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Angry Arizona Voters Demand: Why Such Long Lines at Polling Sites?
PHOENIX Cynthia Perez, a lawyer, stopped by a polling site on her way to work here on Tuesday, thinking she could vote early and get on with her day. She changed her mind when she found a line so long she could not see the end of it.
The line was just as big when she came back midafternoon and bigger three hours later, after she had finally cast her ballot.
To me, said Ms. Perez, 31, this is not what democracy is about. . .
But beyond the electoral breakdown here, many observers saw Arizona as a flashing neon sign pointing toward potential problems nationally at a time that 16 states will have new voting restrictions in place for the first time in a presidential election. The presidential election will be the first since the Supreme Court dismantled a crucial section of the Voting Rights Act in 2013, freeing nine states, including Arizona and parts of seven others, to change their election laws without advance federal approval.
Wisconsin, which holds its primary elections April 5, is one of nine states with strict photo ID requirements. Thirty-three states have some form of voter ID. Kansas has enacted proof-of-citizenship requirements for all voter registration, a move that has disproportionately affected young voters and those attempting to register for the first time. North Carolina allows a registered voter to challenge the identity and eligibility of any voter casting a ballot in the same county.
On March 9, Gov. Doug Ducey, a Republican, signed a law that made it a felony to collect ballots for others in Arizona and bring them to the polls.
Its worrisome what the states are doing without these protections, said Allegra Chapman, director of voting and elections for Common Cause, a watchdog group.
Arizona has a long history of discrimination against minorities, preventing American Indians from voting for much of its history because they were considered wards of the nation, imposing English literacy tests on prospective voters and printing English-only election materials even as the states Spanish-speaking population grew.
For 38 years, it had to seek federal approval for any changes to electoral rules and procedures, under Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act. If the provision were still in place, the Justice Department would probably have barred the closing of polling places that led to hours of waiting, chaos and frustration.
Democrats and other critics say many of the new restrictions reflect a strategy by Republican legislatures to suppress the votes of minorities and other Democratic voters. Republicans contend they are needed to prevent voter fraud. But Richard L. Hasen, an election law expert at the University of California, Irvine, said the end of federal oversight had opened the door to the chaos in Arizona.
This doesnt appear to have been caused by the intention to make it harder for anyone to vote, but by bureaucratic incompetence, Mr. Hasen said. Section 5 was very important in catching these screw-ups, a second pair of eyes that just arent there anymore.' . .
The fault goes to the entire Republican leadership, Mr. Quezada said. They have created a culture of placing less importance on elections, less importance on voting, and who have had no reservations to sacrifice democracy if it accomplishes their objectives.'
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/25/us/angry-arizona-voters-demand-why-such-long-lines-at-polling-sites.html?
still_one
(92,174 posts)of the voters rights act.
elleng
(130,865 posts)and one more symptom of US devolving into a 'banana republic,' to put it crudely.
FourScore
(9,704 posts)LuckyLib
(6,819 posts)All the obstacles and roadblocks that are placed in front of Ameican's RIGHT to vote...
Well, it's just criminal.
turbinetree
(24,695 posts)Johnny Roberts and brother Kennedy made there first bit of history inn this state when the were writing briefs on how to block people the right to vote, for there U.S. Supreme Court bosses and the presidents relying on them to do that job right there in Arizona in the last 70;s and 80's, implementing the poll tax
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billhicks76
(5,082 posts)It's criminal.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,233 posts)Senator....WTF did he do?
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)That's all he could do. It wasn't a statement. It was in a speech. But there is no reasoning with you. Hillary could be caught conspiring with the Bush family and you would find an excuse.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,233 posts)what legislation has BS introduced to counteract the decimation of the VRA? It's a simple question.
Were you this upset after BS' upset victory in MI? And if not...why not? Many areas that were favorable to Hillary ran out of ballots, including Flint.
Flint voters turned away at some polls after city runs out of ballots
By Steve Neavling
Motor City Muckraker
Government has failed Flint again.
If it wasnt bad enough that thousands of residents were needlessly poisoned by contaminated water for 18 months, some of the citys voters couldnt even get a ballot in todays Michigan primary election.
At least three precincts ran out of ballots today, forcing voters to either leave their phone numbers or wait until additional ballots arrived.
Some residents left without voting.
Mayor Karen Weavers office told NBC25, The Mayors Office is aware that some precincts ran out of ballots today. While Mayor Weaver has no control over the conduct of elections, she is very concerned. We have been attempting to reach the Clerk to find out why it happened...................
http://motorcitymuckraker.com/2016/03/08/flint-voters-turned-away-at-some-polls-after-city-runs-out-of-ballots/
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)Where was his outrage when ballots ran out in Flint? It seems he only gets upset about voter suppression in states he loses.
Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)maxrandb
(15,323 posts)the "effing" Democrats who sat out two mid-term elections and thousands of local races had absolutely no responsibility for turning over complete control of State and Local Governments to the fucking Tea-Bagger movement
I wish this "passion" for protecting voting rights had existed before the T-Bagging asshats took over without a fucking whimper!
I'll give you this...since all we can do now is "bitch and moan" about it...DU is doing a fucking stellar job of that.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,233 posts)fire breathing, rancid conspiracy theories & pitchforks at the ready to crucify them all, just two days ago. <<<sigh>>>
democrank
(11,093 posts)are the Arizona voters.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,233 posts)conducted were inciting rage against people who have absolutely no responsibility at all. That's why every state has it's own Sec of State.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)talked about it in Arizona. Poll closure has been particularly burdensome on the Native Americans in rural areas. There have been egregious instances of voter roll purges aimed at Native people. This did not start in March of 2015, the voters know this, both of our candidates know this and many interested parties know this.
An article from 2012:
How Native Voters Are Routinely Disenfranchised in Arizona
From voter ID laws to inaccessible polling stations, Native voters in Arizona face a cascading series of hurdles to participating in the November election.
http://www.colorlines.com/articles/how-native-voters-are-routinely-disenfranchised-arizona
In 2013 SCOTUS overturned one aspect of Arizona voter suppression laws:
Supreme Court Strikes Down Arizona Voter Suppression Law
http://www.thenation.com/article/supreme-court-strikes-down-arizona-voter-suppression-law/
This is an in depth paper called 'The History of Indian Voting Rights in Arizona: Overcoming Decades Of Voter Suppression'
http://arizonastatelawjournal.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Ferguson_Final.pdf
So those who thought this was a surprise or a 'big fake' were obviously not informed nor paying attention prior to Tuesday, not to election events in Arizona and not even to what our two candidates have been saying.
elleng
(130,865 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,233 posts)that this was an epic failure of government, and had nothing to do with any specific candidate, or the party chair. But alas......
elleng
(130,865 posts)I blame the 'system.'
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)I remember Greg Palast going to Arizona and writing about it when SoS Brewer purged 100,000 registered voters from the rolls.
elleng
(130,865 posts)As I said, I blame the system, and it was aggravated by the supreme's decision, badly.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Tarheel_Dem
(31,233 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Sorry but DWS and Clinton love this. And there is a mountain of bad things they have done without anything to do with AZ.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,233 posts)Hillary and DWS were .........Oh nevermind.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)They are both sell outs. Yuuuuuge sell outs. It would take 10 pages to list the harmful things they have both done. And I'm PROUD to donate $$$ to Canova, Debbie's primary challenger. Who the hell limits debates and hands the media spotlight to Trump. It's a crime I say. As far as AZ goes the facts remain the same. Thousands waiting in line didn't get to vote. 90% of them were Bernie supporters. I do believe Clinton was aware and Bernie was caught off guard. Either way Clinton benefited most. All that matters is that Bernie wins as an opportunity to elect someone like him happens rarely. There will be many deceitful politicians like Hillary in the future. There will also be many better female candidates.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,233 posts)It was Maricopa County where Hillary dominates with Latino voters, so I would love to see some solid proof of this assertion. BS is a politician, and there AIN'T nothing special about him. He's been on Capitol Hill for decades, and it hasn't made one iota of difference. You still never answered my question. The VRA was gutted 3 years ago. AZ & many other states no longer have to get pre-clearance from the Fed to change voting laws. What legislation did BS introduce to rectify this? And what happened with said legislation? Simple question. Enough with wild conspiracies and ad hominems.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)But I bet he will be on it in the future. And Hillary was not even close when people in line were polled.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,233 posts)to re-register as Democrats to participate in a "closed" primary. They clogged up the lines for hours, and weren't even registered. Why is that most of Hillary's voters knew about mail-in ballots, and the BS campaign couldn't figure that out? The bulk of Hillary's votes were banked well before election day.
Sounds like while BS was holding yyyyuuuuugggggeeeee rallies, the Voter Education arm of his campaign had their thumbs up their collectives asses.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Many many people registered as far back as 2008 as democrats and their registrations weren't listed. I'm sure there were some independents too.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,233 posts)You're making unsubstantiated allegations out the wahzoo, and all I asked for was a link. Not that I don't trust you. I mean, why wouldn't I?
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Countless people had their registration cards with them that said democrat but the computers said independent.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Has swept 3 states with 70+%. Ever.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,233 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)That's a reason to vote against Hillary. Ruined lives just like mass incarceration. As far as campaign coordinating and strategy yes Hillary outperformed Bernie. And you're making a big mistake...most of those voters were registered democrats and the lines were because of limited poll stations not independents.
former9thward
(31,986 posts)The ballots were mailed out a month before. Did she want to become victim? So she could blog about it?
elleng
(130,865 posts)Did someone inform her of that?
Aerows
(39,961 posts)when the peanut gallery chimes in with an insult instead of a cogent comment on the original subject.
DUH?!
Aerows
(39,961 posts)to make a world.
Stray comments get kind of fun though
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Voters have a right to expect to be able to vote at a polling place fairly expedtiously, without having to wait in line for hours to vote or just to park their cars.
elleng
(130,865 posts)we know that, but some, I guess, would rather blame voters, so insert junk posts into an otherwise informative thread.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)how big of a mess we have that people in *OUR* country have to put up with the shenanigans that have happened all across our country with respect to voting.
I hear our leaders condemn a country with rigged elections, and I'm just shy of bitter.
elleng
(130,865 posts)and moreso every day.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)it is voter suppression, otherwise.
Annoyed does not cover how PO-ed I am this primary season. How in the HELL do you run out of ballots? You have the registrar of voters and know damn many you need.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Choosing to stand in line to vote is now indicative of wanting to be a victim? Or is this simply another pretense of cleverness?
former9thward
(31,986 posts)It took me all of 30 seconds to do that and put it back in the addressed, postage paid envelope. Then putting in back in the mailbox. She was unable to do that HARD work. Right...
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)Regular people or rich people?
Democrats or Republicans?
former9thward
(31,986 posts)mhatrw
(10,786 posts)Or a table?
Or an address?
What world do you live in?
former9thward
(31,986 posts)What world do you live in? Not in mine, thank goodness.
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)Maybe you would like to deny tax refunds to anyone who files his or her taxes on April 15th next?
SalviaBlue
(2,916 posts)It is not okay to blame the victim. Voting in person should not take hours. You seem to want to blame the victim. You sound like a republiCON.
former9thward
(31,986 posts)She wanted to be a victim.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Bad, and at the most centrally located they had a bomb threat.
On top of it all, they ran out of ballots for Republicans at some precincts.
Our elections are a joke.
elleng
(130,865 posts)and we'll be going down (FURTHER down) as time (and elections) go on.
Hold our hats. (and grandbabies.)
Aerows
(39,961 posts)but I hold onto them just the same.
I said that they were a joke flippantly, but they really aren't. Our country is on the cusp of a real disaster if we don't have leadership that makes wise decisions.
elleng
(130,865 posts)in 'recent' years, recent taken loosely, they ARE a joke, as you say; cusp of a real disaster.
REAL leadership is critical, and with the game playing, chances of that occurring are slim. HOW many years since the first 'effort' to clean up voting mechanisms???
neverforget
(9,436 posts)elleng
(130,865 posts)'a flashing neon sign pointing toward potential problems nationally at a time that 16 states will have new voting restrictions in place for the first time in a presidential election.'
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Last edited Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:46 PM - Edit history (1)
JOE DANA @JoeDanaReportsConsider: 2012 primary had 300,000 voters and 200 polling places. 2016 primary has estimated 800,000 voters at 60 polling places. #12News
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elleng
(130,865 posts)former9thward
(31,986 posts)See post #52.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)I'm not saying they are precise, I'm saying that someone sent a tweet. But, see the statistics and cite them instead of shooting a broadside and wasting my time, unless you just want to waste my time, we can do that all day.
former9thward
(31,986 posts)You are using the state wide vote and saying they were all in those 60 polling places, when those were in just one county. You are also willfully ignoring the fact most of those voters did not even go to any of the polling places, they voted by mail, like me.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Horseshit. Excuse my language, but the only other description I could come up with was more foul.
former9thward
(31,986 posts)All your numbers are false. The 60 polling places were in ONE county, Maricopa. You are using state wide voter numbers. And most people voted by MAIL. They did not go to the polling place.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)The rest of the counties have a few voters too, lots of Republicans, blue in Tucson though.
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Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)Now imagine if we had good voter turnout
You would be in line for days.
elleng
(130,865 posts)What will AZ voters do, at the General? "Why the heck should I bother???"
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Talking points need to be "politically correct" these days.
elleng
(130,865 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)salin
(48,955 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Sigh...somebody want to step up and prosecute them for breaking the law?
elleng
(130,865 posts)Unfortunately many of the benefits of the Voting Rights Act were 'disappeared.'