5 Cumberland County deputies disciplined in connection with Trump rally

[deminks]

http://www.wral.com/5-cumberland-county-deputies-disciplined-in-connection-with-trump-rally/15554135/

Cumberland County, N.C. — The Cumberland County Sheriff’s Office said that five deputies have been disciplined in connection with the assault of Rakeem Jones at a Donald Trump rally in Fayetteville on March 9.

The sheriff’s office said the deputies witnessed the assault and did not take action. Three of the deputies were demoted and were also suspended without pay for five days. The other two were suspended without pay for three days. All five deputies face one year of probation.

In a statement, Sheriff Earl "Moose" Butler said the deputies faced disciplinary action for "unsatisfactory performance and failing to discharge the duties and policies of the office of the sheriff."

"The actions of the deputies and their failures to act in situations such as that which occurred during the Trump rally at the Crown Coliseum have never been and will never be tolerated under the policies of this office," Butler said in a statement.

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[SamKnause]

1. Good

[jpak]

2. I hope the good guy sues the bad guys

yup

[shadowrider]

5. Nah

In my opinion, he incited the incident by flipping the bird to the crowd. Had he simply walked out, that never would have happened. That doesn't excuse the deputies non-actions, but personally, I wouldn't go to a klan rally, incite them, and expect to come out unscathed.

[VMA131Marine]

6. Flipping the bird is covered under the First Amendment

Elbowing someone in the face when you have not been physically threatened is not.

[shadowrider]

8. The first amendment only applies to government speech, NOT at a private event

Again, would you go to a Klan rally and flip them off, and expect to go unscathed?

[ToxMarz]

9. What does that have to do with suing the attacker

There is nothing criminal about flipping the bird. Civilly there is also no money damages you could sue someone for for flipping the bird. Assault and battery are criminal actions. Civilly, actual damages/ punitive damages/ and pain & suffering are on the table. You could also sue the Klan members under your scenario if anything happened.

[Downtown Hound]

11. The laws against assault apply EVERYWHERE

Even private events. And actually yes, I have done exactly what you mention, and I came away unscathed. Until Trump, the Klan had pretty much been reduced to a fringe organization that was too cowed to do anything aggressive in public. Believe me, they get flipped off all the time at their rallies. They're used to it. Things might have been different for them in the 1920's. That time is long done for them.

But to address your point about whether or not I would expect otherwise is irrelevant. I've been to protests where the other side has come right up to us and protested in our crowd. Nobody did anything violent to them. Sure, we were annoyed, but there was no assault.

I expect adults to behave as such, which means you don't assault people that are already being escorted out, even if that person flips people off. To suggest that he was responsible for that redneck idiot not being able to control his temper is victim blaming and totally buying into the right wing bullshit defense about how it's all the protester's fault. No, it's the people that can't behave like adults and start throwing sucker punches fault.

[billhicks76]

13. It's Still Assault

There is no legal excuse for it. On private property or not.

[trumad]

23. I feel like punching you for that stupid post.

But I won't because it's against the law.

ugg!

[msanthrope]

24. Juror #6

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[trumad]

26. Sorry alert stalker...

They don't hurt me anymore.

[msanthrope]

27. I am so glad you are back. nt

[trumad]

28. ;

[awoke_in_2003]

30. Glad I scrolled down

I wanted to say the same.

[gratuitous]

7. Do you know why he flipped the bird?

As he was being escorted out, Trump said Rakeem Jones (the guy who got sucker-punched) should go home to his mother. Jones' mother died five years ago, and while Trump couldn't have known that, it didn't go down well with Jones, and prompted his reaction. It's still no reason for the cowboy-hatted coward to punch him.

[moonbeam23]

16. This wasn't a KLAN rally

it was a political rally given by a candidate for public office and open to the public...that means EVERYONE, even those that may not agree with the candidate...

Do we have to sign loyalty oaths now to go into these things??? Since when???

[Bernardo de La Paz]

17. Duh, no gesture is an excuse for violence. NONE, zip, zero, zilch.

The thug who punched him had no self-control because he (RWA follower) was looking for a fight.

[Nitram]

21. Shadow, that's assuming you are not being escorted from the premises by local law enforcement.

[Kelvin Mace]

3. Damn, a Southern sheriff who does his job.

Amazing.

[underpants]

10. Same Sheriff who consider pressing charges for inciting a right

Well the law and attorney's offices together.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

18. riot, not "right"

[underpants]

22. Ooops

[Jopin Klobe]

29. ... and ...

... it's absolutely beautiful ...

... it's never been easy to be a good "Cop" -- Police Officer ...

[redstatebluegirl]

4. I wonder how many cops support Trump?

[malaise]

12. Good

We had a post about them

[keithbvadu2]

14. Will Trump be hiring lawyers to defend the deputies?

[mountain grammy]

15. Glad to see this

It was shocking...it was their duty to protect that guy from the mob.

[Stinky The Clown]

19. Sherri Butler

[Nitram]

20. Excellent news.

Another sign that all is not lost.

[B Calm]

25. Finally a little justice!

[Hekate]

31. Now, that's how it's done.