Trump Supporter Says Jesus WASN’T a Jew: Whites are the Real Chosen People

[KamaAina]

Not The Onion!

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/03/11/religious-nuttiness-jesus-jew.html

Well known is the old English adage that Jesus is an Englishman. But the quaint charm of an assertion like that is missing entirely when one of Donald Trump’s supporters says Jesus wasn’t a Jew.

It is a view altogether too reminiscent of Hitler’s conception of Jesus as an “Aryan fighter” who “who took up His position against Jewry.”

This new claim comes from Thomas Robb, whom the SPLC describes as “an Arkansas-based Christian Identity pastor and head of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, which he took over in the 1980s after the departure of David Duke.”

According to Robb, appearing on “The Alan Colmes Show” on Fox Radio Wednesday, Jesus was not a Jew. “He was an Israelite.” If that distinction seems bizarre, read on.

[Gomez163]

1. The evidence

1. He stayed at home until age 30
2. He worked in the family business
3. His mother thought he was God.

[KamaAina]

2. Thread win on your 41st post!

[dixiegrrrrl]

14. DUZY of a Duzy...!!

if we still had Duzy awards, you would get one.

[nichomachus]

23. And #4

He thought she was a virgin.

[Gomez163]

25. Yes I stole the joke from a Jewish friend who told it to me

I'm sure its an old one

[Odin2005]

50. Oh my!

[desmiller]

3. Typical white trash trying to make themselves more relevent than everybody

else. I would laugh, but I won't because it's that type of thinking that're getting people hurt and killed.

[no_hypocrisy]

4. Didn't the Bible link Mary's lineage with the House of David?

Wouldn't that make Jesus Jewish?

[Human101948]

5. It was Immaculate Conception, neither Mary or Joseph had anything to with it...

He came out a fully formed Caucasion.

[lunatica]

9. LOL!

[Retrograde]

16. The Immaculate Conception has little to do with the birth of Jesus

It refers to Mary's having been conceived without the taint of original sin. What you mean is the virgin birth of Jesus, without the aid of a human father.

Among my many pet peeves is people who try to make jokes about or bash Catholicism getting the terms wrong.

[Bluenorthwest]

40. You know the fact that YOUR sect says it that way just means your sect says it that way

No one else has any reason to use terms suited to your sect. Mary's birth status is not of importance to those outside the Cathlodox sects.

[SammyWinstonJack]

43. Ha!

[Wounded Bear]

12. I'm pretty sure that Biblical Jewish law states...

that no one who is not a direct descendant of King David could be King of the Jewish nation. Therefore, for Jesus to qualify as "King" he would have to have that lineage. That's why in two of the Gospels (IIRC) start out with a listing of his bloodline from Adam through David to the time of his birth. Of course, Christians of his ilk can have selective memory.

They also kind of glide over the whole "Immaculate Conception" thing, which if true means he has NO earthly ancestry.

[Drahthaardogs]

21. The Christmas Even Gospel - The Solemnity of the Navity

The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ,
the son of David, the son of Abraham.

Abraham became the father of Isaac,
Isaac the father of Jacob,
Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers.
Judah became the father of Perez and Zerah,
whose mother was Tamar.
Perez became the father of Hezron,
Hezron the father of Ram,
Ram the father of Amminadab.
Amminadab became the father of Nahshon,
Nahshon the father of Salmon,
Salmon the father of Boaz,
whose mother was Rahab.
Boaz became the father of Obed,
whose mother was Ruth.
Obed became the father of Jesse,
Jesse the father of David the king.

David became the father of Solomon,
whose mother had been the wife of Uriah.
Solomon became the father of Rehoboam,
Rehoboam the father of Abijah,
Abijah the father of Asaph.
Asaph became the father of Jehoshaphat,
Jehoshaphat the father of Joram,
Joram the father of Uzziah.
Uzziah became the father of Jotham,
Jotham the father of Ahaz,
Ahaz the father of Hezekiah.
Hezekiah became the father of Manasseh,
Manasseh the father of Amos,
Amos the father of Josiah.
Josiah became the father of Jechoniah and his brothers
at the time of the Babylonian exile.

After the Babylonian exile,
Jechoniah became the father of Shealtiel,
Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel,
Zerubbabel the father of Abiud.
Abiud became the father of Eliakim,
Eliakim the father of Azor,
Azor the father of Zadok.
Zadok became the father of Achim,
Achim the father of Eliud,
Eliud the father of Eleazar.
Eleazar became the father of Matthan,
Matthan the father of Jacob,
Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary.
Of her was born Jesus who is called the Christ.

Thus the total number of generations
from Abraham to David
is fourteen generations;
from David to the Babylonian exile,
fourteen generations;
from the Babylonian exile to the Christ,
fourteen generations

[Drahthaardogs]

19. And Joseph's

Both were from the line of David.

[nichomachus]

24. No

It links Joseph's lineage with the House of David, which makes no sense because, according to the bible myth, Joseph had nothing to do with it.

[struggle4progress]

6. This "Aryan Jesus" theory can be traced back to Nazi Germany. Nazi plans to control

all social organizations included the German churches

But the Kirchenkampf did not progress as smoothly as the Nazis had hoped. It eventually involved smaller strategic moves, such as an effort divorce German churches from the Jewish scripture that have always played in the churches: this was justified as part of the wider removal of all "Jewish influences" from society, and it included Nazi-sponsored "scholarship" denying the Jewishness of Jesus

Thomas Robb's ideological views fit rather neatly into that history: he is a holocaust-denier, directs a KKK group, and teaches “the Anglo Saxon, Germanic, Scandinavian, and kindred people are THE people of the Bible”

[Mc Mike]

7. The reich's religious minister, Rosenberg, pulled a bait and switch on Germans.

Started out promoting right wing cartoon christianity, and progressed to gnostic catharism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Rosenberg

[Angel Martin]

11. actually, depictions of "Aryan Jesus" go back well before the Nazis

https://news.artnet.com/art-world/racist-jesus-lawsuit-met-museum-388382

my particular favourite "Aryan Jesus":

[struggle4progress]

13. Anthropological theories of "Aryanism" don't extend back beyond the 19th century;

and the Nazi theories of Europeans as "Aryans" are appropriations of fin de siècle publications

Funny cartoon, though

[Drahthaardogs]

20. As one who counts their ancestors from the Romans, Greeks, and Macedonians I say

New Rule:

If you claim to be the Superior Race, you must have ruled the known world for at least 100 consecutive years. Sorry Mr. Drumph, three attempts, three failures. However Alexander and Caesar say HI

[Mosby]

8. rev j wright said jesus is a palestinian

Seems like there are a lot of folks that don't want to deal with the fact that jesus was a jew living in the Jews ancestral homeland of Israel, Judea and Samaria.

[Initech]

10. Is there anything that *IS* the Onion?

[truebrit71]

15. Ummm....I think the title 'King of the Jews' is a bit of a give away...

...

[TexasMommaWithAHat]

18. LOL

Thread winner!

[whistler162]

22. Everyone knows he came from the 13th tribe

which Joseph Smith found in America so Jesus was American!

[seanjoycek476]

26. What a racist fool

Just like the rest of Trump's fans. Pathetic.

[Else You Are Mad]

27. SMH...

This is just another example of the mental gymnastics that these white racists have to go through in order to validate their world view.

[Half-Century Man]

28. I'll tell you something Jesus never said. A single fucking word in English.

He never said "G*d (or, I) bless America.
He never said "Blessed be the republicans for they have their shit together".

Not being any sort of christian, I can only sum up the barest understanding of his message based on unrequested explanations thrust upon me. It was something like; Don't be an annoying asshole and help someone out a little each day. You'll be a better person bit by bit.


If I got it wrong, okay; but that seems like a good philosophy to follow anyway.

[KamaAina]

29. He actually might have.

Joseph of Aramathea was a tin miner. There are tin mines in England. Just sayin'.

[Half-Century Man]

30. I have heard the name before, but I have no idea who J of A is.

[KamaAina]

32. The man with whom Jesus spent his "lost years"

i.e. adolescence and early adulthood, not chronicled in the Gospels.

Of course, even if the English legend were true and he did go there, he wouldn't have been speaking English but Anglo-Saxon or something even earlier.

[Half-Century Man]

35. There were tin mines in Mezoamerica as well

Maybe he was Olmec, Quetzalcoatl perhaps (legend has it Q was a bearded white guy).

[KitSileya]

38. Not Anglo-saxon. Celtic.

The Anglo-Saxons didn't come to England to settle until the 400s. The Romans came in the 50s, Julius Caesar notwithstanding. The Britannic peoples were of the Celtic culture, which settled in large psrts of Souther Europe. Galatia of the letter in the New Testament fame was Celtic.

[redwitch]

47. Years ago a lector at my church mispronounced his name as

Joseph of Arrhythmia. I had my hand over my mouth and buried my face, biting my tongue. I couldn't make eye contact with anyone around me. Everyone around me was using every bit of self control to not burst out laughing. It was absolutely hilarious.

[Odin2005]

51. What is now England was Celtic-speaking at the time.

[Odin2005]

52. Jesus spoke Aramaic.

Aramaic was the predominant language in the Middle East in Roman times (Hebrew had been relegated to a mere liturgical language).

[Half-Century Man]

54. So I have heard.

Most probably Jesus was multilingual as most people are and were. Hebrew, Koine, and Aramaic are the most likely tongues he knew. I know he spoke Hebrew, he was a Rabbi.

[LiberalElite]

31. THere's a Black Israelite group

whose members do some sidewalk preaching in NYC - they claim THEY're the chosen people. I always want to say to them - Hitler killed 8 million Jews. Are you saying he killed the wrong people? But I wisely keep my mouth shut and keep walking....

[KamaAina]

33. Revisionist! I thought it was only 6 million.

edit: It probably adds up to 8 million when you throw in LGBT people, the disabled, the Roma (Gypsy) people, etc.

[LiberalElite]

37. You're right - 8 mil is the number

that's always cited AFAIK but I know it isn't all Jews. Just about 80% of it.

[Humanist_Activist]

39. Are you sure you aren't confusing them with Beta Israel?

Possible descendants of Jewish traders from around 2,000 years ago who kept up traditions up until the modern day in the area around Ethiopia?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta_Israel

[Bluenorthwest]

41. There are black separatist groups with strong antisemitic views, Yahwes, Original African Hebrew

Israelite Nation of Jerusalem and others that do preach exactly what the poster says. I have had hate mail from them, just as I have from the white identity groups who hold the same sort of views.

From Southern Poverty Law Center:
Black separatists typically oppose integration and racial intermarriage, and they want separate institutions -- or even a separate nation -- for blacks. Most forms of black separatism are strongly anti-white and anti-Semitic, and a number of religious versions assert that blacks are the Biblical "chosen people" of God.
Although the Southern Poverty Law Center recognizes that much black racism in America is, at least in part, a response to centuries of white racism, it believes racism must be exposed in all its forms. White groups espousing beliefs similar to black separatists would be considered clearly racist. The same criterion should be applied to all groups regardless of their color.
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideology/black-separatist


The white version espoused by this Trump supporter is also well established hate dogma:
Identity Church Movement:
The Worship of Hate

The Identity Church movement, a pseudo-theological manifestation of racism and anti-Semitism on the far right, first came to light in the U.S. during the late 1970s and early 1980s, though its roots lie in the late years of the last century, with the British movement known as Anglo-Israelism.

Anglo-Israelism held that white Anglo-Saxons are descended from the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel. Adherents to this doctrine believed that England and the U.S. are the true Israel in which Biblical promises to the "Chosen People" are to be fulfilled. The Identity movement takes the position that white Anglo-Saxons ­ not Jews ­ are the real Biblical "Chosen People;" that Jews are the descendants of a union between Eve and Satan; and that the white race is inherently superior to other races. Identity believers assert that Blacks and other nonwhites are "mud people," on the same spiritual level as animals, and therefore without souls.

A nationwide movement, Identity has filled dozens of "churches" with its hate. Additionally, Identity has become the "religion" of choice for many hate groups, including Aryan Nations and the Posse Comitatus, in addition to some factions of the Ku Klux Klan.
http://archive.adl.org/poisoning_web/id_church.html

These groups have animosity toward the 'other race' for sure but they share much common ground- they hate race traitors, Jews and LGBT far more than they hate one another.

[Humanist_Activist]

49. Just giving his account a possible alternate explanation, there's all sorts of fucked up groups...

there. These hate groups are so fucked up all the time.

Besides, I do like looking up things about the edges of the Jewish diaspora, going as far as China. Its fascinating from a historical perspective, we are taught history as if people stand still, it seems, largely dividing the world East v. West, etc. but its really a lot fuzzier than that.

[LiberalElite]

42. I dont' think so - these guys are Americans nt

[0rganism]

34. and did those feet in ancient time, walk upon England's mountains green?

and was the holy Lamb of God on England's pleasant pastures seen? - William Blake, 1804

[nadinbrzezinski]

36. Without googling this guy... Christian Identity Church member?

I have heard this before.

Do I get a price? I did not read any of that what was linked and then I read it, Christian Identity. This is a core dogma for the Christian identity church. This is getting bad... not reading and I know alrady what they are talking about.

Good news. they are getting exposed outside of the usual sewers

[Bluenorthwest]

44. I am very familiar with them as well as with other groups that don't care for 'race mixing' nor for

Jews and LGBT.

Here is an ADL article "Identity Church Movement: The Worship of Hate" has lots of background history and such...
http://archive.adl.org/poisoning_web/id_church.html

[Socal31]

45. The color of his skin or what his ethnicity is are the least ridiculous debates about Jesus Christ.

Psychologically we like to identify with our heroes. Picturing them in a form similar to ourselves is natural.

The real issue is the other stuff that people believe about Jesus.

[spanone]

46. what a crazy fucking world we live in. hard to believe the shit you read these days

[PersonNumber503602]

48. To be fair though, aren't these the same people who would support any white republican?

I'm not defending Trump, but these guys would exist even without Trump being out there. So I guess my question is if they are just more vocal, or if they are simply getting more attention now. Although, I do recall more than a few news reports during the 2008 election in which they captured racist West Virginians (I think that's where they were from) saying some pretty awful things.


I guess my point is that the republican party is where ignorant racists go. It's been like that over the past two decades in which I've been "aware" of politics. This is nothing new. Why are so many people shocked? (other than the fact we'd expect it to be getting better)

[Buzz cook]

53. A myth of any other color would stink just as bad.

The Easter bunny is white too.

[John1956PA]

55. Remember the 2002 depiction of what Jesus might have looked like?

The following is a link to a 2015 article which explains that this particular depiction of the face of Jesus first made the news in 2002, but a new generation of readers (who were too young to remember the 2002 news stories) have recently used social media to post images of that depiction.

http://www.obsev.com/life/real-non-white-face-jesus-revealedagain.html