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former9thward

(31,913 posts)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 08:02 PM Mar 2016

Chelsea Clinton: Democrats will not regain the House in 2016

She bluntly declared near the top of her 20-minute speech that Democrats will not regain control of the House this November. “Maybe in 2022,” she explained, after redistricting. “While I wish that weren’t true,” she said, “we have to deal with the political realities as we find them.” She then talked about how well her mom worked with Republicans like Tom DeLay and John McCain when she was in the Senate and promised she’d do the same as president.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2016/03/25/daily-202-chelsea-clinton-goes-into-hostile-territory-college-towns-to-help-her-mom/56f40d59981b92a22dae36e2/
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Chelsea Clinton: Democrats will not regain the House in 2016 (Original Post) former9thward Mar 2016 OP
Republicans love Hillary. Wilms Mar 2016 #1
Thanks for the laugh Generic Brad Mar 2016 #61
She is deeply loathed by Republicans oberliner Mar 2016 #96
With your Mom the House election in 2022.... daleanime Mar 2016 #2
I don't understand defeatism Jnclr89 Mar 2016 #3
It's MATH--and the way districts have been drawn. MADem Mar 2016 #8
People didn't vote in 2010 Gman Mar 2016 #10
She is likely correct on this AgerolanAmerican Mar 2016 #17
actually it is 2010 that killed us in that regard dsc Mar 2016 #44
Well said and so very true Silver_Witch Mar 2016 #80
That is so disgusting. When have we become the party of "we can't"? BillZBubb Mar 2016 #4
It's not defeatism Gman Mar 2016 #13
Exactly right if Clinton is the nominee WDIM Mar 2016 #21
What a steaming pile. n/t SFnomad Mar 2016 #25
What Is A Superdelegate To Do? Oh My???.....nt global1 Mar 2016 #46
And Sanders has declared the party ideologically bankrupt and that he would be a hypocrite mythology Mar 2016 #84
This is what happens TrueDemVA Mar 2016 #77
When did we come to this? Silver_Witch Mar 2016 #81
I know in my congressional district it happened in 2010. xmas74 Mar 2016 #92
Unfortunately, what she said is true. xmas74 Mar 2016 #90
NO, it's a self fulfilling prophecy. BillZBubb Mar 2016 #91
I can tell you right now, at least where I live, we cannot win. xmas74 Mar 2016 #93
There are plenty of house races held by republicans in districts the Democrats COULD WIN. BillZBubb Mar 2016 #94
But right now the biggest bang for our buck is the Senate races. xmas74 Mar 2016 #95
Exactly what I've been saying. Gman Mar 2016 #5
Bullshit. That is pure defeatism and excuse making. BillZBubb Mar 2016 #18
Regardless I can't change this fact Gman Mar 2016 #23
"No we can't" seems to be the real Clinton campaign slogan. nt Califonz Mar 2016 #30
That's because, unlike Sanders, Clinton is running an honest campaign. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2016 #49
That's rich TrueDemVA Mar 2016 #78
What we can do is fight the gerrymandering in the courts where possible csziggy Mar 2016 #64
The SCOTUS has ruled it's not illegal Gman Mar 2016 #66
Florida had passed a constitutional amendment that made a lawsuit possible csziggy Mar 2016 #67
That is ideal. Good on the voters in FL Gman Mar 2016 #68
The amendments were citizen originated csziggy Mar 2016 #69
Unfortunate Texas does not have initiative and referendum Gman Mar 2016 #70
True - the flip side of citizen activism csziggy Mar 2016 #72
It just seems to me if the 14th amendment protections Gman Mar 2016 #73
I guess in many places the best bet is to turn out the voters csziggy Mar 2016 #75
By adhering to city boundaries as much as possible 1939 Mar 2016 #74
Yes - Tallahassee has one of those "tails" csziggy Mar 2016 #76
Absolutely agree. Nevernose Mar 2016 #65
She's right. Gerrymandering makes it practically impossible. PSPS Mar 2016 #6
She's wrong about that. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #7
That's exactly what Chelsea said. How does that make her wrong? n/t SFnomad Mar 2016 #11
I am not interested in the Clintonian view of reality. I especially don't wish it imposed on me. highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #9
It's the way the country is right now Gman Mar 2016 #14
Unfortunately, this is in all probability. The gerrymandering that was done in purple states blm Mar 2016 #12
And the common denominator is Gman Mar 2016 #15
More "No we can't" from the Clintons WDIM Mar 2016 #16
Bury your head in the sand then SFnomad Mar 2016 #20
I completely understand and its about energizing the voters WDIM Mar 2016 #28
It's clear you don't understand. n/t SFnomad Mar 2016 #29
Sorry but your expectations are way too high Gman Mar 2016 #27
I have no illusions WDIM Mar 2016 #32
Or Gman Mar 2016 #39
^This^ Loki Mar 2016 #33
Flip voters WDIM Mar 2016 #37
You actually think you would be able to overcome a deficit of over 100,000 registered voters in a Loki Mar 2016 #48
Here in NC us GOTV activists have to get out almost 2 Dem voters for every 1 of theirs blm Mar 2016 #60
She is right. Gerrymandering and poor candidate recruitment will prevent us from taking the house. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #19
no we can't must be the new official hillary campaign slogan. Viva_La_Revolution Mar 2016 #22
And apparently of half the Democratic party. BillZBubb Mar 2016 #24
Then tell us how you expect this to change? Loki Mar 2016 #36
Magic apparently mythology Mar 2016 #86
that's just like her opinion man n/t Enrique Mar 2016 #26
you're not wrong walter WDIM Mar 2016 #35
Ugh....SSDD.... haikugal Mar 2016 #31
more no we can't Cobalt Violet Mar 2016 #34
NO WE CAN'T!! grasswire Mar 2016 #38
Daughter of No We Can't! Dr. Strange Mar 2016 #82
What'd she say about her mom's chances of winning? NightWatcher Mar 2016 #40
Worse than that. It was the dog whistle of hopelessness. peace13 Mar 2016 #42
Hillary's team is about as exciting as a piece of room temperature Wonder Bread NightWatcher Mar 2016 #45
And the Wonder Bread team knows that a low turnout is in their favor! peace13 Mar 2016 #47
Sorry, Hill didn't give a hoot about election irregularities in AZ. peace13 Mar 2016 #41
and much of the blame and problem DonCoquixote Mar 2016 #43
How uninspiring. Zen Democrat Mar 2016 #50
She's right RandySF Mar 2016 #51
How uninspiringly incremental. dchill Mar 2016 #52
The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don’t have any. –Alice Walker B Calm Mar 2016 #53
not necessarily true, a Democratic wave election could do it 0rganism Mar 2016 #54
What the hell is wrong with you? rufus dog Mar 2016 #88
Thuck fat! ananda Mar 2016 #55
As long as "working with Republicans" dflprincess Mar 2016 #56
I want Hillary to attack the republicans not try to work with them. hollowdweller Mar 2016 #57
well, not everyone agrees--- Trump is hurting the brand in the congressional races Fast Walker 52 Mar 2016 #58
Probably right, I don't see it happening until the lines are redrawn following the next census Spider Jerusalem Mar 2016 #59
In other news the sun will shine tomorrow Reter Mar 2016 #62
Imagine entering an Olympic competition, stating "I am going to lose" closeupready Mar 2016 #63
Thread now belongs in GDP, since it's quickly morphed into... VOX Mar 2016 #71
She should stick to topics like this, rather than health care or defending incarcerating drug users Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #79
Well this should motivate the Youth vote for her mother rufus dog Mar 2016 #83
She is correct. But truth telling isn't the rage around here. n/t pnwmom Mar 2016 #85
Unfortunately, she's right jmowreader Mar 2016 #87
Chelsea Clinton isn't a prophet. She sounds defeatist. This is why we don't need more Clintons- craigmatic Mar 2016 #89
Paving the way to excuse her Mom going rightward. lol Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #97
Has everyone seen the commercial about "The Settlers?" Greybnk48 Mar 2016 #98
 

Jnclr89

(128 posts)
3. I don't understand defeatism
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 08:06 PM
Mar 2016

And I never will. Always look forward, always attack. Don't give into your fears.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
8. It's MATH--and the way districts have been drawn.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 08:10 PM
Mar 2016

It's a problem. It's not "fears." It's the way the lines have been drawn.

 

AgerolanAmerican

(1,000 posts)
17. She is likely correct on this
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 08:19 PM
Mar 2016

2014 was really really bad for us. A complete comeback in one election from those losses would be unprecedented and is not a realistic expectation.

dsc

(52,147 posts)
44. actually it is 2010 that killed us in that regard
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:03 PM
Mar 2016

2014 was the cherry on top of the shit sundae that is our current position in Congress but 2010 built that. In 2012 we won the majority of the Congressional vote nationally and in several states where we faced lopsided delegations in favor of the GOP. NC is 10/3 GOP, PA is 13 to 5, OH is 12 to 4, MI is 9 to 5. In all of those states we won a majority of the vote in 2012 and were fairly close or won it again in 2014. 2010 is what built that.

 

Silver_Witch

(1,820 posts)
80. Well said and so very true
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 06:06 PM
Mar 2016

Never say never and never ever accept the defeatism. I guess Chelsea is working to lower expectations about what her mother will do.

For me I expect us to kiss some ass and take some names and make changes - changes now. BIG changes and if we don't well then bummer - at least we tried.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
4. That is so disgusting. When have we become the party of "we can't"?
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 08:06 PM
Mar 2016

The Hillary fantatics are all on board for this defeatism--except in the case of their adored one. She must win!

But Chelsea is correct, with her mother at the head of the ticket, we aren't winning the House.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
13. It's not defeatism
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 08:15 PM
Mar 2016

It's the way it is. Now if you know a way to get the GOP House to go along with a Democrat president, you can become the highest paid lobbyist and consultant in the country.

WDIM

(1,662 posts)
21. Exactly right if Clinton is the nominee
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 08:23 PM
Mar 2016

Democrats aren't going to show up. Clinton has already declared defeat for all down ticket candidates.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
84. And Sanders has declared the party ideologically bankrupt and that he would be a hypocrite
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 08:37 PM
Mar 2016

to run as a Democrat.

Kind of hard to sell people on the idea of "vote for candidate Smith, he or she is ideologically bankrupt."

TrueDemVA

(250 posts)
77. This is what happens
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 12:30 PM
Mar 2016

The 90's saw the further destruction of the Democratic Party no thanks to the Clinton machine. Compromised our way into letting the conservatives take over. Money and power was the bargaining chip and the Clinton's got all the money and influence they ever wanted. In the end, the people are the only ones paying the price. Chelsea is correct, but let's give thanks to her parents for the situation we are in today.

 

Silver_Witch

(1,820 posts)
81. When did we come to this?
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 06:13 PM
Mar 2016

That is a very good question. When did we stop being people who believe. When did we start running candidates that couldn't win who couldn't. When did we face terror by hiding and not saying out loud - do you best assholes we will still win.

I am getting madder and madder and beginning to believe that I am not a really a member of this Democratic Party - I want my party back.

xmas74

(29,669 posts)
92. I know in my congressional district it happened in 2010.
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 12:05 AM
Mar 2016

That's when Vicky Hartzler sucked up to all the farmers and lied about Ike Skelton's record. Her reward for lying and playing up was to win the seat and then to keep the seat in 2012 and 2014. Right now there's just not enough to fight her over, even though she's an awful excuse for an human being.

I think it's refreshing to admit that there are some races that cannot be won, at least at this time. No one can beat Hartzler in my district so why no take some of that money and time and donate that to someone who might make a difference. In my state Jason Kander is closing the distance on Roy Blunt's seat in the Senate and has a real chance of overtaking him. His race is now considered a "race to watch". Why not donate more time and money to his race and less to Hartzler's opponent? Kander winning will not only gain us a seat in the Senate but will get a staunch RW GOPer out of office, possibly turning the Senate over to the Dems.

I live in a very red area of my state. I've learned to be practical about what can and cannot be accomplished.

xmas74

(29,669 posts)
90. Unfortunately, what she said is true.
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 11:57 PM
Mar 2016

We have a much better chance of taking the Senate. The House is a few elections down the road. There has been too much gerrymandering to take it back in one election cycle.

It doesn't matter who is at the top of the ticket-Sanders or Clinton. Either one cannot win both the House and the Senate for Dems. We need to focus on the races we can win and look towards the tight races, deciding where to assist in a win. We have no chance whatsoever of winning some districts so there's no reason to focus on them, no matter how much I wish this wasn't the case.

(FYI-I live in a congressional district that has no chance of a Dem win. I'd love nothing better than to see Vicky Hartzler get run out of town on a rail but I know it's not going to happen for quite some time. I'd rather they take that money and spend it, at least in my state, on Jason Kander, who is closing the gap on Roy Blunt's Senate seat. Sometimes you've just got to face facts and do what you can to make the most difference.)

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
91. NO, it's a self fulfilling prophecy.
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 12:02 AM
Mar 2016

The Democrats won't win back the House by running on their usual republican lite, we're not as bad as them platform. They need a platform that energizes voters and gives them a reason to vote for us.

If we do that, gerrymandering or not, we can win.

xmas74

(29,669 posts)
93. I can tell you right now, at least where I live, we cannot win.
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 12:12 AM
Mar 2016

Ike Skelton held this seat for over 30 years. He was a conservative Democrat and well loved in this area. Hartzler lied and possibly cheated her way into this seat and she's holding strong. You could dig up George Washington, Abraham Lincoln and even Ronald Reagan and run them here-as long as they have a (D) next to their name on the ballot they'd never win. There are too many that vote the party line around here.

I'd rather focus on races where we stand a chance. We have a good chance of flipping the Senate and I'm proud to say that I've offered to do whatever is needed to help my candidate. To me it makes sense to focus on one goal, in this case the Senate, accomplish that goal and then focus on a new goal, chipping away at the House.

I live in a really red area. I've learned to be happy with smaller goals building up to something big. Nothing happens overnight and I'd never expect it to. 2020, 2022 seem like feasible goals especially if we can take the Senate in 2016 along with the presidency.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
94. There are plenty of house races held by republicans in districts the Democrats COULD WIN.
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 12:15 AM
Mar 2016

Enough in fact to change the balance. Of course there are many that we could almost never win. But enough are in play, or could be to give us control.

xmas74

(29,669 posts)
95. But right now the biggest bang for our buck is the Senate races.
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 12:26 AM
Mar 2016

We have a real chance of flipping the tables. Shouldn't that be our biggest focus?

We focus on the presidential election, the senate races and a few key state races first, then build on that with 2018 and 2020, leading us into a much stronger position in 2022.

I don't know. I just try to think of what's best in the short term and how to play it out in the long term. It seems like our plates are almost full with some key races right now and that, given time, we'll be ready to dig in and really fight for the house in a few cycles from now. It gives time to really get donations, to find fantastic candidates all around and to really get the electorate excited.

I just want to be ready for each stage of reclaiming those seats. I don't want to run in, not ready and lose it all.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
5. Exactly what I've been saying.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 08:08 PM
Mar 2016

In 2010, an off year election, people stayed home out of apathy as well as ignorance of it being a redistricting year while the GOP stired their base into a rabid frenzy over the ACS. It was a redistricfing year, we got beat bad, they took over statehouses and legislatures and had a SCOTUS in their back pocket. We're stuck with this until at least 2022 with 2020, a presidential year, being the next redistricfing election year.

And THAT my friends, is why it doesn't matter if it's Sanders or Clinton, nothing will change until 2022 at the very earliest.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
18. Bullshit. That is pure defeatism and excuse making.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 08:19 PM
Mar 2016

If we offer a program that people really want, they will vote for us and the gerrymandering won't stop us.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
23. Regardless I can't change this fact
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 08:24 PM
Mar 2016

and for you too, if you know of a plan that can get Democrsts elected in those safe GOP seats, and if you know of a way to make the GOP house work with a Democrat president, you can be the highest paid and most sought after consultant around.

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
49. That's because, unlike Sanders, Clinton is running an honest campaign.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:55 PM
Mar 2016

There are a lot of things that the Democrats will not be able to accomplish if they take the presidency.

Clinton is being honest about that.

Sanders is telling people what they want to hear, even though it isn't true.

csziggy

(34,131 posts)
64. What we can do is fight the gerrymandering in the courts where possible
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 02:41 PM
Mar 2016

Florida fought it and the courts forced the legislature to redraw the lines of the districts. They were not finalized until this year.

I haven't studied the new lines to see how well it came out but we will find out more with the elections. Hopefully our elections will better reflect the will of the people.

Other states may have ground for lawsuits if the gerrymandering is as egregious as it was here in Florida. Until after the census in 2020 that is our only chance to change the situation.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
66. The SCOTUS has ruled it's not illegal
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 10:56 PM
Mar 2016

To gerrymander along party lines. Goes back to what Tom Delay did in Texas. They redrew Texas and only 3 districts were thrown out. Texas went from a Democrat majority in Texas to minority.

csziggy

(34,131 posts)
67. Florida had passed a constitutional amendment that made a lawsuit possible
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 12:15 AM
Mar 2016
Congressional redistricting, 2010

Following the 2010 United States Census, Florida gained two congressional seats. In November 2010, voters approved two separate constitutional amendments establishing that congressional and state legislative districts must meet the following criteria (Amendment 6 applied to congressional districts; Amendment 5 applied to legislative districts):[2][3]
“ [Districts] may not be drawn to favor or disfavor an incumbent or political party. Districts shall not be drawn to deny racial or language minorities the equal opportunity to participate in the political process and elect representatives of their choice. Districts must be contiguous. Unless otherwise required, districts must be compact, as equal in population as feasible, and where feasible must make use of existing city, county and geographical boundaries.[4]

https://ballotpedia.org/Redistricting_in_Florida


The legislature drew up a redistricting map that they approved in 2012 and which was challenged almost immediately. The case dragged through the courts and the new plan was finally approved earlier this year. The link above has a decent discussion of how things went. We get to find out this year how much better than the other version the new one is.

If more states could get similar amendments passed then citizens would have a better chance of getting gerrymandered districts amended.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
68. That is ideal. Good on the voters in FL
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 12:19 AM
Mar 2016

But something like that would never see the light of day out of its Texas legislature committee.

csziggy

(34,131 posts)
69. The amendments were citizen originated
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 12:41 AM
Mar 2016

I don't know if that is possible in Texas but for the states where it is possible, it would be a very good idea!

Gman

(24,780 posts)
70. Unfortunate Texas does not have initiative and referendum
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 01:59 AM
Mar 2016

Probably a good thing with all the fundy nut cases here.

csziggy

(34,131 posts)
72. True - the flip side of citizen activism
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 11:13 AM
Mar 2016

In its worst form you get the Bundys.

In one of her bits a while back Rachel Maddow discussed how in many states it takes many more votes to elect Democrats to state offices that it does to vote in Republicans. I wonder if a gifted lawyer could make a case that gerrymandering that results in that should be considered theft of votes or something that is unconstitutional. (It's before coffee for me so I am not very articulate this morning.)

Gman

(24,780 posts)
73. It just seems to me if the 14th amendment protections
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 12:04 PM
Mar 2016

Were good enough for Bush to prevail in Bush v Gore, it should apply to GOP redistricting. But that's expecting too much.

csziggy

(34,131 posts)
75. I guess in many places the best bet is to turn out the voters
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 12:12 PM
Mar 2016

Overwhelm the system with Democratic voters and get our people in place. THEN the problem is to get the DNC to make voting fairness a priority. Howard Dean was working on that but DWS doesn't seem to care about voter suppression.

I can't volunteer for any campaign until the end of May - other things will be taking my time - but after that I think I will get involved. That works anyway since I do NOT want to get mixed up in the primary fights. Before when I volunteered it was after the nomination had been settled.

As a volunteer I want to concentrate on turning out voters. Long term, after next November, I want to work on registering voters and convincing them to actually turn out for every election. If we could do that we could beat the Republicans every time.

1939

(1,683 posts)
74. By adhering to city boundaries as much as possible
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 12:08 PM
Mar 2016

you will tend to pack Democratic voters (who lean to be more urban) into districts. The kind of gerrymandering required by the Democratic Party is having a lot of rural districts with "tails" dipping into the city for enough voters to make the district lean D.

csziggy

(34,131 posts)
76. Yes - Tallahassee has one of those "tails"
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 12:30 PM
Mar 2016

So heavily Democratic Tallahassee shares representatives with the very read area extending all the way across North Florida to Jacksonville AND with the deeply read Panhandle extending to Panama City. This effectively splits and weakens the strong Democratic presence in Leon County so we will have less chance of electing Democratic representatives. (http://www.orlandoweekly.com/Blogs/archives/2015/12/03/florida-supreme-court-picks-congressional-district-map)

And that is AFTER the lines were drawn to meet the judge's criteria in settling the case with the League of Women Voters vs the state legislature!

This article - https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2014/07/16/florida-says-it-will-change-its-congressional-districts-a-judge-said-violate-state-law-but-after-the-election/ - has the map as it was in 2012. While Leon County gets dumped in with red areas, it was not split up.

With the new map I am not even sure which district I am in - my house is very close to one of the lines and I have not seen a detailed enough version to locate where I am!

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
65. Absolutely agree.
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 02:44 PM
Mar 2016

I'm still going to work my ass off, but I can't really do anything about gerrymandering.

PSPS

(13,572 posts)
6. She's right. Gerrymandering makes it practically impossible.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 08:09 PM
Mar 2016

There are some redistricting suits and activities going on that will help, but they won't be done this year.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
7. She's wrong about that.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 08:10 PM
Mar 2016

Gerrymandering after the 2010 census has given the Republicans a lock on the House until after the 2020 census at the earliest.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
14. It's the way the country is right now
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 08:17 PM
Mar 2016

No matter who says it, Democrats will not retake the House. Senate, yes. House, no.

blm

(112,996 posts)
12. Unfortunately, this is in all probability. The gerrymandering that was done in purple states
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 08:14 PM
Mar 2016

and, especially purple states that lean blue, has assured that the turnover needed is highly unlikely.

In NC, based on the 2012 vote, Dems should have gained the majority of seats as they had 52% of the overall vote going to Dems. Instead, the GOP has 11 seats to Dems 3.

This happened in EVERY swing state, like Pennsylvania and Ohio.

I wish Chelsea hadn't said it out loud, but, I can't fault her on the veracity of her statement. I can't. I live with the results of GOPs extreme gerrymandering every day. I live in NC.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
15. And the common denominator is
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 08:18 PM
Mar 2016

The GOP took over those statehouses in 2010. But they'll still be purple.

WDIM

(1,662 posts)
16. More "No we can't" from the Clintons
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 08:18 PM
Mar 2016

Why even hold elections they are already declaring defeat. Every seat in the house should be up for grabs. The defeatest attitude is going to end in defeat.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
20. Bury your head in the sand then
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 08:21 PM
Mar 2016

The losses we took in the statehouses in 2010 is what will be responsible for us not being able to take back the House of Representatives until 2022 at the earliest.

Do you understand the process? Or is it just easier to have more outrage at the Clinton family?

WDIM

(1,662 posts)
28. I completely understand and its about energizing the voters
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 08:28 PM
Mar 2016

Not declaring defeat before the race is run. Clinton knows she can't energize the voters so they already are down playing and lowering expectations.

Well things usually live up to their expectations and what good is it if you already expect to fail.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
27. Sorry but your expectations are way too high
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 08:28 PM
Mar 2016

And you're only going to be disappointed and disillusioned. What we have today did not happen over night. Nor will it change over night.

I don't mean to kill your enthusiasm. Keep it and enjoy it. But in politics, you do the best you can then work from there. You won't change the world overnight. Many have tried for 50+ years.

WDIM

(1,662 posts)
32. I have no illusions
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 08:33 PM
Mar 2016

But if you go into a conflict declaring defeat you will never win. If the Democrats adopt Sanders platform they will destroy republicans across the country. People are fed up with more of the same.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
39. Or
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 08:53 PM
Mar 2016

How about we have been in a conflict for years and we're looking to plan the best time to attack and win? Because right now all we can do is hold our ground. But we build a firewall in November by electing a Democratic Senate and president, Hillary or Sanders, to appoint SCOTUS justices that favor us. And you've got to remember the Clarence Thomas is getting up in years and he is at risk for a lot of ailments that could make him retire for health reasons in the next few years, or worse.

Loki

(3,825 posts)
33. ^This^
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 08:35 PM
Mar 2016

Thank you for trying to explain why this is the political reality right now. It's not defeatism, but until the next census, and electing people who will work to change the redistricting process to independent panels and out of the hands of the political parties in control of state houses, this will be what we are left to work with. It's not rocket science, it can be changed, and it's called reality, hard work and elections. I remember reading an article about the number of votes cast in an election favored the Democrats by a very wide margin, but the Republican's picked up almost all the seats because of gerrymandering.

Loki

(3,825 posts)
48. You actually think you would be able to overcome a deficit of over 100,000 registered voters in a
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:50 PM
Mar 2016

district that would be heavily tilted towards registered Republicans? These people don't flip.

blm

(112,996 posts)
60. Here in NC us GOTV activists have to get out almost 2 Dem voters for every 1 of theirs
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 11:25 AM
Mar 2016

just to BREAK EVEN in the State House and Senate.

Those who don't understand this are the ones spreading doom. You don't focus on the SOLUTIONS - and the solution is with the Supreme Court and re-instating Voting Rights Act and extending that to include nonpartisan drawing of districts.

Loki

(3,825 posts)
36. Then tell us how you expect this to change?
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 08:38 PM
Mar 2016

I'm curious not snarky. I want to know how you think this will be accomplished with the current districts being drawn to politically favor one party over the other. I've lived with this for years in Republican held states. Look at the districts in Texas for example and you can see just what a wonderful job Tom Delay did for that state. So tell me. I'm listening.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
86. Magic apparently
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 08:41 PM
Mar 2016

Just like Sanders didn't have a valid answer when questioned by Chris Matthews about how he would get his agenda passed, they don't have an answer to this question.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
40. What'd she say about her mom's chances of winning?
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 08:53 PM
Mar 2016

Or was she just saying that her mom will be republican-lite and get a lot of republican-ish bills passed?

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
42. Worse than that. It was the dog whistle of hopelessness.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 08:59 PM
Mar 2016

Stay home, it really doesn't matter. The middle class will disappear completely by '22. Every time this young woman opens her mouth a distraction appears. Mission accomplished.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
45. Hillary's team is about as exciting as a piece of room temperature Wonder Bread
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:03 PM
Mar 2016

Obama had Hope and Change, while Hillary is running with "meh" and "we might win".

I predict the lowest Dem turnout since Dukakis.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
47. And the Wonder Bread team knows that a low turnout is in their favor!
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:07 PM
Mar 2016

It's criminal to encourage hopelessnes. Have an awesome evening! : )

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
41. Sorry, Hill didn't give a hoot about election irregularities in AZ.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 08:54 PM
Mar 2016

Absolutely nothing will change if she is elected. Election fraud, redistributing the districts and this from Chelsea. She is basically telling people, stay at home, it doesn't matter if you vote. Of course this strategy will help her mother. Really, the fact that people are defending her here is really disturbing!

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
43. and much of the blame and problem
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:02 PM
Mar 2016

Is that we have a party chairwoman who does her best to kneecap any liberals, and when Obama tried to fire her, made sure sh threatened to paint him as anti jew and anti woman, so that he knew he would face donor wrath. She is the one responsible for the fact that Marco Rubio was in the Senate, and that Rick Scott was governor due to her recruiting Charlie Crist

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/23/debbie-wasserman-schultz-circa-2013-was-set-to-pai/

RandySF

(58,376 posts)
51. She's right
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 10:03 PM
Mar 2016

A majority of Americans across many states voted Dem for the House in 2012 and the Republicans kept their majority. After so many fair-weather Dems sat home in 2010, Republican state legislators and governors rigged the Congressional districts until at least 2021. I can see from the above comments that it's terrible because Chelsea said it, but she told the truth.

dchill

(38,420 posts)
52. How uninspiringly incremental.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 10:05 PM
Mar 2016

A better idea: nominate Bernie and the enthused turnout gets down ticket Dems elected!

Way better for America.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
53. The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don’t have any. –Alice Walker
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 10:05 PM
Mar 2016

0rganism

(23,912 posts)
54. not necessarily true, a Democratic wave election could do it
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 10:05 PM
Mar 2016

remember, in the process of redistricting to get a house GOP majority, the GOP had to split up its "safe" seats, so now instead of one district where they'd win by 20 points they have 4 districts where they win by 5. it's a lot easier to tip a seat where your deficit is 5 points than it is to tip that 20 point seat.

if the Republicans nominate Trump, taking back the House becomes a real possibility.

imo, the punditry has had, up to now, a tendency to underestimate (publicly at least) just how much of a disaster Trump is for the Republican party. he is absolutely destroying it from the inside.

that said, if something happens to turn what should be a motherfucking huge Democratic landslide into another horse race situation, yeah the GOP keeps the House and avoids total demolition for a few more years.

 

rufus dog

(8,419 posts)
88. What the hell is wrong with you?
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 09:00 PM
Mar 2016

Now you are talking like a fighter, a Change Agent!

I was never one of those who thought or stated Clinton couldn't win. I always thought she would eek out a victory. In the last three months, with the Trump/Cruz show, I now see she might exceed Obama's 2008 haul. If a third party candidate doesn't jump in, it is quite possible.

Yet for some reason Chelsea feels it necessary to temper expectations. Not in October in the middle of a tight fight, but in March/April as the Republican Party remains in meltdown mode. The question is why? And to be honest I don't like the expected answer.

For every Clinton supporter backing the Chelsea comment, I suggest you read 0rganisms post again, and again, and again, until you get it. Her comment is indefensible unless,...... it is meant to temper expectations. To put it bluntly, that is exactly what it was meant to do.

dflprincess

(28,068 posts)
56. As long as "working with Republicans"
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 10:21 PM
Mar 2016

doesn't mean selling us out - and I"m afraid that's just what she'll do.

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
57. I want Hillary to attack the republicans not try to work with them.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 10:27 PM
Mar 2016

If she thinks that working with the republicans is possible she's more deluded than Obama.

I mean they might go along with her on some of her wars, but anything economic, no.

Plus they will double down on trying to remove her from office.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
59. Probably right, I don't see it happening until the lines are redrawn following the next census
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 10:45 AM
Mar 2016

and even then only if redistricting is done in a less partisan manner and if Republicans control fewer state legislatures.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
63. Imagine entering an Olympic competition, stating "I am going to lose"
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 02:31 PM
Mar 2016

9 months prior to the game.

LOL These Cintons are ridiculous. Their supporters delusional, in big part.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
79. She should stick to topics like this, rather than health care or defending incarcerating drug users
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 06:00 PM
Mar 2016

She's correct, of course, although I would hope we could see some traction before '22

 

rufus dog

(8,419 posts)
83. Well this should motivate the Youth vote for her mother
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 08:32 PM
Mar 2016

Although she is correct that it would be extremely difficult it doesn't mean you don't try.

It is the game of lowering expectations, thus insulating her mother from having to fight.

And it is complete and total bullshit.

Look, I am in my mid fifties, youngest kid heads off to college this year. Sanders efforts will have limited positive short term impact on me or my kids, I would likely end up paying more in taxes. So the best thing for me in the short term is not to pay more taxes. Continue to work, protect my investments and move on. Using that logic, I should pick Clinton over Sanders, but then I should also pick Cruz over Clinton.

Screw all of you I got mine, you want something more, go work hard AND in six years you may get some help from the Clinton's. This is the Republican mindset and is almost daily on display from the Clinton's. It is the mindset that got us to where we are today, the mindset Republicans use to motivate their voters. And I find it extremely offensive, extremely short sighted, and extremely self serving.

jmowreader

(50,520 posts)
87. Unfortunately, she's right
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 08:46 PM
Mar 2016

The path back to a majority will require four elections to accomplish, and three of them are at the state level.

The first thing we've got to do is to start regaining statehouses and governor's mansions - and we have three elections to accomplish it. If we can create a Democratic majority in enough statehouses at the 2020 election, we can degerrymander those states. And we win the statehouses NOT by promising pot and free chicken like some ultraliberals think we should do, but by a concerted program of real growth and fiscal stability. Once we hit 2022, we should have gained the trust of enough voters - along with a set of district maps that don't disperse the likely Democratic voters to the point where they have no power - that we should be able to win back Congress.

 

craigmatic

(4,510 posts)
89. Chelsea Clinton isn't a prophet. She sounds defeatist. This is why we don't need more Clintons-
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 09:34 PM
Mar 2016

They give up too quickly. There hasn't been one vote cast for the house yet. It could be in play if they nominate trump. 10 years ago we took the house the same amount of time from the last census. Working with republicans isn't a selling point for me.

Greybnk48

(10,161 posts)
98. Has everyone seen the commercial about "The Settlers?"
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 11:24 AM
Mar 2016

They continually settle for the status quo because that' s good enough. The Clintons should do a commercial.

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