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gollygee

(22,336 posts)
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 10:30 PM Mar 2016

Insulting New Abortion Law Forces Women to Pay For Fetus Funerals

https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/insulting-new-abortion-law-forces-women-to-pay-for-fetus-funerals

On Thursday, Indiana Governor Mike Pence signed one of the most vicious anti-abortion bills in the country into law. It forbids women from getting abortions in cases of fetal disability, requires women to inter or cremate fetal remains, and a whole host of other fucked-up things.


On Thursday, Indiana Governor Mike Pence signed one of the most extreme anti-abortion bills in the country into law. In addition to some of the typical restrictions now favored in large swaths of the South and Midwest—medically unnecessary requirements that force clinics to shut down, for example—the bill, titled House Bill 1337, contains some uniquely disturbing provisions as well.

There are several parts of the unsettlingly comprehensive bill that different outlets have singled out: It requires women to pay for funeral services for their fetuses after getting an abortion or miscarrying. It forces women who want to get an abortion due to lethal fetal abnormalities to undergo counseling that encourages them to carry the doomed and potentially dangerous pregnancy to term. It forbids women from getting an abortion based on fetal disability. It prohibits sex-selective abortions—a fairly common justification for abortion restrictions, one for which there is "limited and inconclusive evidence," according to the Guttmacher Institute. In a statement, the National Network of Abortion Funds (NNAF) called the legislation "one of the most vicious omnibus anti-abortion bills the United States has ever seen."
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Insulting New Abortion Law Forces Women to Pay For Fetus Funerals (Original Post) gollygee Mar 2016 OP
Men in Indiana should be forced to pay for Semen Funerals Xipe Totec Mar 2016 #1
good idea. nt DesertFlower Mar 2016 #4
I suggest we send all who voted for this bill off for a fast vasectomy. Vinca Mar 2016 #25
Why does the woman have to pay for it? passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #55
LOL!!! Perfect. Fast Walker 52 Mar 2016 #68
citizens of Indiana should remove these elected ass wipes from office. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2016 #2
These asswipes are exactly what the good folks of COLGATE4 Mar 2016 #10
Well, elections have consequences. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2016 #29
Yep. They got the government they deserve. COLGATE4 Mar 2016 #32
Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #38
First off, I don't think you're going to be around long COLGATE4 Mar 2016 #45
I'm painfully aware Bob Loblaw Mar 2016 #51
+1000000. SammyWinstonJack Mar 2016 #60
I am sickened to read this. CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2016 #3
you and i are old enough to DesertFlower Mar 2016 #7
You got that right! CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2016 #8
Me, three. leftyladyfrommo Mar 2016 #21
Me, four. hamsterjill Mar 2016 #37
Old enough to remember my mother's miscarriages and how she grieved. How any woman grieves. Hekate Mar 2016 #50
But women can have abortions for every other reason. GreenEyedLefty Mar 2016 #5
Did the funeral industry lobby for this crap? Ilsa Mar 2016 #6
They know a lot of people cannot afford to do it awoke_in_2003 Mar 2016 #47
And, to add insult to injury Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2016 #9
They want to force women to inter or cremate the remains passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #11
A lot of unusually heavy periods are actually early miscarriages, so maybe women tblue37 Mar 2016 #17
This is disgusting, an insult to every woman.. mountain grammy Mar 2016 #12
I hope someone has the resources and the will to file a lawsuit to challenge this law. spooky3 Mar 2016 #13
There is a lot of commercial pressure put on states that pass bbgrunt Mar 2016 #14
America hates women. nt valerief Mar 2016 #15
asshole JI7 Mar 2016 #16
It is incredible the amount of damage the right wing can do rusty quoin Mar 2016 #18
McCrory in North Carolina mnhtnbb Mar 2016 #33
Indiana. Alabama without the weather. Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #19
And these monsters are afraid of "Sharia Law"? This cruelty to women is beyond sickening. Hekate Mar 2016 #20
The only reason they dislike sharia law awoke_in_2003 Mar 2016 #48
They are getting dangerously creative with the restrictions davidpdx Mar 2016 #22
These people are warped. phylny Mar 2016 #23
My experience exactly radical noodle Mar 2016 #57
Why don't they simply use eminent domain to seize every uterus in the land? Orrex Mar 2016 #24
So i guess I could start a cottage industry JackInGreen Mar 2016 #26
Just another day Behind the Hoosier Iron Curtain. B Calm Mar 2016 #27
The Fuck??? Odin2005 Mar 2016 #28
Blatantly unconstitutional... truebrit71 Mar 2016 #30
And that's key JohnnyRingo Mar 2016 #35
That's just fucking INSANE. John Poet Mar 2016 #31
Incredible! I had no idea Indiana was like this. Herman4747 Mar 2016 #34
Only because Bush was so bad radical noodle Mar 2016 #58
Grew up there LittleGirl Mar 2016 #63
This makes me absolutely furious! smirkymonkey Mar 2016 #36
wait wait wait.................... Takket Mar 2016 #39
The Right Wing Fetus Cult strikes again nt MrScorpio Mar 2016 #40
Sounds like something from The Onion. iandhr Mar 2016 #41
But we can't regulate a bank because of personal freedom Johonny Mar 2016 #42
That is sick. Just when you think these women haters couldn't be any more shameless (nt) LostOne4Ever Mar 2016 #43
Might be fun to bury a baggie or two of spaghetti s in a public spot and put a little cross over it dembotoz Mar 2016 #44
The pro lifers don't need to overturn Roe V. Wade, they've made it irrelevant. Initech Mar 2016 #46
Forced funerals for fetuses? The GOP keeps crumbling apart...hatred leading the way. Rex Mar 2016 #49
Don't Overgeneralize Hoosiers RecoveringJournalist Mar 2016 #52
But we also have to dislodge th Supermajority AwakeAtLast Mar 2016 #53
I don't live in Indiana, but I would... 3catwoman3 Mar 2016 #54
What a bunch of #%~€?! #~.?£+=^% <€?!+=" asswipes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #56
Send the government the bill for the funeral, see how long it lasts then ck4829 Mar 2016 #59
Unconstitutional bullshit blackspade Mar 2016 #61
So a fetus can be a dependent They_Live Mar 2016 #62
Here's the response: Darb Mar 2016 #64
Yet anti-Abortion groups say with a straight face that they have no interest in punishing women Algernon Moncrieff Mar 2016 #65
Remember now - this is not punishment malaise Mar 2016 #66
exactly dembotoz Mar 2016 #67

Xipe Totec

(43,887 posts)
1. Men in Indiana should be forced to pay for Semen Funerals
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 10:33 PM
Mar 2016

Every time they...

Well, you get the picture.

Every sperm is sacred.

So pay for 2 billion funerals every time you jack off.

Vinca

(50,233 posts)
25. I suggest we send all who voted for this bill off for a fast vasectomy.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 08:02 AM
Mar 2016

I was going to suggest lopping off their . . . you know . . . but some things are hard to find.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
55. Why does the woman have to pay for it?
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 10:04 PM
Mar 2016

Maybe if they impregnate someone that ends in an abortion,the men should have to pay for the funeral.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
2. citizens of Indiana should remove these elected ass wipes from office.
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 10:37 PM
Mar 2016

and replace them with elected officials who will keep the government out of women's bodies.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
10. These asswipes are exactly what the good folks of
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 11:47 PM
Mar 2016

Indiana WANT as their elected officials. They didn't get there by accident = they were voted in by people in one of the most reliably RW States in the Union.

Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #32)

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
45. First off, I don't think you're going to be around long
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 02:35 PM
Mar 2016

with your obvious penchant for totally uncalled-for ad hominem attacks. Secondly, I never said that elections were unanimous. But the majority of the voters in Indiana did vote for these assholes so the majority got exactly what they wanted - have you seen today's headlines about Indiana now requiring that women who abort must now provide funerals for the aborted fetus???

Bob Loblaw

(1,900 posts)
51. I'm painfully aware
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 07:48 PM
Mar 2016

of the politics, I live in Indiana. I've been at DU longer than you have, have never voted for a republican, and don't need your endorsement of my bona fides. My original read of your posts was that they were like the posts of so many others when it comes to the crap other people like me fight against but live with every day in this state. That somehow we (in this case even those that this law was meant to punish) get what we deserve because we're outnumbered by RWNJs. That, my friend is an attack appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect.

You may be right I may not be around long. But it won't be because I disagree with your sentiment on this issue... hell, I may feel even stronger about it than you do. I'm just tired of fighting the good fight every day out there and then coming to DU and having to fight some more.

Peace.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
37. Me, four.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:11 PM
Mar 2016

I'm old enough to also know that making abortion illegal will not stop abortion from happening.

It sickens and saddens me...

Hekate

(90,496 posts)
50. Old enough to remember my mother's miscarriages and how she grieved. How any woman grieves.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 07:39 PM
Mar 2016

They want to punish women for having miscarriages as well, in several states.

What appalling would-be slave-holders.

GreenEyedLefty

(2,073 posts)
5. But women can have abortions for every other reason.
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 10:47 PM
Mar 2016

Laws like this defy logic and because they do, they are clearly intended to target, shame and humiliate women.

Ilsa

(61,687 posts)
6. Did the funeral industry lobby for this crap?
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 10:49 PM
Mar 2016

Seems to me that Pence et al enjoy bankrupting women for nonsensical funerals or by raising disabled children.

These people are monsters.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
47. They know a lot of people cannot afford to do it
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 06:36 PM
Mar 2016

which, effectively, stops the chance of aborting.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,384 posts)
9. And, to add insult to injury
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 10:59 PM
Mar 2016

Us Hoosier taxpayers whom hate the law will have our tax dollars spent to defend this law in court for the next few years.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
11. They want to force women to inter or cremate the remains
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:01 AM
Mar 2016

From a miscarriage? Are you fucking kidding me?




To have to do this after an abortion is bad enough, but a miscarriage...something your body does automatically? what if it's an early miscarriage and you don't even know it's happened until you flush it? Do you go to jail?

tblue37

(65,206 posts)
17. A lot of unusually heavy periods are actually early miscarriages, so maybe women
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 01:31 AM
Mar 2016

are supposed to inter or cremate the product of all heavy periods, just in case they might actually be early miscarriages.

These men have no clue at all about women's bodies, but they sure do feel they have a right to control every aspect of them.

F'n idiots.

mountain grammy

(26,594 posts)
12. This is disgusting, an insult to every woman..
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:02 AM
Mar 2016

Is not the population of the state of Indiana at least 50% female. What the fuck, ladies?? What the ever loving fuck??

spooky3

(34,387 posts)
13. I hope someone has the resources and the will to file a lawsuit to challenge this law.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:24 AM
Mar 2016

Sexist, misogynist law.

bbgrunt

(5,281 posts)
14. There is a lot of commercial pressure put on states that pass
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:48 AM
Mar 2016

"religious freedom" laws, including last year in Indiana. Why is there no equivalent pressure placed on states with such ridiculous laws regarding restrictions on womens' rights?

 

rusty quoin

(6,133 posts)
18. It is incredible the amount of damage the right wing can do
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 01:32 AM
Mar 2016

when they take over a state. I know that Indiana was right before Pence...the gov there was was shit hat CEO from Lilly...I lived there then...and that wonderful asshat senator so called democrat Evan fucking Biegh...I don't care if I spelled his name wrong.

But walker in Wisconsin and whoever in No Carolina.

They create so much damage in a short time.

I wish that Democrats could do as much good in such short bits of time.

mnhtnbb

(31,366 posts)
33. McCrory in North Carolina
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 10:05 AM
Mar 2016

Yes, indeed. Incredible damage in less than four years.

Now we're fighting the latest battle compelling bathroom use by birth certificate gender designation
and prohibiting communities from addressing discrimination against LGBT people with local
ordinances--all under the guise of "protecting women and children" from peeping Tom's entering
a women's room in a dress because that's the logical consequence to these idiots from allowing
trans women to use a women's bathroom.

So they want to make trans women use the men's room and trans men use the women's room. No chance
for violence there. Nope.



These Republican politicians--and the people supporting them-- are a mean-spirited, hateful, ignorant, disrespectful bunch of bigots.

Hekate

(90,496 posts)
20. And these monsters are afraid of "Sharia Law"? This cruelty to women is beyond sickening.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 04:12 AM
Mar 2016

Women will die.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
48. The only reason they dislike sharia law
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 06:39 PM
Mar 2016

is because they don't want the competition. If they could get away with it, xtian fundies would be as bad as the islamic ones.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
22. They are getting dangerously creative with the restrictions
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 06:45 AM
Mar 2016

However, I think this one will end up getting overturned in the courts. The government can't dictate how a fetus is disposed. The bill would automatically force the parents (or mother if single) to pay for a funeral, something that would be a financial strain beyond the cost of the abortion itself. It also assumes that a woman who miscarried did so on purpose. I'm sure if there is literature out there on women's miscarriages that it would prove that is rare.

phylny

(8,366 posts)
23. These people are warped.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 07:16 AM
Mar 2016

Miscarriages happen so frequently - and I'm going to get graphic, so if you don't want to read graphic stuff, stop now.










My first miscarriage happened in stages, with the most traumatic time for me being with me sitting on a toilet as the "products of conception" as they were eventually called left my body.

This asshole governor would have women bury the tissue that is naturally expelled? He's just plain evil.

radical noodle

(7,996 posts)
57. My experience exactly
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 11:59 PM
Mar 2016

I was 5-1/2 months pregnant. That was before Roe v Wade, when no one gave a crap about fetuses and miscarriages. My husband was told by the doctor to just toss the remains in a roadside ditch or something.

Orrex

(63,154 posts)
24. Why don't they simply use eminent domain to seize every uterus in the land?
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 07:46 AM
Mar 2016

After all, isn't that the ultimate goal?

JackInGreen

(2,975 posts)
26. So i guess I could start a cottage industry
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 08:06 AM
Mar 2016

with a Kiln and business card? Thanks Gov Pence, we'll make it nice and easy for these ladies to cremate or inter their dearly departed cluster of vaguely shaped cells.

Now that I think about it...does Gov Pence have friends in the body trade?

JohnnyRingo

(18,613 posts)
35. And that's key
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 11:42 AM
Mar 2016

All it will take is one example to be sent to court.

A woman could report to police that she had a miscarriage and flushed it unceremoniously down the toilet. Because of the law, the police have to act. When the state tries to asses a fee, or better, arrest her for abuse of a corpse, the law will most certainly be struck down. There are groups that will gladly cover her legal fees.

 

Herman4747

(1,825 posts)
34. Incredible! I had no idea Indiana was like this.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 10:30 AM
Mar 2016

The state did go for Barack Obama in November 2008.

radical noodle

(7,996 posts)
58. Only because Bush was so bad
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 12:02 AM
Mar 2016

I think the last time before that the state went for a Democratic presidential candidate was in the 1964 Johnson / Goldwater race.

LittleGirl

(8,277 posts)
63. Grew up there
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 08:19 AM
Mar 2016

It's a shit hole in the sticks. Backward assholes everywhere that think book learning is liberalism. ugh. I only go back there because of my 83 yr Mother and 54 yr old brother and his daughter. The rest of the family are tea party assholes. They think I'm a traitor because I moved to Europe. Gun toting bible thumping idiots. I can't believe some of those siblings came from my liberal Mother's womb.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
36. This makes me absolutely furious!
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:05 PM
Mar 2016

How on earth are they even getting away with proposing such a measure? It's barbaric and hateful!

Takket

(21,523 posts)
39. wait wait wait....................
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:32 PM
Mar 2016

isn't this the same party the has been telling us that forcing someone to buy insurance or pay a fine (ACA) is the greatest affront to freedom since the Holocaust? And I'm seriously not even exaggerating.... I've heard Obamacare compared to the Nazis. So how they can be forcing someone to pay for something they don't want?

Johonny

(20,782 posts)
42. But we can't regulate a bank because of personal freedom
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 02:18 PM
Mar 2016

The totally F'd up world GOP live in. This is disgusting, hateful, delusional, and just fucking weird. I makes you think every single person that voted for it is one sick person. They need professional help and not an elected office.

dembotoz

(16,783 posts)
44. Might be fun to bury a baggie or two of spaghetti s in a public spot and put a little cross over it
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 02:29 PM
Mar 2016

Suspect you would not wanna get caught

Initech

(100,013 posts)
46. The pro lifers don't need to overturn Roe V. Wade, they've made it irrelevant.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 03:23 PM
Mar 2016

And that's how we get bullshit laws like this. Fuck pro lifers, seriously.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
49. Forced funerals for fetuses? The GOP keeps crumbling apart...hatred leading the way.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 06:53 PM
Mar 2016

I cannot wait for that party to go the way of the Dodo bird. Fucking ghouls from top to bottom.

52. Don't Overgeneralize Hoosiers
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 08:51 PM
Mar 2016

I've lived in this state my entire life. I didn't and would NEVER vote for Pence. MANY other Hoosiers think as I do. This is not legislation we want! Don't throw me and MANY more like me under the bus! It's just that the majority of VOTING Hoosiers in the last go around voted Republican.

I see that changing this time. Some of my friends who are VERY reliable Republicans are truly getting sick of the fool. The anti-Pence rhetoric is really starting to swell in the circles I've seen. Pence's opponent in the last election, Democrat John Gregg, saw his support steadily rise during the last election. He was catching up as people began to see what a disaster Pence would be for the state. He just ran out of time. He's running again this time. And I think Gregg will do it this time. And it's VERY likely some people will ride his coattails.

So let me be the first (as far as I know) to say:

DIS-PENCE!!! Vote Gregg!

AwakeAtLast

(14,120 posts)
53. But we also have to dislodge th Supermajority
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 09:03 PM
Mar 2016

Even if Gregg becomes Governor, it won't mean anything if the Statehouse can override every veto.

We MUST gain seats! Let's hope Mr. Pence's shenanigans help make that happen.

3catwoman3

(23,931 posts)
54. I don't live in Indiana, but I would...
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 09:22 PM
Mar 2016

...happily chip in to a fund for Pence's funeral, political or actual.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
61. Unconstitutional bullshit
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 10:08 AM
Mar 2016

Pence and his pack of lackeys are fucking aweful.
I'm waiting for more of the same in KY.

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