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Last edited Sun Mar 13, 2016, 09:14 PM - Edit history (1)
Why has no one in the media asked Trump about what he said in 1991!
edit: It was Trump again in 1991 who trafficked in ugly racial and religious stereotypes when he whined that he didn't like Black guys counting his money. "The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day." As Trump said then, "laziness is a trait in blacks."
http://www.bet.com/news/national/2015/12/11/donald-trump-and-the-blacks.html
shawn703
(2,702 posts)And possibly fatally damaging to their establishment candidate.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)but in the same ball park, and playing for the same team.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)obviously, you've indicated who have the larger disagreement with.
shawn703
(2,702 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)now his position is that Mexicans are lazy, murdering, rapists.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)napkinz
(17,199 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)and yep that is what I mean.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)The T-rump party makes them look like a bunch of harmless Archie Bunkers.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)I bet Archie would be a birther! (And a Trump supporter.)
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)w0nderer
(1,937 posts)napkinz
(17,199 posts)Takket
(21,549 posts)saying today
napkinz
(17,199 posts)From refusing to rent to African-Americans in the 1970s to calling for the execution of the Central Park Five in 1989 to inciting violence against African-American protesters at his rallies today.
DavidDvorkin
(19,473 posts)The source isn't reliable:
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/fusion-misattributes-racist-quote-to-donald-trump/article/2567872
JanMichael
(24,881 posts)they suppoerted mccackle and gimme more romcomedy.
a total right wing rag.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)When it's true, there are usually many sources with far better reputations.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)According to a book written by former Trump Plaza Hotel & Casino president John R. O'Donnell, the real estate mogul once said in 1991 that "Laziness is a trait in blacks." He was allegedly referring to a black accountant working for Trump Plaza, and added, "Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day." The kicker is that Trump, in a 1999 Playboy magazine interview, did not even deny saying those things. He admitted O'Donnell's allegations were "probably true," but insisted it didn't matter because he was obviously a disgruntled employee.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/8-reasons-donald-trump-would-not-be-great-for-the-blacks_us_56e0729fe4b065e2e3d47e82
It was Trump again in 1991 who trafficked in ugly racial and religious stereotypes when he whined that he didn't like Black guys counting his money. "The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day." As Trump said then, "laziness is a trait in blacks."
http://www.bet.com/news/national/2015/12/11/donald-trump-and-the-blacks.html
Springslips
(533 posts)The quote sounds like him to the tee. You can't read that without hearing his flatten, Manhattan accent.
teach1st
(5,933 posts)In the "Disputed" section of Trump's Wikiquotes page:
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Donald_Trump
"Wrongly attributed" to Trump, who said the book with the alleged quote was "written by a fired and totally disgruntled employee who was terrible at the job he did and who I hardly knew." (Washington Examiner, 8 July 2015)
"Recalled" by John "Jack" O'Donnell, former president of Trump Plaza Hotel & Casino. O'Donnell, John R.; Rutherford, James (1 January 1991), Trumped!: The Inside Story of the Real Donald Trump -His Cunning Rise and Spectacular Fall, New York: Simon & Schuster, ISBN 9780671737351, OCLC 23355814, cited in "Ignoring Trump's Record of Racism". Fairness & Accuracy in Reporting. 2011-05-06. Retrieved on 2011-05-07. "But did Trump actually utter those words? Who knows?" Howard Kurtz (May 10, 1991). "Duck, Donald! Trump-Size Tackiness". The Washington Post.
Donald Trump: "I never said it. I hardly know this guy. He was running one of my casinos for a short period of time. He was firedwe fired him because he wasn't doing a very good job. He wrote this nasty book. He made up stuff... This guy, I hardly know him. He made up this quote. I've heard the quote before, and it's nonsense... I've never said anything like it, ever." Meet the Press (24 October, 1999)
According to a book written by former Trump Plaza Hotel & Casino president John R. O'Donnell, the real estate mogul once said in 1991 that "Laziness is a trait in blacks." He was allegedly referring to a black accountant working for Trump Plaza, and added, "Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day." The kicker is that Trump, in a 1999 Playboy magazine interview, did not even deny saying those things. He admitted O'Donnell's allegations were "probably true," but insisted it didn't matter because he was obviously a disgruntled employee.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/8-reasons-donald-trump-would-not-be-great-for-the-blacks_us_56e0729fe4b065e2e3d47e82
It was Trump again in 1991 who trafficked in ugly racial and religious stereotypes when he whined that he didn't like Black guys counting his money. "The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day." As Trump said then, "laziness is a trait in blacks."
http://www.bet.com/news/national/2015/12/11/donald-trump-and-the-blacks.html
It goes back to a single person who recalled something said months after the fact and put it in quotes.
And who tried to profit off of it.
As for the "allegations were probably true" (I'm not goin to sort out the rat's nest of quotation marks there), don't confuse "most or general" with "every single one." As I've pointed out before, it's patently true that cats are mammals and therefore have fur, two eyes, and four feet. However, there are cats with little fur, one or no eyes, and 3 or fewer feet. The exceptions don't deny the assertion because the assertion "cats have fur, two eyes, and four feet" is one that is generally true and applies to the typical case, but isn't an exhaustive statement.
But ill-will makes us parse things in the way that says we're good and the other guy's bad. When necessary, we interpret generics or bare plurals perfectly fine. At other times, we assume they're exhaustive because it suits us--it makes a denial stronger, an assertion stronger. Or it makes it very easy to trip up an opponent. But it's still just an interpretation based upon ill-will, amounting to nothing less than confirmation bias.
theonederbread
(2 posts)I made this account just to thank you for so eloquently highlighting the problem behind our highlighting an opposition's ill-will when it suits us. It's a shame more people don't understand this.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)theonederbread
(2 posts)Re-read the poster I commended, specifically the part about generics and base plurals, and how they can be interpreted normally or in exhaustive fashion, depending on whether we agree with the person or not.
To expand on it a bit, when speaking about generalities, we have a choice in interpreting the statement as all (exhaustive), most/generally, or even just some significant proportion. That choice of interpretation can alter the entire meaning and intent of the statement. And if we have ill-will towards the person making such a statement, we will choose to interpret it in the worst fashion possible (which is usually exhaustive, by nature of such statements).
If you're aware of the Ben Affleck and Sam Harris debacle on Real Time with Bill Maher, you'll see a clear example of such a case. Affleck had a negative impression of Harris and irrationally latched on an assumption that he was speaking about all Muslims (exhaustive) and received thunderous applause. This is despite the fact that Harris was specifically talking about percentages and subgroups within Muslim communities.
Regarding Trump, pay attention to what he's saying and whether or not he's actually making exhaustive statements about race or ethnic groups. Regarding the previous post, "probably true" is not exhaustive and should not be interpreted as an admission of guilt.
TeamPooka
(24,216 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)I'll try telling my wife that the next time she tells me to mow the lawn....but, I don't think she'll buy it.
WiffenPoof
(2,404 posts)Mister Ed
(5,926 posts)bitter
napkinz
(17,199 posts)The New York Times took a dive into whether Donald Trump's supporters are unusually racist or, in the newspaper's delicate phrasing, "responsive to religious, social and racial intolerance." And they came up with a stunning statistic: Nearly one in five Trump supporters didn't approve of freeing slaves in the Confederacy.
A YouGov/Economist poll in January asked respondents if they approved or disapproved of "the executive order that freed all slaves in the states that were in rebellion against the federal government."
That executive order is better known as the Emancipation Proclamation. Thirteen percent of respondents and "nearly 20 percent of Trump supporters," the Times reports, compared with 5 percent of Marco Rubio's said they disapproved of it.
It gets even worse. An additional 17 percent of respondents said they weren't sure.
read more: http://www.vox.com/2016/2/24/11105552/trump-supporters-slavery
heaven05
(18,124 posts)from racists following a fascist/racist? It is glaringly obvious what and who trump represents. This election will go down in our history as one that shows the world what has always been right under the crumbling facade of american democracy. These people ARE NOT newly angry at the direction america has gone in. Slavery endedd generations ago and who feels it shouldn't have ended? People who have ALWAYS been with us like a cancer eating away at social civilty and stability. I am so glad this clown trump has arrived to allow the cancer to come to the surface full blown ugly. America I'm so proud......not.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)Chauncey DeVega
March 1, 2016
Donald Trump is the preferred candidate of white supremacists. Online and in other spaces, they have anointed him their champion in the 2016 presidential race.
-snip-
The facts are not always kind. In reality, the relationship between the Republican Party and white supremacyand yes, the Ku Klux Klanis much deeper and more problematic than the comments by Rubio, Cruz, Spicer and other Republicans would suggest.
Political parties are a type of brand name that voters associate with a specific set of policies, ideas, personalities and moral values. Consequently, the types of voters who are attracted to a given political party also tells us a great deal about how it is perceived by the public. And in a democracy, the relationship between voters, elected officials and a given political party should ideally be reflected by the types of policies the latter advances in order to both win and stay in power.
By these criteria, the post-civil rights era Republican Party is the United States largest white identity organization, one in which conservatism and racism are now one and the same thing.
read more: http://www.salon.com/2016/03/01/donald_trump_has_dropped_the_gops_mask_conservatism_and_racism_now_officially_the_same_thing/
Initech
(100,054 posts)raging moderate
(4,296 posts)Last edited Sun Mar 27, 2016, 05:03 PM - Edit history (4)
White supremacists frequently describe Black people as lazy, dirty, and childish.
Oh, really? Do they really believe this?
Then WHY do white supremacists try to jimmy Black people into feeding, cleaning, and tending (sometimes even breastfeeding) their tiny babies? Or into planting, cultivating, picking, washing, cutting, and tossing their salads (and cooking their other food)? Or into serving the food at their tables? Or into doing their dishes and laundry for them? Or into fixing their hair for them? or into tending their sick and old people?
Whenever I see a movie depicting the way white supremacists THINK the world should be ordered, even the incredibly whitewashed "Gone with the Wind," I really have to ask myself, "Who is being childish here? And just who looks like the real adult in the room?" What a strange world it was! Those huge mansions, those large fields, those charming orchards, were mostly created by Black people.
If I really believed that somebody was lazy, dirty, and childish, I would certainly never let them near tiny babies, sick and old people, or food preparation and cleanup. So, Black people, I don't think any of these people really believe these lies about you, if that makes you feel any better. Or maybe it just makes you madder. I am trying to guess how I would feel if I were in your place. I suspect I would be pretty angry but still the constant lies would be wearing me down.
I gather, from my reading, that the cognitive clash between the words of the slaveowners and their pathetic overdependence on their Black slaves is what mostly fueled the Abolitionist movement. I have read several books written during that period by different sorts of people from the North. Northerners who traveled to the South, expecting happy fellowship with different people there, reportedly found that they could hardly choke down their food from gutwrenching pity for the horrible physical condition of the people who were serving the food (half-healed untreated wounds and badly healed scars, gaunt underfed skinniness, deep weariness, terror-stricken downcast eyes). And the callous indifference of the white slavers did not go unnoticed, either.
By the way, they also reported that the South at that time was divided mostly three groups: a large number of obviously half-starved, beaten, terrorized Blacks, a very small number of obviously overfed, overlicensed, overprivileged white slaveowners, and a large number of obviously discouraged, anemic, underfed poor whites. They reported that the poor whites seemed to be also victimized by the "aristocratic" white slavers, who were hogging all the land and resources and social approval. In general, they noticed a change for the worse in the physical infrastructure as they journeyed further into the slave states. But it was the plight of the Black slaves that really made their blood boil.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)of trumpchumps would like to see those half healed wounds and thick post whipping scars again. They would like to get back to those days where summary execution was the penalty for looking the white person in their eyes or not stepping out of their path if walking. I work part time in a service oriented job and the arrogance and barely disguised contempt of a certain segment of the people I 'serve' is close to the 20-25% of trumpchumps that hate brown people and who wish we were more subservient towards them. America, I'm so proud of our evolution as a free and truly equal society.......not.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)... it's back to the pre-Civil War days.
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KamaAina
(78,249 posts)The USFL team that Drumpf owned in the '80s?
napkinz
(17,199 posts)napkinz
(17,199 posts)He claims to have "a great relationship with the blacks," which is totally something a normal person would say.
He refused to condemn the white supremacists who are campaigning for him Three times in a row on Sunday, Trump sidestepped opportunities to renounce white nationalist and former KKK leader David Duke, who told his radio audience last week that voting for any candidate other than Trump is "really treason to your heritage."
When asked by CNNs Jake Tapper if he would condemn Duke and say he didnt want a vote from him or any other white supremacists, Trump claimed that he didnt know anything about white supremacists or about Duke himself. When Tapper pressed him twice more, Trump said he couldnt condemn a group he hadnt yet researched.
By Monday, Trump was saying that in fact he does disavow Duke, and that the only reason he didn't do so on CNN was because of a "lousy earpiece." Video of the exchange, however, shows Trump responding quickly to Tapper's questions with no apparent difficulty in hearing.
Its preposterous to think that Trump doesn't know about white supremacist groups or their sometimes violent support of him. Reports of neo-Nazi groups rallying around Trump go back as far as August.
read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-racist-examples_us_56d47177e4b03260bf777e83