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I feel bad for the 21 year old sentenced in North Korea (Original Post) SHRED Mar 2016 OP
Not very bright to say the least iandhr Mar 2016 #1
He was irresponsible LyndaG Mar 2016 #2
He really was irresponsible, stupid really. He was on a school tour, correct?..n/t monmouth4 Mar 2016 #3
I feel really bad for him also steve2470 Mar 2016 #4
That's so sad. polly7 Mar 2016 #5
Very sad SHRED Mar 2016 #6
Probably.... Wounded Bear Mar 2016 #9
I'm sick of naïve people who get themselves into stupid situations and expect to get off NightWatcher Mar 2016 #7
We've all done stupid shit SHRED Mar 2016 #8
I never went to a communist country for shits and giggles NightWatcher Mar 2016 #11
It is very dumb for sure SHRED Mar 2016 #13
We used to get stoned and crash golf carts (going < 5 mph) NightWatcher Mar 2016 #14
You rebel...LOL SHRED Mar 2016 #16
my guess is he's an immature 21 year old steve2470 Mar 2016 #10
I blame the group that sent him and didn't educate him about the risks. n/t pnwmom Mar 2016 #15
good point steve2470 Mar 2016 #17
He's 21, he should know Reter Mar 2016 #18
There are a lot of things that aren't "common sense" to Westerners Art_from_Ark Mar 2016 #26
I'm curious as to what this "Young Pioneers" group is, with which he was traveling. cwydro Mar 2016 #12
Some religious groups like the anti USA propaganda signs for Person 2713 Mar 2016 #19
Well yeah, very odd. cwydro Mar 2016 #21
Here for you.. Jitter65 Mar 2016 #20
That was an interesting read. cwydro Mar 2016 #22
I don't know if it's the same thing, but it used be a communist youth organization. white_wolf Mar 2016 #25
Me too... Raine Mar 2016 #23
Shame on the "pastors" etc who organize these "trips" SoCalDem Mar 2016 #24
There are no pastors involved in this melman Mar 2016 #27
Stupidity on one side and brutality on the other is not a good mix. Bad things will happen. n/t pampango Mar 2016 #28

LyndaG

(683 posts)
2. He was irresponsible
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 09:54 PM
Mar 2016

But, it was sad to see him cry like that. Hope something can be worked out soon and he can return home.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
4. I feel really bad for him also
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 09:59 PM
Mar 2016

He's only a year older than my son. If he ignored good advice not to do things like that...what can you say. It would be interesting to visit just to see how they live, but it would not be as fun as South Korea, for sure.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
5. That's so sad.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 09:59 PM
Mar 2016

For 'allegedly' stealing a sign??

But it sounded like he might be released after six months if a 'VIP' from the U.S. went to get him? The poor guy, and his family - I hope something can be worked out diplomatically for him.

Wounded Bear

(58,571 posts)
9. Probably....
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:06 PM
Mar 2016

NK has gotten their political coup now. In a few months we'll cut a deal and quietly get him back.

At least I hope so.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
7. I'm sick of naïve people who get themselves into stupid situations and expect to get off
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:03 PM
Mar 2016

It's friggin North Korea, what did you expect?

No one there has any rights, the ruler is a tool, and there's not even a Senor Frogs there, which is where 21 year olds are supposed to go for wacky antics.

He's going to have to pay dearly for his stupidity

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
11. I never went to a communist country for shits and giggles
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:09 PM
Mar 2016

But yes, we've all done stupid shit.

I just naïveté almost as much as gleeful, willful ignorance. I especially hate when people go to unfriendly foreign countries and expect the US Bill of Rights to cover their dumb asses.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
14. We used to get stoned and crash golf carts (going < 5 mph)
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:13 PM
Mar 2016

out in the gated community where my friend lived.

The worst we got was yelled at and his dad had to buy a new tire for a golf cart.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
10. my guess is he's an immature 21 year old
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:08 PM
Mar 2016

Yes, he's an adult and should know better, but I tend to give people that young some extra slack. God knows I did dumb things at that age.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
17. good point
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:17 PM
Mar 2016

If I was leading that group, I would have drilled into everyone to be absolutely rule-abiding to a fault (i.e, no destruction of property or removing posters, etc).

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
26. There are a lot of things that aren't "common sense" to Westerners
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 04:44 AM
Mar 2016

that can get them in trouble in North Korea.

For example, there was a Japanese TV program about a guided tour of Japanese tourists in NK a few years ago where the tourists were always being cautioned not to do this, not to do that, or they would be fined, or worse. For example, when entering a certain shrine, visitors had to avert their eyes, and if they looked in a certain direction, they could be fined several hundred $$$.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
12. I'm curious as to what this "Young Pioneers" group is, with which he was traveling.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:10 PM
Mar 2016

It's an odd story.

Person 2713

(3,263 posts)
19. Some religious groups like the anti USA propaganda signs for
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:40 PM
Mar 2016

their own apocalyptic war talk but the tours are out of China so as you stated its odd
http://www.youngpioneertours.com
WIN A FREE TRIP TO NORTH KOREA
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cwydro

(51,308 posts)
21. Well yeah, very odd.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:53 PM
Mar 2016

He mentioned his Christian church being involved too.

I'm thinking a very foolish young man

white_wolf

(6,238 posts)
25. I don't know if it's the same thing, but it used be a communist youth organization.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 04:17 AM
Mar 2016

I recall it was a thing during the days of the USSR and I assume its still around in China, but I'm not sure.

Raine

(30,540 posts)
23. Me too...
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 11:00 PM
Mar 2016

He was stupid but I have to admit I felt sorry for him when he crying & saying he was sorry.

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
24. Shame on the "pastors" etc who organize these "trips"
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 02:09 AM
Mar 2016

Young people are idealistic and probably think they are doing god's work.

Here's the truth:

Militaristic dictatorships do not want your religion/bibles/conversion attempts.

They DO want to trot "tourists" out in public (after making them confess)

and they WILL lock you up..

Take those "kids" to the Caribbean and let them have some fun..

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