Pork Banned In Cafes And Schools To 'Not Offend Refugees'

[Purveyor]

An increasing number of public canteens, child daycare centres and schools have stopped serving sausages, bacon and ham over religious considerations.

Now members of Chancellor Angela Merkel’s CDU party are fighting to keep pork on the menu, insisting the consumption of pork is part of German culture.

Daniel Günther, party representative, claimed that pork products were being taken off the menu in schools, nurseries and canteens across the country.

He said: "The protection of minorities - including for religious reasons - must not mean that the majority is overruled in their free decision by ill-conceived consideration

Mr Günther argued that tolerance also means "the appreciation and sufferance of other food cultures and lifestyles”.

He argued that those who didn’t want to eat pork didn’t have to, adding: ”The consumption of pork belongs to our culture.

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http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/650246/Germany-bans-pork-cafes-schools-offending-Muslim-migrants

[angstlessk]

1. Why not include pork and a differet choice? n/t

[jberryhill]

5. Because the story is a lie

[0rganism]

6. if this were a real issue, it would be because it's not that simple

it's not like being Vegan where as long as there's something without animal product on the menu you're okay.
religious restrictions on eating pork often require adherents not eat food that's been prepared with the same tools used for pork -- i.e., you need different utensils, different dishes, different cutting boards, etc.

[angstlessk]

7. Well then put volunteers into the school kitchens

and do whatever is necessary to keep their religious beliefs viable.

Taxpayers, nor the children who have a tradition of eating what has been provided for hundreds of years should have to become sacrificial lambs to religion

[jberryhill]

9. The story is bullshit in the first place

[angstlessk]

11. What some people will do to create chaos and divide

people...

There should be a law...or not..free speach anll...glad you pointed it was false.

[Quantess]

14. What exactly did he do to "point out it was false"?

This kind of thing happens all the time in european suburbs with a high muslim population.

[angstlessk]

21. It was proven to be a false report! DUH n/t

[Quantess]

22. It's still true more often than european news lets you know about it.

This type of "news" is hardly news in many european suburbs.

But okay, good for you!

[cheapdate]

27. Imprsseive how little it phases you

when it's found to be a made up story. It's called "staying on message".

[crim son]

26. I'm missing something. Where was it proven?

I don't disbelieve you but I don't see the proof.

[Angel Martin]

42. maybe it's like the Islington city council in London

they haven't "banned" pork, they just haven't served it since 2011.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/london-council-defends-criticism-over-claims-it-banned-pork-from-primary-schools-10041519.html

[crim son]

47. I wouldn't be surprised.

I've known mothers to be pissed off that peanut butter was banned at the local grade school. Imagine how little they'd like this!

[Orrex]

45. You forgot to provide a link to reports detailing those incidents that happen all the time

Surely this was an innocent oversight. Thanks!

[Major Nikon]

56. I've known vegans that didn't want food prepared from utensils that touched meat

[JackInGreen]

2. No middle ground?

No alternate option, just drop pork.


That'd be a deal breaker for me.

[jberryhill]

4. It's a bullshit story

Notably absent - anywhere this actually happened.

[Quantess]

13. I completely believe this, 100%.

Why do you assume it's "bullshit"? No it would not happen in 99.5% of all places in the USA, but I assure you, the NO PORK requirement, along with the HALAL-slaughtered-meat requirement is reality in many places in Europe, where there are many Muslims.

[jberryhill]

32. You are entitled to believe what you want

This story has been posted on DU several times in the last few days. Every site which has posted it notes that it is entirely based on the "claim" of one politician in Germany who, if you bother to check this thing out, has been roundly derided by other German politicians for making shit up.

If you believe it, name ONE such institution which has banned pork in Germany in accordance with the claim. Name ONE.

[Matrosov]

46. Frankfurt

Daycare centers in Frankfurt are one example.

http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/kitas-in-frankfurt-bestellen-schweinefleisch-ab-14059211.html

The important thing to note however is that the daycare centers aren't banning pork out of fear of offending Muslims. They feature less pork on the menu or are removing it entirely because of declining demand.. which, yes, does have in part to do with the fact that more and more children there are from Muslim backgrounds and their parents asked that their kids not have pork.

Another thing is that the Muslim children are concentrated in the most urban areas. The rural ones have far fewer Muslim kids and the daycare centers there still offer pork.

[cleanhippie]

49. "...aren't banning pork out of fear of offending Muslims". You just proved his point, the story is

false. No one banned pork so as not to offend refugees. Full Stop.

[jberryhill]

65. That article says nothing about banning pork

It does say that if a daycare center is seeing a lot of pork leftover, then they are reducing their orders for it, but that has zip to do with anyone banning pork.

Snopes rates the hyped articles on this subject as "mostly false"

[Matrosov]

66. I wasn't trying to disprove you

Are some places offering less pork or no pork? Yes. Are they often doing it because of Muslims? Yes.

But like I said, there's a big difference between reducing/removing pork because of a lack of demand and banning pork for the sake of not offending Muslims. This is purely a business decision, not the politically correct crap the right wingers try to sell it as.

[jberryhill]

67. I just wanted that to be clear for the person who has not responded to the question

I gather the poster above believes that it should be force-fed to people who don't want it.

[killbotfactory]

37. For childcare services, at least, it's cheaper to make a meal for everyone

And it's not like pork is a holy sacrament to western children (well, besides bacon). It's just another option. You could try to make the muslim kids eat pork, but that's kind of cruel, considering their families and culture consider it taboo.

Maybe if the kids were orthodox jews fleeing programs people would understand?

[jberryhill]

3. Bullshit

"Daniel Günther, party representative, claimed..."

Bullshit story.

He's been widely ridiculed in Germany over this.

[Turborama]

64. It's The Express. One of, if not the, most racist UK tabloids.

It should be ridiculed as a source as much as The Blaze or NY Post.

[liberal N proud]

8. There is a place in Paris called au pied deChaun

Pigs foot

[Albertoo]

16. I looked it up, opened in 1947

[liberal N proud]

20. I recommend reservations

[Albertoo]

23. I wouldn't book there

I'm a vegeterian

[liberal N proud]

28. We ate there on our 25th anniversary

That wa 6 years ago.

[Albertoo]

29. When first fast reading your post, I mistakenly thought of an older restaurant in les Halles

Mixed the two, the one I had in mind is older, that's why I checked the 1947 pied de cochon

1832 l'Escargot Montorgueil

I think there's an even older one in the area mentioned in Les Miserables, but it eludes me.

[Albertoo]

30. I'm probably mixing up with this one

[DetlefK]

51. Do they serve bean-soup with boiled pig-foot?

Don't denounce it before you ate it.

[Quantess]

10. It's a real story in many places in Europe!

Pork was almost never served at the public, taxpayer-funded, school I worked in, in a Swedish suburb. Why? Most likely because there was such a high percentage of muslim students, in that Swedish suburb.

HALAL ONLY, they demand. We have to have access to HALAL slaughtered meat in public schools, or else we will complain that you don't accommodate our religious preferences in our free lunches!! There was ALWAYS HALAL meat, every single day, offered in the free-of-charge- school lunch, just to appease the muslims. JUST TO APPEASE THE MUSLIMS. Or else they complain that the meat being offered, free-of-charge, does not suit them.

Hellooo.... have they considered eating the veggie alternatives, which the school also generously offered, free of charge. Quorn veggie meat. Chicken main fares. So many other options!

These jerks had no right demanding HALAL slaughtered meat in a public swedish school.

[Nevernose]

25. Pork's never on the menu in most urban school districts

Too many Muslims and Jews complain, even in the US.

[XemaSab]

52. They serve a lot of pork in the Oakland schools and the veggie option

is almost always cheese.

http://www.ousd.org/cms/lib07/CA01001176/Centricity/Shared/Meal%20Menus/K-8_Lunch.pdf

This is surprising because not only are there a lot of Jews, "regular" Muslims, and black Muslims who won't eat the pork option, but there are a lot of Southeast Asian and Indian vegetarians, too, not to mention white vegans.

It's a surprisingly racially insensitive thing to throw cheese at a bunch of kids who are likely to be lactose intolerant.

They're gonna have classrooms of farty kids in Oakland.

http://milk.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000661

[Nevernose]

63. Our students get 2 options

A quasi-healthy one and pizza & tater tots. Pizza and tots is the only option multiple days a week, because the kitchens are under incredible pressure to turn a profit and kids don't buy healthy options.

[Dorian Gray]

44. Why?

I would eat Halal meat? If the population of Muslims is big enough in the area, why shouldn't they serve Halal meat?

If the population isn't large enough, serve food that the majority would eat.

It seeems pretty simple.

[bdwker]

12. Of course ALL countries should change their culture for them.

Change their eating patterns as not to offend.
Change their freedom of religion as not to offend.
Change their laws on marriage as not to offend.
Change their freedom of speech as not to offend.
Change their books as not to offend.

We shouldn't offend them.

[denverbill]

31. You nailed it bro.

I had a party at my house last week. When I heard my wife invited Muslims I told her I was not going to do a damned thing to 'not offend' them. Every dish had pork. I had my crucifixes everywhere and welcomed them with a hearty 'Jesus Loves You'.

And I'm no bigot. I treated the Jews and Catholics and Mormons and vegans the same way.

You come to my house, you eat pork and you worship Jesus my way. End of story. Otherwise, get the fuck out because it's the Christian thing to do.

Oh, and 'Go Trump', right?

[bdwker]

33. Nope

I want a 3rd Bill.

Go Hillary.

[denverbill]

36. Good on you for remembering not to type Hitlery!

Must say I am a little disappointed that you don't have the courage of your convictions though.

There are some brave politicians that say what they think and damn the consequences. Unfortunately, some of his (or her) adherents are not made of the same mettle and are afraid to face the consequences of their opinions.

Not you though, of course. You are a Muslim-hating, pork-loving, Jesus-fearing liberal who loves him some Hitlery, I mean Hillary.

How's that ammo supply holding up, btw?

[jberryhill]

34. Lol

Next thing you know, someone is going to bring up the "Jew Tax" thing, because companies pay for Kosher Union certification on grocery products.

Same shit, different day.

[jmowreader]

38. Change "Muslim" to "Christian" and you'd also be correct

[CBGLuthier]

15. Debunked

http://www.snopes.com/germany-bans-pork-under-sharia-law/


While it was true one or (at most) a few German politicians "bemoaned" what they believed was a disappearing presence of pork in school cafeterias, misleading headlines indicated that there was a "ban on pork". Finally, a number of Germans mocked the assertions as ludicrous and baseless.

[Takket]

17. now that this has been debunked...........

Let's start e-mail it to Trump to see if we can get him to start talking about this lol

[Quantess]

19. So believable, because it's a razor edge difference from what is actually going on in europe.

[Purveyor]

24. Snopes labels it "mostly false" and links to a this Deutsche Welle article:

Schleswig-Holstein CDU Fights To Keep Pork On Canteen Menus

The CDU's Schleswig-Holstein division wants to ensure that pork stays on menus at workplace and school canteens, arguing the meat "belongs to German culture." The idea has been mocked on social media.

The regional arm of Chancellor Angela Merkel's CDU announced plans on Tuesday to ensure that pork continues to be available at public canteens, as well as child daycare centers and schools across the north German state.

The proposal is due to be presented by the CDU's group in parliament at next week's regional parliamentary session.

CDU parliamentary group leader, Daniel Günther, bemoaned on Tuesday that an increasing number of canteens, nurseries and schools are removing pork from their menu due to religious considerations.

"The protection of minorities - including for religious reasons - must not mean that the majority is overruled in their free decision by ill-conceived consideration," Günther said, arguing that tolerance also means "the appreciation and sufferance of other food cultures and lifestyles."

more...

http://www.dw.com/en/schleswig-holstein-cdu-fights-to-keep-pork-on-canteen-menus/a-19085870

[valerief]

35. Why not ban all meat to avoid offending vegans? Or ban all food to avoid offending

anorexics.

Fuckin' religion.

[killbotfactory]

40. I work in a place that serves a lot of vegans

Money talks. If a bunch of customers come into your establishment and won't buy anything because it contains (insert bugaboo here) then you change the menu to accommodate them if possible, or you lose business. It doesn't matter are if they are jewish, muslim, vegan, gluten free, paleo, or allergic to whatever.

[oberliner]

39. The Express is a far right-wing UK tabloid

Why would you post this BS crap here?

[jberryhill]

41. Because the first several postings of this was not enough

[Purveyor]

43. ***yawn***

[cleanhippie]

50. You post a demonstrably false story and your response is *yawn*?

Cool. One less person I need to read posts from.

[Purveyor]

54. Like I give a fuck... eom

[cleanhippie]

57. It's obvious you give zero fucks when it comes to facts and truth.

EOM.

[LeftishBrit]

61. +1000!

They are constantly attacking our Tories from the Right - they support UKIP. Their news stories are generally either about how evil the EU is or how evil migrants are, or both. Except when they're promoting their conspiracy theories about Princess Diana being murdered. They are none too careful about accuracy, and indeed this story is contradicted by Snopes. They are even worse than the Sun (which at least does not pretend to be respectable) or the Daily Mail (which occasionally prints a reasonable article by accident!)

[itcfish]

48. Oh Please

This is pure nonsense. I live with a whole bunch of Muslims who are not offended by pork products. But they are offended by ignorance.

[KamaAina]

53. Sheer idiocy. Pork is not banned in *Israel*!

There is a small Arab Christian minority there that eats and produces it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pork#Judaism

In Israel pig-raising has been limited by law to certain areas and institutions. Some pig-related laws are openly circumvented. Swine production has increased from an estimated annual slaughter of 50,000 swine in 1960 to 180,000 in 2010. Pigmeat consumption per capita was 2.7 kg in 2009. Although pork marketing is prohibited in some religious localities, pork products are available elsewhere at non-kosher butchers and by the Mizra and Tiv Ta'am non-kosher supermarket chain which caters to Russian immigrants. A modern Hebrew euphemism for pork is "white meat".

[clarice]

55. To quote Vincent Vega.."bacon tastes gooood... pork chops taste gooood".nt

[cleanhippie]

58. "pigs sleep and eat in shit. I don't eat anything that doesn't have the sense to disregard it's

Own feces".



Love that movie!

[clarice]

62. LOL....good one. nt

[LeftishBrit]

59. According to Snopes, this is a false rumour

http://www.snopes.com/germany-bans-pork-under-sharia-law/

Don't trust the Express. It's even more far-right, racist and unreliable than most British tabloids.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

60. The Daily Express: like the Daily Mail, but possibly even more so.

Don't give this story any heed unless a non-evil source repeats it.

[Bradical79]

68. I feel like this was debunked before

I recall it being brought up on another forum I post on with some Germans, and the story turning out mostly false.