes the legal way like Michael Froman did. Exit bonuses.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 06:29 PM
Jan 2016

Froman is the US government's lead man in negotiating the TPP. He pocketed a million dollars in exit bonuses from CITI contingent on taking the USTR or another senior administration position.

http://billmoyers.com/2014/02/20/obama-admins-tpp-trade-officials-received-hefty-bonuses-from-big-banks/

Elwood P Dowd

(11,443 posts)
35. That's how it works with the USTR revolving door of corporate control.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 06:55 PM
Jan 2016

Anybody that supports this fake free trade deal should be called a "free traitor".

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
33. Why am I not surprised?
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 06:51 PM
Jan 2016

The goddamned thing was negotiated in secret for the benefit of the oligarchs. It doesn't surprise me that there was some bribery or funny stuff going on in there. The trade negotiators' jobs were to sell out the sovereignty of their respective nations and live the common citizens of each of their nations without political power. The whole think reeks of corruption and treason.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
40. Or if your bribing a politician has been made legal by other bribery so that you don't have to worry
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 07:14 PM
Jan 2016

... about "getting caught", or that you have those in power that make sure that bribery laws aren't enforced.

 

Uponthegears

(1,499 posts)
45. I am amazed at the skill
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 08:02 PM
Jan 2016

of the Third Way sycophants.

A story about a Japanese TPP negotiator taking bribes and STILL they find a way to play the victim.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
48. Good Work Obama!
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 08:36 PM
Jan 2016

What happened to no lobbyists promise. Of wait. I forgot we are like the republicans now where the truth doesn't matter. Just gotta have D in front of name. So pathetic people who think politics is a sport where winning is the game.

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
68. Unless his behavior threatens the stability of the government
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:14 AM
Jan 2016

Abe, Aso and the Party will continue with whatever they were going to do

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
70. Was this guy operating during Clinton's time at the State Department?
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 04:19 AM
Jan 2016

How flawed is her judgement not to see this happening right under her nose, while she touted the TPP as a gold standard?

She was wrong on Iraq, and on that guy Bush

She was wrong on interventionism, and on that guy Kissinger

She was wrong on gay marriage

She was wrong on prison industry, and its subsidies

She was wrong on Wall Street, and on those guys who line her pockets

She was wrong on TPP, and on this Japanese politician.

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