Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 09:45 PM Mar 2016

I think tRump will run as a third party candidate

I just can't believe his ego will take much more of this pushback from the Repub Party.

I think before long he'll takes his ball and play elsewhere.

And I will be thrilled for our side!


..

20 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
7. Yes, it has been quite amusing to watch the Republicans
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:03 PM
Mar 2016

completely lose it because the Trumpzilla they've created is headed for the mainland!

They created this monster. They're going to have to live with it.

The central issue is that these Republicans may not like that the vast majority of their party is supporting Trumpzilla, but that's what happens when you feed your base a steady diet of fear and hate from Fox News and Limbaugh--for two decades!

These Republican nimrod "party leaders" really have no power when it comes to what their party faithful does. It's out of their hands.

They can do a great deal to trip up Trump. They've got a lot of power that way, but I think the majority of the Republican voters have gone feral. I don't think they're really listening to anyone but Trump, at this point.

A stern talking to from Mitt Romney or a few choice words from Mitch McConnell ain't putting this crazy train back on the tracks.

unblock

(52,116 posts)
4. if he wins the nomination, he pretty much *is* the republican party.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 09:55 PM
Mar 2016

republicans will fall in line as they always do.

c'mon, who do they think will cut taxes more, drumpf or the democrat?

they're only balking while there's still a chance to nominate someone else.

JVS

(61,935 posts)
5. I don't think he'll need to.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 09:56 PM
Mar 2016

Especially with Kasich in the race, I think he'll win enough delegates

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
6. I think he'll get the GOP nomination
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 09:57 PM
Mar 2016

And I pray he loses the election.
A President Trump will tear this country apart, and be very dangerous for the world.

 

lancer78

(1,495 posts)
15. I don't think so
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:48 PM
Mar 2016

Paul Ryan will make sure that Trump is nothing but a figurehead. Because the Speaker of the House has far more power then the President could ever dream of.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
8. You don't win as a third party candidate. If he really wanted to screw the Republicans...
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:05 PM
Mar 2016

and be on the winning side he'd throw his support to the Democratic nominee.

DinahMoeHum

(21,774 posts)
9. As a 3rd party candidate, though, he'd split the GOP vote. . .
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:13 PM
Mar 2016

. . .and thereby hand the general election victory to the Democrats. Whether their nominee
is Hillary OR Bernie.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
16. If he ran as a third party candidate and lost that would cost him and his ego. If he endorses...
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:57 PM
Mar 2016

the Democratic nominee he can just claim his endorsement made the difference.

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
10. Yes, when they have their "open" convention
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:16 PM
Mar 2016

(Renamed from "brokered" to "open" because it sounds better), Trump will get pissed and take his new party with him. I'll cheerfully hum a requiem watching them burn down their party.

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
11. Be too late...
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:22 PM
Mar 2016

He won't be able to get on the ballot in most states. It would have to be a write in campaign...and he is too cheap to spend his own money

OhioBlue

(5,126 posts)
12. That's what I'm thinking. too late for this year.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:28 PM
Mar 2016

He'll probably spend 4 years regrouping, spreading the hate and forming the new Bull Moose Party to try and paint himself as a TR progressive republican.

ZX86

(1,428 posts)
14. It really doesn't matter at this point.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:40 PM
Mar 2016

Trump has already destroyed the GOP. If Trump dropped dead tomorrow Cruz is their #2. It's all over except for the shouting.

tblue37

(65,227 posts)
17. I hope so, but he would need to either get one party to accept him as their nominee or
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 12:05 AM
Mar 2016

else jump through many hoops to get on the ballot in states--and there are fast-approaching deadlines for doing that. His other option is to encourage a write in campaign.

I think the Republicans might actually accept him rather than risk such an outcome, because they are obviously that unprincipled, but I hope they do steal the nomination from him and make him mad enough to destroy their electoral chances.

Vinca

(50,236 posts)
18. The GOP is definitely going to split.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:08 AM
Mar 2016

If they're forced to give Trump the nomination, I'm betting a third option appears for Republicans to vote for. This is good news for Democrats because, with the current level of turnout, we haven't got a prayer unless they do split.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
19. The GOP is banking on it.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:07 AM
Mar 2016

The Republican Party doesn't have a valid path to the White House this year, and they've known it for a year, and they've spent millions having people research the problem. The problem they want to solve is that the Democrats have a two-deep bench of candidates who can defeat any Republican.

(The problem they don't want to solve is that their predatory practices have literally killed off a critical percentage of voters, and now the GOP has a difficult time winning statewide elections, much less a national one like the Presidency.)

Clinton, Sanders, and Biden have all polled higher than the entire Republican clown car, and Romney, and Ryan. Left to its own inertia, the majority of American people intend to destroy the GOP forever, before the decade is out.

So the American people cannot be permitted to decide.

Therefore the only chance they have is to fall back on the gerrymandered House of Representatives, and the only way they can kick the election into the House is by (also, secretly) backing a third-party candidate who can take electoral votes away from the Democratic candidate so that no candidate wins a majority of electoral votes.

At that point, the House simply has to do what they do best, nothing, and by not selecting a President the Speaker of the House inherits the office by default, without a theft-vote that would doom a hundred Republican Congressmen in 2018. This is why the incompetent and alcoholic John Boehner had to be maneuvered out of the Speakership. The next Speaker will be elected in January and it's important that the evil inner circle already has their guy in place before then--and that guy is Paul Ryan.

Republican voters are stupid but Republican leadership is diabolically evil. They have two paths to a contested election:

1) Steal it from Trump and he is guaranteed to run as a third party. Then the GOP can quietly toss money to Trump in the states that they think he can take from the Democratic candidate above the Mason-Dixon line, where only he has a chance of winning against, say, Mrs. Clinton;

2) Let Trump have it and allow the oligarchs to run an establishment conservative as a third-party candidate. Kasich would be a good choice because he has a chance of bagging Ohio and maybe other rust-belt states.

It's a dangerous game that, if not played well, would guarantee a win for the Democrats and might also lose them the Senate. It's a short-term gambit as well, because it's certain to add to the ranks of people who will never again vote Republican, like all of us. The movement in this direction is obvious to me and others, and we should be asking about the bigger picture at this point, because this is a works-once move that is unlikely to be duplicated in the future. So why would they do it?

Looking beyond this election at the next census, the numerous prosecutions for gerrymandering and election irregularity, and the increasing ability of statistics to correctly detect when votes are being flipped, it's clear to me that the inner circle of the GOP isn't just looking for a candidate that can save them now; they are looking for the last Constitutionally-approved American President, who will become America's first President-for-life. Their evil ways have consumed their own electorate, and the powers that be are increasingly looking for some sort of tryant that they can install so that their increasingly less effective election thieving can be replaced by the smoky backroom dealings that have always determined the course of the GOP and the United States.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
20. I should also add....
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:34 AM
Mar 2016

That this election may be our one-and-only chance to kill the Republican party forever.

Senator Obama overcame Republican election-theft plans in '08 by building an overwhelming base of support, and he has brilliantly made himself relevant again by effectively putting himself in the running against every GOP Class III Senator up for election this year, as a mandate in favor of his Supreme Court nominee.

But we need something that keeps the knuckle-draggers at home while informed voters become aware of the fact that nothing changes if the House of Representatives is not flipped.

Trump could help us greatly by seeing the writing on the wall, accepting the theft of his nomination, and running instead as a write-in candidate for the House. That's sure to shave a couple percent off of every Republican Congressman's advantage, because Trump's voters are unlikely to understand that Trump is only running in one of 435 districts, and they'll write him in for their district, too.

That's the only thing I can think of that would still appeal to Trump's narcissistic personality disorder while preventing him from damaging Democratic Presidential chances. It also pads his resume for a future run and, once he realized that being a politician entails actual work, he is likely to lose interest in future runs against us.

There is another outside possibility, which is to attack Trump psychologically in hopes of triggering a self-esteem crash just before the election, to get him to meekly apologize for his evil ways just before the election and ask that the people do the right thing for once. That's actually highly possible. Consider the fact that GW Bush, who is also a narcissist, had to spend two years on vacation because self-realization incapacitated him for nearly one-quarter of his Presidency. Trump has an indentifiable and exploitable character flaw and we'd be fools not to turn it to our advantage, before Vladimir Putin turns it to his.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»I think tRump will run as...