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Meldread

(4,213 posts)
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 03:43 PM Mar 2016

Nancy Reagan and her husband were silent as tens of thousands died. They were monsters.

For many in the LGBTQ Community, it has been difficult to watch Nancy Reagan be praised and remembered so fondly. It's as if the cis-gender and straight community lived in a completely different reality. I am making this post to talk about the REAL legacy of Nancy Reagan, and how she should be remembered.

I want to begin by encouraging you to recall the reaction surrounding the Ebola outbreak in West Africa. I want you to recall the reaction from the government, the reaction from the media, and the fear and panic that swept across the general public. I want you to hold that memory in your mind, as you watch this video below. This video shows how the Reagan Administration and the press responded to the AIDS Crisis. It is important for everyone to watch this video.



Now, let us focus on Nancy Reagan and her personal reaction and involvement in the Crisis. These excerpts are from an article in Teen Vogue:

...

The first lady notoriously had enormous sway over her husband, and could have intervened if she wished. She infamously tried to champion another epidemic of the era, drugs, with the overly simplified and ultimately harmful "Just Say No" campaign. It failed due to ignoring the roots of the cause and not understanding that addiction is a disease, not a choice. {The Guardian} writes, "Much like abstinence-based sex education... 'Just Say No' spread fear and ignorance instead of information." Like HIV/AIDS, the White House failed to properly educate itself, and as a result, let down its most vulnerable citizens in another spectacular way.

...

"On a personal level, she was someone who was not against gay people," Richard Socarides, a former White House adviser for President Bill Clinton, told the Associated Press about Nancy Reagan. "But when the country needed leadership, President Reagan was not there, and his wife — who was able to do more — was not willing to step up. It reflects rather harshly on both of them."

...

Taylor, one of the most famous actresses in the world at the time, knew that the way to White House recognition was through Nancy. Vanity Fair described the first lady’s reception to Taylor’s request as “frosty,” but within two years of Hudson’s death, Ronald Reagan was at the AmfAR Award Dinner.

...

Despite the offensive speech, the White House had finally acknowledged AIDS, urged by the celebrities, rather than the ordinary citizens, suffering from the epidemic. "If you can personalize an issue, either because of a tragedy like Rock Hudson or in some other way,” Ron Reagan, the couple’s son, said in an interview with PBS.. “That was the way you got to {Ronald Reagan} and she was well aware of that. She would always try to put a human face on something to him.”


In short, while the White House itself treated AIDS as a joke, Nancy Reagan deliberately stood in the way of anything getting done. Why? She didn't want a scandal. All the pressure on Nancy and Ronald came from outside of Washington and the White House. What ultimately moved Nancy was not the deaths of tens of thousands of people--not even the death of her close personal friend Rock Hudson (who she refused to help and let die)--no, what ultimately moved Nancy was pressure from people like Elizabeth Taylor. The Reagans were, of course, very much socially connected with the Hollywood elite. Had they continued to be silent, it would have been a social problem for them, and this is what prompted their most minimal of actions--such as Ronald Reagan finally mentioning AIDS publicly toward the end of his Presidency.

However, I don't think you can properly grasp what AIDS was like for most in the LGBTQ Community at the time. This is an impossible thing to really visualize or understand. It is something so horrible that it is something you have to live through to really get it. However, there is a great article in the Arkansas Times that everyone should read. Here are some excerpts that does not do the piece justice:

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...Now a grandmother living a quiet life in Rogers, in the mid-1980s Burks took it as a calling to care for people with AIDS at the dawn of the epidemic, when survival from diagnosis to death was sometimes measured in weeks. For about a decade, between 1984 and the mid-1990s and before better HIV drugs and more enlightened medical care for AIDS patients effectively rendered her obsolete, Burks cared for hundreds of dying people, many of them gay men who had been abandoned by their families. She had no medical training, but she took them to their appointments, picked up their medications, helped them fill out forms for assistance, and talked them through their despair. Sometimes she paid for their cremations. She buried over three dozen of them with her own two hands, after their families refused to claim their bodies. For many of those people, she is now the only person who knows the location of their graves.

...

Her son was a sinner, the woman told Burks. She didn't know what was wrong with him and didn't care. She wouldn't come, as he was already dead to her as far as she was concerned. She said she wouldn't even claim his body when he died. It was a hymn Burks would hear again and again over the next decade: sure judgment and yawning hellfire, abandonment on a platter of scripture. Burks estimates she worked with more than a thousand people dying of AIDS over the course of the years. Of those, she said, only a handful of families didn't turn their backs on their loved ones. Whether that was because of religious conviction or fear of the virus, Burks still doesn't know.

...

Burks' stories from that time border on nightmarish, with her watching one person after another waste away before her eyes. She would sometimes go to three funerals a day in the early years, including the funerals of many people she'd befriended while fighting the disease. Many of her memories seem to have blurred together into a kind of terrible shade. Others are told with perfect, minute clarity.

...

She recalled the mother who called Burks up and demanded to know how much longer it would be before her son died. " 'I just want to know, when is he going to die?' " Burks recalled the woman asking. "'We have to get on with our lives, and he's holding up our lives. We can't go on with our lives until he dies. He's ruined our lives, and we don't want people up here to know {he has AIDS}, so how long do you think he's going to stay here?' Like it was a punishment to her."


This article and the story of Ruth Coker Burks exemplifies what it was like for thousands upon thousands upon thousands of Americans. While many people in the straight community were losing maybe one or two people they knew to AIDS, within the LGBTQ community entire lists of friends, lovers, and acquaintances were being systematically wiped out. There are people who you can literally walk through the streets with, and they can point at a building and say, "I knew everyone who used to live there. They are all dead now." Imagine watching everyone you know waste away and die. Imagine not knowing or understanding what was causing it. Imagine the government turning a blind eye. Imagine when it came up in public people laughed and treated it like a joke. Imagine people cheering on this plague as it swept through your community, wistfully hoping that it killed you all. This is what the AIDS Crisis was like.

Nancy Reagan and her husband deserve to be remembered only for their silence, and the blood of tens of thousands of people on their hands. There were people--good people--trying to urge action to try and save lives. Yet, they chose to do nothing, to sit by and watch as tens of thousands died. This is the true legacy of Nancy Reagan.

To not acknowledge this truth about the Reagan legacy should be the social equivalent to denying the Holocaust.
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Nancy Reagan and her husband were silent as tens of thousands died. They were monsters. (Original Post) Meldread Mar 2016 OP
It was a purely cold political calculation. HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #1
Oh I think it was more than that n2doc Mar 2016 #3
I think just as importantly, is the joke itself. Meldread Mar 2016 #8
Jesus XemaSab Mar 2016 #11
I wish that were true. Meldread Mar 2016 #18
I'm optimistic but realistic XemaSab Mar 2016 #19
I live in the San Francisco Bay Area lunatica Mar 2016 #2
if only charlespercydemocrat Mar 2016 #4
Truth. Welcome to DU. Meldread Mar 2016 #17
Many thought that gays deserved death Bestuserever Mar 2016 #5
Ruth Coker Burks polly7 Mar 2016 #6
I am glad you read the article. She deserves a monument in her honor and in the memory of those she Meldread Mar 2016 #10
Yes, the contrast in compassion, empathy and her absolutely desperate need to get resources and polly7 Mar 2016 #12
I really don't understand this need to say something nice SamKnause Mar 2016 #7
Yeah, I know and agree. Meldread Mar 2016 #13
Agree. SamKnause Mar 2016 #14
The Reagans sided with the bigots who wanted gays dead. JEB Mar 2016 #9
This misspeak was YUUUUGE! more like M.I.S.S.P.E.A.K.!!!!!!!!!!!!! HereSince1628 Mar 2016 #15
Careful, I got scolded for calling them monsters. Seems we might have some holdout Reagan Dems. Rex Mar 2016 #16
 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
1. It was a purely cold political calculation.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 03:46 PM
Mar 2016

Reagan needed the RW Christians.
It was a purely cold political calculation for Clinton as well.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
3. Oh I think it was more than that
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 03:56 PM
Mar 2016

Reagan the ol football player was homophobic from way back, I would bet. His telling and enjoying of anti gay jokes seems very enthusiastic.

Meldread

(4,213 posts)
8. I think just as importantly, is the joke itself.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:12 PM
Mar 2016

The quote that you have in your post--it's important not only to focus on the reaction of the Reagans. They are, of course, disgusting. However, it is also important to focus on Bob Hope, who made the joke, as well as the rest of the "all-star audience". He told the joke, not only because it reflected the way he felt, but because he knew the audience would laugh.

This is a perfect picture into how the LGBTQ Community was treated and viewed. People were laughing, telling jokes, and wishing for us to die. They were gleeful as AIDS spread throughout our community.

I was a kid growing up during the 80's and 90's. I remember watching people pray in Church for AIDS to spread and kill as many gay people as possible. I grew up believing that it wasn't a question of IF I was going to get AIDS, it was a question of WHEN I got AIDS. I didn't dream about a future as a teenager, because I didn't believe that I had a future. I spent most of my teenage years in terror of what would happen after I caught AIDS and everyone found out, not only that I had what was tantamount to the plague, but that I was gay as a result. I used to spend a lot of time planning how I would commit suicide the moment I realized I was sick in an effort to keep it all a secret.

That was what my life as a teenager was like. I'll never forget those experiences. They are the reason I am a political activist and a militant liberal today. I carry those memories with me always.

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
11. Jesus
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:22 PM
Mar 2016

That is powerful.

I am so sorry for what you went through, and so glad that we're soon going to have a generation of gay kids growing up without fear.

Meldread

(4,213 posts)
18. I wish that were true.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 10:45 PM
Mar 2016

We still live in a world where LGBT children grow up with plenty of fear. It would be silly to say that things haven't changed--they've changed a lot. The things that happened when I was growing up just wouldn't be possible today. There is no way a President could ignore the death of tens of thousands of Americans to a mysterious plague, even if he or she wanted too.

Something that has revolutionized things for LGBTQ people has been the internet. In the past, we were scattered all over and disconnected with one another. What this meant in relationship to AIDS is that organizing, activism, and just getting information out and then disseminated throughout the community was insanely hard. This is no longer an issue. So, internally, we are more organized and prepared to deal with such a crisis, and we would be able to act more quickly (and in a more strongly organized way) to see immediate action taken. Outside of that, there is the shift in the cultural view of us. It is much more difficult today to openly espouse what is tantamount to genocidal feelings toward us--though such feelings certainly continue to exist.

...and if I ever get lost in thinking that we've come along way, I just remind myself of stories of children abused by their parents because they were perceived to be gay. Stories like this one, involving a 8 year old boy that was ultimately murdered by his mother and her boyfriend after being abused for months:

...

Aside from their relentless bullying under assumption that Gabriel was gay, allegations from more than 800 pages of testimony describe in full detail the hellish life that young Gabriel endured before his untimely death. “For eight straight months, he was abused, beaten and tortured more severely than many prisoners of war,” Deputy District Attorney Jonathan Hatami testified.

Here are just a few more things Fernandez and Aguirre did to Gabriel before murdering him in May 2013, according to testimony provided by Gabriel’s siblings, police, and the medical examiner who performed Gabriel’s autopsy:

– assaulted him with pepper spray
– forced him to eat his own vomit, cat feces and rotten spinach
– locked him in a cabinet with a sock used as a makeshift gag
– forged doctor’s notes to explain Gabriel’s physical signs of abuse to teachers
– denied him use of the bathroom
– called him “gay,” beat him when he played with dolls and forced him to wear “girls’ clothes” to school
– beat his head with a belt buckle, metal hanger, small bat and wooden club
– knocked several of his teeth out with a metal bat
– shot him with a BB gun

...


That's the real world that a lot of LGBTQ (real or perceived) children are born into--the world won't be safe or without fear until there are systems in place that actively protect, shelter, and protect LGBTQ people from abuse and violence. That means not only from their peers at school, their teachers and school staff, but it also includes their families as well as law enforcement and other governmental agencies. Then, after that, we'd still need the overwhelming majority of people stand behind such actions because they believe it is morally right, and condemn those who seek to hurt or hate us.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
2. I live in the San Francisco Bay Area
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 03:56 PM
Mar 2016

I recall vividly the first mention of something that was afflicting the gay community in San Francisco. The media talked about gay men who frequented bath houses getting a disease in the effort to find out the origin of the disease. At the time there was no knowledge whatsoever of what the cause of AIDS was. The disease didn't even have a name then.

Ronald Reagan could have spoken out early on and there would be tens of thousands still living now.

I often wondered how the Republicans made a god out of him.

Meldread

(4,213 posts)
17. Truth. Welcome to DU.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:23 PM
Mar 2016

It's true. If they had spoken out sooner it is likely thousands upon thousands would still be alive today. By speaking out and taking a leadership role on the issue, they would have stood opposed to the general public that was cheering for the spread of AIDS. They could have helped disseminate information about the causes of AIDS, and champion funding and legislation to help facilitate proper treatment--including patients rights.

This is what a truly just and good President and First Lady would have done.

Imagine how Nancy Reagan would have been remembered had she, instead of championing bullshit like "Just Say No", she was testifying to Congress while demanding funds for research and treatment. Imagine the First Lady visiting dying AIDS patients in the hospital, and showing compassion toward them while speaking about compassionate treatment. She could have been one of the most memorable and influential First Ladies in history, historians would have lauded her actions as she stood up against bigotry and prejudice to do what was right.

If there is a lesson that we can take away from any of this it is that doing what is right, even when it is unpopular, will only make you look good in the end.

Instead, Nancy and Ronald Reagan chose to be cowards and bigots. They chose to court the Religious Right over doing what was morally right, and as a result they both go to the grave with the blood of tens of thousands of people on their hands.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
6. Ruth Coker Burks
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:06 PM
Mar 2016

So many people with such terrible suffering abandoned by family members they were needing so badly - my chest hurts, I cried reading that link. A selfless, compassionate jewel of a woman. My heart aches for all of those who were lost to AIDS and the nightmare it was for them - not just physically, but knowing how stigmatized and, much of the time, hopeless it was to get help at that time.

The mother though trying to force a teaspoon of oatmeal into her dying son's mouth just did me in. So much sadness and heartbreak.

There are really no words.

Meldread

(4,213 posts)
10. I am glad you read the article. She deserves a monument in her honor and in the memory of those she
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:22 PM
Mar 2016

I am glad you read the article. She deserves a monument in her honor and in the memory of those she cared for as they died. I have read that article multiple times, and it is impossible for me not to tear up every time I read it. It is just so impossibly awful that it is difficult to understand. Yet, it is like an invisible history. It's like a plague swept through the country, killing tens of thousands, but the country refuses to recognize it. It's like the Holocaust happening, but the country decides that it didn't take place.

I think it is important to contrast Ruth's story alongside that video of how the White House responded. When you put those two things together, you really see the depth of villainy that was sweeping through the country at the time. You see the depth of human depravity, callousness, and cruelty.

It also becomes clear that it was an unforgivable crime against humanity to remain silent.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
12. Yes, the contrast in compassion, empathy and her absolutely desperate need to get resources and
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:35 PM
Mar 2016

attention for the health-care these people needed couldn't be more stark. Thank you so much for posting the article. I've done hospice care for residents in nursing homes here - the elderly and a few with chronic illness that had been residents for years - you do whatever you can to make their end of life more comfortable and they quickly become family - when they're in torment it rips out your heart. Our people usually had family for comfort. That's what just kills me reading this - how alone these AIDS pts. must have felt. Without the love and care of their partners, this amazing woman and others, and an LGBT community that must have been enraged at being abandoned as well, I can't even imagine the fear of being completely alone through it all - and I'm sure many were. So terrible and sad.

SamKnause

(13,091 posts)
7. I really don't understand this need to say something nice
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:10 PM
Mar 2016

about someone who has died. (Maybe it is perceived to be proper etiquette.)

If I didn't like you when you were alive, I will not praise you in death.

It makes zero sense.

I didn't like the Reagans and I have nothing kind to say about them.

I feel the same way about the Bush family.

I feel the same way about the Cheney family.

The U.S. treats its politicians like Kings and Queens.

I don't believe in Monarchies, elected or chosen by birth.





Meldread

(4,213 posts)
13. Yeah, I know and agree.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:36 PM
Mar 2016

It is ridiculous.

I'd hold my tongue out of respect for Ron Reagan, who is a good guy, and nothing like his father (thankfully).

However, this need to actually say something nice takes it too far. If someone had questioned me about Nancy Reagan and wanted a response, I would simply say that I send my condolences to her friends and family who are grieving. Then that would be the end of my statement. Respectful to those who matter, but silent toward her memory--much like she was silent toward the lives of tens of thousands of others.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
15. This misspeak was YUUUUGE! more like M.I.S.S.P.E.A.K.!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:55 PM
Mar 2016

It was sort of the Denali of misspeak.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
16. Careful, I got scolded for calling them monsters. Seems we might have some holdout Reagan Dems.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:01 PM
Mar 2016

Because for the life of me, I cannot understand this rare empathy for the universe I see from posters that were never like that before. All the sudden it is all flowers and puppies for everyone! Persona changes like that are painfully obvious.

May they both rot in hell right next to Scalia for all eternity. For every gay man and woman that they doomed to a short life of misery and death. And all the broken lives forever shattered and ostracized from their family and friends.

THIS IS ONE of the biggest reasons I hate the GOP with every fiber in me. They have so many unspeakable crimes to pay for and yet decade after decade nothing happens to them. I despise the GOP, they are the party of Death and War. Death dealers deserve nothing but scorn and ridicule.

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