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Source: Associated Press
By JIM SUHR, ASSOCIATED PRESS
KANSAS CITY, Mo. Mar 9, 2016, 11:43 AM ET
A Mexican national suspected of killing his neighbor and three other men at his neighbor's Kansas home before killing another man about 170 miles away in Missouri was arrested early Wednesday, authorities said.
Pablo Antonio Serrano-Vitorino was captured without resisting shortly before 12:30 a.m. Wednesday following a manhunt. He was found hiding face-down in a ditch about two or three miles from the scene of the last killing, which happened Tuesday morning at a rural home near the small community of New Florence, Missouri, said Lt. Paul Reinsch of the Missouri State Highway Patrol. He had a rifle with him, he said.
"He looked exhausted," patrol Sgt. James Hedrick told The Kansas City Star.
Serrano-Vitorino, who has been living in Kansas City, Kansas, was caught shortly after someone called the authorities to report that he had fled from an armed man who had approached him, the patrol said.
Serrano Vitorino is in the country illegally, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement said in a statement. He was deported from the U.S. in April 2004 and illegally re-entered the country on an unknown date. ICE said it would place a detainer on Serrano-Vitorino.
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pintobean
(18,101 posts)I wonder why that is.
30Draw
(46 posts)Throd
(7,208 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)Your question strongly suggests that you have an idea. Care to share?
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)used to pump up the volume. Yet, even Mother Jones admits these murders averaged 2/yr since 1981. So, a new and diff. category was devised: 4+/yr of victims, including those wounded, not murdered. By devising a new category, the number of "mass" shootings baloons out to huge proportions. Even the almost uniformly prohibitionist MSM is unlikely to blow each one up into a Columbine/Sandy Hook incident, lest they be accused of being some crime-blotter outlet posing as a news outlet. The all-new "mass shooting" definition has yet to catch on.
Another reason: Even MSM realizes that when it fires off another "Tide is turning," "Sea-Change," "Tipping Point" narrative of gun control, gun manufacturers go 24-7 at their plants, and the highly mobilized pro-2A forces respond up and down the political process.
Hope this engenders a useful discussion.
maxsolomon
(33,310 posts)I haven't seen a useful DU discussion regarding guns since never, and "Uniformly Prohibitionist MSM" is certainly not the way to start it.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Perhaps to "start it" is to recognize bald facts.
maxsolomon
(33,310 posts)Its so hard to keep up these days.
Were you interested in the Familycide in Mason County, WA last week? 5 dead including the shooter. Barely a blink on the news.
leftyladyfrommo
(18,868 posts)It happened really close to where I live. I am really glad they got this lunatic.
I still haven't heard why he killed those people.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Waiting for more facts before coming to a conclusion. Hang your head in shame.
(I wonder if this thread will be locked for mentioning the unmentionable?)
leftyladyfrommo
(18,868 posts)Last edited Wed Mar 9, 2016, 08:22 PM - Edit history (1)
But I do wonder why? Was it drug related? Gang related? Or was he just pissed off? If it was a bunch of druggers who got into a fight it isn't quite so scary. Lots of gangs here. They are always killing each other. Someone disrespected someone else.
Kansas city, Kansas has some pretty tough neighborhoods.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Of course we should be concerned every day when there's a mass killing, which seem to occur on average a little more than once a day in our fair country, for some reason. Many people are quite eager to draw conclusions about gun violence based on the massacre du jour, based on little more than who's responsible. This time, it appears to be an undocumented immigrant, which suggests to me that that will be the detail a lot of people focus on.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)The old FBI definition of "mass murder" was 4+/yr (not including the murderer) in one incident.
Now, it appears there are several revisions and new definitions created in the last few years. It is easy to get confused, given the gun politics in this country.
BTW, the national homicide rate by-gun is at a 20+ yr. low, and the old mass murder definition recognized by MJ still has these incidents averaging a little over 2/yr.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Why don't you give his surviving family a call and tell him?
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)gratuitous
(82,849 posts)The number of gun deaths in the U.S. outstrips every other civilized country in the world. But a very motivated segment of our society is comfortable with all that death and not only refuses to do anything about it, but stops anyone else from doing anything about it. I'd like to see them a little less comfortable with it.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)...instead of pushing control/prohibitionist "solutions," we might get beyond some fatuous notion of "comfort" levels, and who has or has not the right one.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)I'm not.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)It is Wholely based on personal attack, an approach well-dcumented for over 40 years. You seem to enjoy locking yourslf into a moral position where as long as You feel more moral, then all is well.
I think you are fighting a proxy culture war. And losing.
leftyladyfrommo
(18,868 posts)Which makes me wonder if there is more to this story. If this had been a random mass shooting it would be all over the news. Like the one we had in Edgerton a couple of weeks ago where a crazy relative killed 4 members of his family. That was all over the news for days.
This has no friends talking about how wonderful these guys were. Nothing like that. It is really odd.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)This has been today's installment of Bad Headline Writing.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)the premier General Discussion Forum of DU, there should be ample opportunity to get the ball rolling.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)Montgomery County Sheriff Robert Davis said Pablo Antonio Serrano-Vitorino, 40, "cut himself with a safety razor in order to attempt to commit suicide."
Davis said Serrano-Vitorino was taken to a hospital, where he was under guard Thursday. His condition was not available, but authorities said he was "stable."
Davis' statement said his office had placed Serrano-Vitorino on suicide watch Wednesday, but later released him from suicide watch and moved him to general inmate population. Officers discovered his injuries Thursday morning.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/murder-suspect-who-was-caught-after-manhunt-attempts-suicide-in/article_6ee615f7-aa42-52d1-a517-16421d9b831c.html