do you think night clubs are more prone to violence?

[demtenjeep]

Last Friday night, early Saturday morning, I got up to use the RR about 1:30 AM. We now live in the heart of downtown.

While I was using the RR I heard several pop pop pops and within 5 minutes heard several more. Within seconds we heard about 50 police cruisers heading to the sound of the pops. Turns out there was a shooting at one or two night clubs about 3 blocks away from us.

Our new police chief was in the media today saying that specifically two night clubs were the source of many problems every weekend.

The new chief has only been in our city about a month. He is not making very many friends.

Now there is a growing schism between "Old Towne" and the police chief

having lived here almost half a year, this is the first time we were aware of any issues


I do not feel unsafe, heck we are 20+ floors up and it is gated parking and keyed entry.



I think it is carelessness on the Chiefs part to single out names. There are at least 15 night clubs in that same specific area

[MrScorpio]

1. They're great for mass shootings

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/2015-the-year-in-mass-shootings-20151203

[Press Virginia]

2. If the police are spending more time at the 2, why shouldn't he say so?

It shouldn't be a secret

[demtenjeep]

3. thats the thing. This is the first time we have heard of those specific 2

and in all honesty we have been at both and they do not seem to be much different than the other 15 or so there


We think the chief is new and trying to leave his mark but he is not going at it the right way

[JVS]

7. I don't know the specifics of where you live, but in PA there are procedures for shutting down...

bars that are considered a nuisance by revoking their liquor licenses. http://www.lcb.state.pa.us/plcb/licensees/NuisanceBarProgram/

Although technically it isn't the job of the liquor control board to police these bars, use of such rules to revoke a liquor license is often the easiest way to close an establishment that keeps the police busy. The chief might be mentioning them in order to tell them to clean up their act (e.g. hire more security of their own, be better about not serving intoxicated patrons, better monitor and control conflicts among customers) or expect to lose their licenses.

[demtenjeep]

4. I have to say I was thoroughly impressed with EMT They were there within seconds

4 were injured and they must have scooped and sped that is how fast they were there and gone


No one died that night!!!

[JVS]

5. More prone to violence than what?

[jberryhill]

6. Day clubs?

[Marrah_G]

8. Crowds and drinking always provide fertile ground for fights.

[Waldorf]

9. Yes, night clubs are more prone to violence.

Alcohol is being served and people react differently with it. You get your happy folks, sleep folks, and aggressive folks. The latter cause problems. And since its a partying atmosphere sphere you always have a chance of drugs being sold, making it a magnet for law enforcement.

I work for a municipality and I hear a lot of internal City stuff, and there are always a couple clubs which cause problems in their respective neighborhoods.

[bemildred]

10. I think drunks are prone to violence.

And angry people.
Night clubs, it depends.

[Bucky]

11. Which is why everyone there needs to have their 2nd Amendment rights protected

When the lead starts flying, you don't want to be left out of the "Freedom"

[ileus]

13. Real believers in personal safety would never place themselves in such a situation.

[bemildred]

15. Correct.

Having been a drunk myself and having been around lots of drunks, whenever I see booze and gunz co-located then I know it is time to be somewheres else, because bad things can happen.

[ileus]

12. Boys chasing the same girls, drinking and drugs....seems obvious.

[bemildred]

14. Yeah, evolution in action, the dumb, violent ones getting weeded out,

with a lot of collateral damage of course. Too much testosterone, not enough stimulation. I thought that was why we let them have guns and drink.

[whatthehey]

16. Yes of course, and some more than others

I'm not sure how long a senior police officer needs to identify high crime locations in his new regime but if it has the word "months" in it he is beyond negligent. Hours might be a bit presumptuous, but days is about right. If you think about it if you were made right now police chief of a strange city, wouldn't your first 3 questions be some variant of "What resources do I have? What kind of people do I have? What level of crimes do I have to deal with?" Anyone briefing me on the last without identifying individual hotspots would not be making a good first impression if I were that chief. Being in the city 6 months is about 5 months and 28 days after he should know this. Hopefully that time period was spent working on the internal networking and external schmoozing on how best to address those hotspots at a poltical level where chiefs operate. Anyone who made it anywhere near a big city chief's desk knows how to do that and knows when to keep things public or private. He's calling them out for a reason, either to put them or their customer base on notice of increasingly vigorous deployment would be the first guess.

[panader0]

17. Stripper clubs

Alcohol and testoserone

[REP]

18. I'm from Kansas City and lived in Westport back when it was happening

Everyone knew there was one club where something unpleasant was bound to happen because Chiefs players hung out there and liked to bring guns. Westport was wall-to-wall clubs, but only one in particular was associated with violent patrons.

[ck4829]

19. A combination of darkness, crowds, and alcohol

It's like a powder keg for the psyche.