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We live in an age when all manner of scientific knowledgefrom climate change to vaccinationsfaces furious opposition.http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2015/03/science-doubters/achenbach-text
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We live in an age when all manner of scientific knowledgefrom the safety of fluoride and vaccines to the reality of climate changefaces organized and often furious opposition. Empowered by their own sources of information and their own interpretations of research, doubters have declared war on the consensus of experts. There are so many of these controversies these days, youd think a diabolical agency had put something in the water to make people argumentative. And theres so much talk about the trend these daysin books, articles, and academic conferencesthat science doubt itself has become a pop-culture meme. In the recent movie Interstellar, set in a futuristic, downtrodden America where NASA has been forced into hiding, school textbooks say the Apollo moon landings were faked.
In a sense all this is not surprising. Our lives are permeated by science and technology as never before. For many of us this new world is wondrous, comfortable, and rich in rewardsbut also more complicated and sometimes unnerving. We now face risks we cant easily analyze.
Were asked to accept, for example, that its safe to eat food containing genetically modified organisms (GMOs) because, the experts point out, theres no evidence that it isnt and no reason to believe that altering genes precisely in a lab is more dangerous than altering them wholesale through traditional breeding. But to some people the very idea of transferring genes between species conjures up mad scientists running amokand so, two centuries after Mary Shelley wrote Frankenstein, they talk about Frankenfood.
The world crackles with real and imaginary hazards, and distinguishing the former from the latter isnt easy. Should we be afraid that the Ebola virus, which is spread only by direct contact with bodily fluids, will mutate into an airborne superplague? The scientific consensus says thats extremely unlikely: No virus has ever been observed to completely change its mode of transmission in humans, and theres zero evidence that the latest strain of Ebola is any different. But type airborne Ebola into an Internet search engine, and youll enter a dystopia where this virus has almost supernatural powers, including the power to kill us all.
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A good read, which is absolutely fair.
Nailzberg
(4,610 posts)Explain that, science.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)NV Whino
(20,886 posts)Bigmack
(8,020 posts)my students told me that their science teacher(s) never taught them anything about evolution! I always started my ancient history class with the theory of evolution, and the evolution of hominids... I couldn't believe that the science teachers didn't teach about evolution, but my students swore that they didn't! I always prefaced the bit about evolution with an observation that I didn't care if they "believed" in evolution, but that they had to understand the theory of it! Ms Bigmack
malaise
(268,904 posts)Millions read nothing -maybe some know a chapter of the bible and their bills -some read the obits and the rest gravitate to the crazy websites because make up shit is way more exciting than 'hurting their heads', by thinking.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)It's awesome fun!
But your point is good.
TimeToEvolve
(303 posts)there was always ample good reading material at my home since i was a kid and from that is how i learned the wonders of science.
for these luddites/troglodytes, their epistemological limit both start and end at their local crazy church.
malaise
(268,904 posts)we can do it
(12,180 posts)Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)of critical thinking skills, in addition to misuses of words like "science" and "scientific".
The media really doesn't help here, perpetuating this silly idea that people's opinions have equal weight with or without evidence backing it up.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Archae
(46,314 posts)The news media is run by headlines and sound bites, and science doesn't work that way.
Also, outdated and nonsense terms are still used, like "missing link."
Lastly, Entertainment media mostly denigrates science, either someone in science is portrayed as a "mad scientist" who will destroy the world, or a nerd who never gets the girl/guy.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,403 posts)Although movies and tv shows don't necessarily pretend to be truthful/real, I think that more people gravitate to "life" as presented in media as it seems more exciting and fulfilling than most average people's existence.
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hatrack
(59,583 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Denialism is rough on you, is it?
TimeToEvolve
(303 posts)-albedo- -read up on it!! you might learn something
Angel Martin
(942 posts)the blue, orange and light orange lines are actual temperatures
the black line is the global warming model forecast temperatures.
the forecast is diverging from the actuals. And the actual is now outside the shaded grey area, so the difference is statistically significant = MODEL FAILURE !
the increase in CO2 is not causing the expected temperature increases. Therefore, "Climate Scientists" do not understand the relationship between CO2 and temperature and need to go back to the drawing board.
http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v6/n3/fig_tab/nclimate2938_F1.html
progressoid
(49,970 posts)Angel Martin
(942 posts)is that to the extent that there is any warming at all in recent years, it is not connected to rising CO2 in the way that was previously believed.
Temperatures have more or less flatlined, while CO2 concentrations have continued to increase.
This is not bad news, it's good news.
If it is just a delay in warming, then we will have more time to make the necessary changes.
If the warming is not going to happen, then we can stop fretting about "carbon footprints", and just get on with our lives.
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)The paper, published in the journal Geophysical Review Letters, focused on the effect of the aerosol particles that are pumped into the atmosphere. The scientists used balloons, laser radar, and ground-based measurements to calculate the impact.
The scientists discovered that about a dozen modest-sized eruptions worldwide over the past 15 years may have reduced the warming effect of greenhouse gas emissions by about 0.005 to 0.12 degrees Celsius. Over roughly that same time period, the rate of global warming has slowed, though surface temperatures have continued to rise.
Volcanic eruptions spew sulfur dioxide, which in the atmosphere forms tiny droplets of sulfuric acid also known as volcanic aerosols, which can block sunlight. While previous studies have noted that effect from small volcanoes, the new study found that the effect is bigger than previously thought...
/... http://news.discovery.com/earth/global-warming/are-volcanic-eruptions-slowing-global-warming-150112.htm
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)I thought February, last month, was the warmest month on record, followed by January, two months ago.
There has not been a flatlining of the warming, despite what the change deniers want to believe.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Actual data be damned.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)It has NOTHING to do with that. It's because the models did not properly consider other terms sufficiently. If you're gonna make a claim like that, at least read the whole paper.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,296 posts)Here, for instance, is the HADCRUT4 graph, up to Jan 2016:
Notice that it has now reached nearly 0.2 degrees C above the peaks it had reached between 1998 and 2011 - ie more or less back at the midpoint of the expected range. Similar results apply to the other data lines.
Chemisse
(30,807 posts)Notice how this black line starts at a dip in 1993, shoots up toward a peak in 1998, then continues up at that same angle to project the future temperature change. So it starts at the lowest point in that decade, goes to highest point, then predicts the temperature will continue to increase at that same pace.
As it happens, the dip in 1993 was due to a large volcanic event, which blocked a lot of sunlight. The peak in 1998 was thanks to an El Nino year of unusual warmth (we know what that is like right now, don't we?).
Still, the projection does exceed what's happened. How could that be? OMG, is climate warming a hoax.
Well, rather than resort to hyperbole and denial, let's look again at science. Climate is very complex. Scientists did note a flattening period. Possible explanations of factors that could work independently to counteract the CO2 increase effect on temperature are: 1. Oceans may be absorbing the extra heat (and there is evidence for that). 2. The banning of CFCs and consequence rethickening of the ozone layer may have blocked a bit more of the sun's energy from reaching the earth. 3. Eruptions of at least 17 volcanoes since 2000 have blocked varying degrees of sunlight.
That is the problem with deniers. They try to use science, but really don't understand the complexities involved.
bhikkhu
(10,715 posts)Currently, not believing in global warming requires not believing in thermometers, or imagining a vast global conspiracy to lie about the local temperatures.
edhopper
(33,561 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)They did- fluoride
TimeToEvolve
(303 posts)if intelligence could be translated into electrical power; CT'ers would not have enough to light a red surface-mount LED to half brightness.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)Dr. Strangelove reference
MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)Americans treat DENIAL of science and ignorance of science as not even neutral, but as a badge of honor.
EllieBC
(3,013 posts)I live in an allegedly enlightened heaven- Vancouver. The water is NOT fluoridated and plenty of educated folks won't vaccinate their kids.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)... Think they can do science better than actual scientists.
progressoid
(49,970 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)alp227
(32,015 posts)"The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."
0rganism
(23,937 posts)"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!" -- Upton Sinclair
Festivito
(13,452 posts)Climate changing: maybe we should cut oil use -- NOT! Oil in pipes means residuals, or as we call it, MONEY!
ACA Obama care: What? And lose billions in income scaring people literally to death into buying overpriced health care. Those CEOs of heath insurance companies make tons mega tons of ... MONEY.
Creationism: Oil must be replenishable since I am told the world is only 6000 years old. So, let's use oil and not bother with wind, tides and solar so that Oil companies can continue to make MONEY.
People don't really hate science, they just hate not loving MONEY.
edhopper
(33,561 posts)are not monetarily gaining from it.
Religion seems to be a much bigger factor.
And in this country, Republicans in general hate facts.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)Because facts are wild and unpredictable. You cannot tame facts, you cannot bribe them, you cannot coerce them. Facts cannot be controlled and that makes them scary.
edhopper
(33,561 posts)Festivito
(13,452 posts)And, the larger organization. They know where their bread is buttered too.
The parishioners follow the leader. They can find themselves shunned if they do not follow, thus, they hate facts.
edhopper
(33,561 posts)organizations is money. Though not for most people.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)And so we get half-assed conspiracy-theorists who think it's okay to cherry-pick what data you use when doing science.
Or people who hear "some chemicals are bad" and jump to the conclusion "all chemicals are bad".
People don't understand, people feel powerless, people are secretly afraid.
And so they come up with conspiracy-theories how somebody is using this barely-understood thing to hurt them.
It's basically witch-hunts.
get the red out
(13,461 posts)Nor do I doubt it's evidence in the topics mentioned in the OP. I have seen some studies show up in the media that turn out to be funded by an entity that benefits from a certain outcome and then I wonder if the scientific method was properly employed. This doesn't explain some people's disbelief in science, but it isn't helpful.
alarimer
(16,245 posts)This is a new online science mag that is designed to talk about some of the issues in science reporting. They also have a podcast and in that podcast they talked about some of these. One was press release from the University of Maryland supposedly about a study that showed a certain type of chocolate milk had a protective effect against concussion. Turns out, there was no such study and the university had a relationship with the company.
So, I do have a issue with science funding by corporations. Even if there is no influence there, it does call the legitimacy into question. It shouldn't be allowed for corporations to fund real science outside of the company itself. They should not be allowed to fund university labs or researchers or museums, period. But this is a problem of funding. The government should be funding more science than it is. And for certain topics, it is prohibited from providing funds (stem cell research, guns). So what is the answer in those cases? Money from donors and organizations that may have a vested interest in the outcome. It's really hard. Science is so important, yet we as a people do not provide the finding we need, so it come from questionable sources. And if the government does provide the funding, the Republicans (and others, sometimes) complain about the studies as being silly or frivolous or useless because they don't understand.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)For human reasonable means they agree with me.
People be
I've things they want to believe. Everything else is ignored.
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)They live in a panicky fear filled world full of bad GMOs and gluten and vaccines and other cry jngs that trouble their beautiful bourgeois natural minds.
whatthehey
(3,660 posts)In descending order in the US at least:
1) They are desperately clinging to religious superstition that they know is shown to be nonsense by science, so they reflexively reject the latter.
2) They are just flat out ignorant of basic science and its principles
3) They are desperately clinging to new-agey woo-woo superstition that they know is shown to be nonsense by science, so they reflexively reject the latter.
alarimer
(16,245 posts)People are too dumb to know how dumb they are.
I also see a lot of logical fallacies, especially confusing correlation with causation and confirmation bias.
But I also think we are not taught critical thinking skills and how to evaluate methodology. I only learned when I took stats.
Someone breathlessly reporting that some chemical is found in, say, 90% of people. But they don't evaluate the study on its merits; sample size for instance, statistical significance, or the actual numbers involved. We have a lot of chemicals in our bodies, but that doesn't mean they are all dangerous at the levels that occur. The dose makes the poison, as they say. Oxygen is poisonous at high enough concentrations.
Something like GMO labeling sounds good, on its face. After all, who doesn't want to know what's in our food? The problems becomes how do you define it, because there are a lot of different methods out there that all fall under the label, none of which have been shown to be harmful and some (golden rice, as I keep harping on) might actually be very beneficial.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)twenty years ago they would have been mumbling to themselves standing outside looking at chemtrails...
Now they can organize
Amishman
(5,555 posts)I've seen rebuttals that point out SCIgen and the randomly generated scientific papers that were accepted for publication. And attempts to discredit the scientific process by pointing out things like often conflicting food / health studies.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)It's no wonder people who don't know that they need to look further are confused, I guess.
Of course, fear mongers like Food Babe, Mercola, etc... don't help either.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)Not everyone really gets how the scientific method works; how evidence is used to support hypotheses.
A person may be reasonable, or even educated; doesn't mean they understand.
seanjoycek476
(54 posts)I mean, what other country even teaches creationism in their classroom?
former9thward
(31,973 posts)A direct attack on science without the slightest evidence.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)It is a black eye for progressives, indeed.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)I've seen quite a bit of it. Some of it is anecdotal accounts of accidentally eating GMO and a psychosomatic reaction. Quite a bit of it is evidence of some kind of "evil" perpetrated 60 years ago. Most of it is from nutbag conspiracy theorists websites parroting out junk science published in obscure predatory "scientific" journals that lack any sort of recognizable peer review and will publish anything so long as you pay their fee.
GoneOffShore
(17,339 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)"Faith" in evidence-less and utter nonsense (myths, supernatural beings, stories from primitive cultures) is treated as a noble trait -- something for all good Americans to strive for -- and anything with a whiff of intellectualism or science is suspect and somehow anti-American.
It's easier to just believe that the omnipotent ruler of the universe has a master plan for the particular species of hairless apes (especially the American hairless apes!) on one little planet in one little galaxy amongst 100 billion galaxies, and leave it at that
LiberalArkie
(15,709 posts)is not reality at all. My head still hurts.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)That had to hurt! I'm sorry.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)Too often the football coach is the biology teacher, although I know not always. Then, a lot of high schools require only one or two years of a lab science to graduate, so the kids aren't exposed to very much science at all. Third, a lot of school districts/school boards have terrorized teachers into not teaching real science They can't talk about evolution. They can't talk about the real age of the Earth or the Universe.
At home mom and dad probably have forgotten what little they themselves ever learned, and if the family buys into fundamentalist religion, then science is scorned.
The truly incredible thing is that despite all that, this country still turns out world-class scientists and research, and still tends to own the Nobel Prize.
EllieBC
(3,013 posts)The west coast of of the US and Canada isn't exactly the Bible Belt. not even close.
Yet vaccination compliance rates are higher in Bible Belt states. They are. Considerably lower in west coast states. They are lower in my province, BC. Our compliance rate lags behind eastern canadian provinces.
They don't debate fluoridating water in say...Alabama. But it's enough to give the crunchy well educated west coast dwellers fits. We spend money on fluoride tablets up here because the not even close to religious residents are terrified of fluorine in their water. So we don't have it.
Make no mistake. What should be well educated enlightened people are very prone to being anti-science.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)areas, teachers are often not comfortable going completely out there with evolution. They just don't want to deal with the crap that they might get from the parents of just one student.
Which comes back to the science not being well taught in the first place, coupled with sometimes lousy textbooks, and a fairly low science requirement of high school students. Even in pretty good public schools.
EllieBC
(3,013 posts)fall victim to the BS from the anti science crew of "Dr" Mercola, Vani Hari, the vaccine-autism douchebag, and the people that think organic food and coconut oil/thieves oil/insert aromatic oil here cure everything from a cold sore to Ebola. They have this weird neo-natural thing where anything produced on a mass level is inherently evil.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)aren't taught in schools, and they should be.
How to recognize various fallacies, for instance.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)The current scientific mantra for healthy living might be reversed tomorrow, for instance.
There is also suspicion of bias when the objectivity of the scientists might be influenced by the views of their employer.
And, there are areas where people want answers that science can't currently provide.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Indeed.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)Skepticism must be applied to all areas of knowledge, including current scientific claims, with such knowledge subject to revision or rejection.
Ever hear of eugenics? That was considered science, in its era.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Skeptics understand all of that, but it doesn't mean you can ignore the science.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)But science has a way of becoming pseudoscience when a previously strongly held theory is suddenly disproven. Instantly.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)And it just continues. This is rich.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)Clarify.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)kwassa
(23,340 posts)You are basically engaged in name-calling without responding to my points.
This casts doubt on your OP.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)I'm just pointing out the tactic you are utilizing.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)and you can't rebut my argument.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Last edited Fri Apr 1, 2016, 07:32 PM - Edit history (2)
There is nothing to rebut. I have called a spade a spade. I'm sorry you aren't honest enough to acknowledge that.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Science_was_wrong_before
kwassa
(23,340 posts)You just don't understand it. Others here understand what I am saying, and actually respond to it as I laid it out.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)I also understand the fact that you won't acknowledge reality here.
I don't care. I've dealt with people like you over and over again.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)Have fun with that by yourself
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Bonx
(2,053 posts)My thinking says it wasn't science to begin with if it becomes pseudoscience.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)Until then, it was considered science.
Here is one list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superseded_scientific_theories
Here are ten scientific theories that proved wrong:
http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-most-famous-scientific-theories-that-turned-out-to-be-wrong.php
Bonx
(2,053 posts)kwassa
(23,340 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)A scientific theory is simply an inductive model that attempts to explain something that's observable but isn't provable. Science is the methods used to document evidence of the universe.
Opinions can and should change when new and better evidence becomes available. Some scientific theories will inevitably be disproved once new evidence becomes available. This isn't a weakness of science itself, but rather one of its strengths.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)Yet lay people are asked to trust scientific authority when it might well be wrong.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)That's not a good reason to assume it won't. Sometimes it's better to assume what we have is correct until proven otherwise because the consequences of not accepting a reasonable conclusion is greater than doing nothing while waiting for something to be proven which may never be provable. While it may be easy to point out past failures of widely held but flawed ideas, it's a bit harder to imagine where we would be had we not accepted certain premises.
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)Peer review is specifically designed so that the bias of individuals are minimized as much as possible.
Scientists and science in general does not have all the answers, if it did, it would stop.
Science is best summed up as tentative conclusions about what we think the world is like, and yes, the "scientific mantra" about "healthy living" if there was such a conclusion, could be reversed tomorrow due to the examination of evidence pointing to a different conclusion. So what? That's the strength of science, not its weakness. You seem to want certainty, well you are not going to find it in science, look into religion for that.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)and as such, people can certainly and reasonably doubt certain conclusions of science. Or at least be reasonably skeptical.
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)but far too many "doubt" science for ideological reasons, which is, to put it bluntly, stupid.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)TipTok
(2,474 posts)... And that was that.
Science grows, evolves and is occasionally turned on its head.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)I'm still working on it, but doing so has led me back from multiple pseudoscience based beliefs.
yortsed snacilbuper
(7,939 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Why did people believe NASA bombed the moon? People come up with all kinds of crazy notions and then confirmation bias kicks in.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)I've been having fun embedding youtube videos and watching Grumpy Cat and Trump move their hands with the beat!
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Most people, ultimately, are outcome-based thinkers. They decide what the desired answer is, and then interpret (or ignore) the facts into order to justify the desired outcome.
Just spend a day in GD-P.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)yortsed snacilbuper
(7,939 posts)chade
(103 posts)I think, even if the science holds up, something like GMO's can be a tough pill to swallow for liberal-minded people. Think of all of the institutions that have betrayed us, the ones that we are fighting against every day - the monkey business the financial industry has engaged in, labor's struggles, political corruption. Example after example of big industries using their weight to manipulate our systems of government can be demonstrated. So when the agriculture industry says their stuff is safe, it's a pretty understandable that there be a negative reaction and mistrust to that.
I trust in science, but I think it takes a lot of convincing to overcome those negative thoughts about industry, and I'm honestly not really sure how to go about addressing that.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Intelligent, perhaps, but not reasonable.
These people have no scientific expertise and yet think they know better than people who do. That's not a reasonable position to take.
Rex
(65,616 posts)After thinking about it for a few days, I am sticking with confirmation bias.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)sakabatou
(42,146 posts)frustrated_lefty
(2,774 posts)it may have something to do with blatant conflict of interest.
Association of financial or professional conflict of interest to research outcomes on health risks or nutritional assessment studies of genetically modified products. Food Policy. Volume 36, Issue 2, April 2011, Pages 197203.
Abstract
Since the first commercial cultivation of genetically modified crops in 1994, the rapidly expanding market of genetically modified seeds has given rise to a multibillion dollar industry. This fast growth, fueled by high expectations towards this new commercial technology and shareholder trust in the involved industry, has provided strong incentives for further research and development of new genetically modified plant varieties. Considering, however, the high financial stakes involved, concerns are raised over the influence that conflicts of interest may place upon articles published in peer-reviewed journals that report on health risks or nutritional value of genetically modified food products. In a study involving 94 articles selected through objective criteria, it was found that the existence of either financial or professional conflict of interest was associated to study outcomes that cast genetically modified products in a favorable light (p = 0.005). While financial conflict of interest alone did not correlate with research results (p = 0.631), a strong association was found between author affiliation to industry (professional conflict of interest) and study outcome (p < 0.001). We discuss these results by comparing them to similar studies on conflicts of interest in other areas, such as biomedical sciences, and hypothesize on dynamics that may help explain such connections.
Research highlights
► Observed relation between conflict of interest and GMO study outcome. ► Funding was not declared in 52% of the analyzed articles. ► Observed relation between funding declaration and author affiliation. ► At least one of the authors was connected with industry in 44% of the articles. ► 8% of articles received funding from industry.
cheapdate
(3,811 posts)Last edited Fri Apr 1, 2016, 10:03 PM - Edit history (1)
The many ways that scientific knowledge is poorly communicated are too numerous to count. It's poorly communicated by accident and by intent. It's miscommunicated to sell products. It's exaggerated to sell fear, and it's dismissed to promote ideologies.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Cruz said there has been a disproportionate increase since 2009 in funding of earth sciences. There has been an increase and it is larger than some other NASA areas but spending on earth sciences is lower now as a percentage of NASAs budget than it was in fiscal 2000. And the increase reflects an effort to restore funding that had been cut.
Cruz also suggested that the core mission of NASA does not include earth sciences. In fact, studying the Earth and atmosphere has been central to NASAs mission since its creation in 1958.
In criticizing NASAs spending on earth sciences, Cruz also said the agency needs to get back to the hard sciences meaning space exploration and not earth and atmospheric research. The term hard sciences refers to fields including physics and chemistry, which are central to the research being done as part of NASAs earth science programs.
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/03/cruz-distorts-nasas-mission-budget/
Cruz shuts down Congress and mothballs NASA. The man is a menace.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)don't or won't understand science is just as important as the people who have invested in the knowledge.
People who used to demeaned as idiots now have a place at the table. People like Louie Gohmert, James Inhofe, Jim Sensenbrenner who would have once had careers that didn't require much knowledge now are elected to congress.
The Internet hasn't helped in this. People who once couldn't get a letter to the editor published in a newspaper have the ability to spew their ignorance to the world.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Ignorance no longer matters, as long as you talk loud and proud on the Interwebs!
It's depressing to see it among progressives, however.
Rex
(65,616 posts)You are on to something here, Louie Gohmert might (big might) have the ability to run a gas station at best.
caraher
(6,278 posts)It seems plausible that these people are not reasonable, or scientifically illiterate. Research bears out neither conclusion. Instead, it's worth remembering that we are social animals, and having a secure place in our social order is no trifling matter. So when a scientific finding threatens that order, or one's place within it, at best there is a dilemma - and often the individual's calculation (conscious or not) will fall on the side of maintaining that order.
Research on science literacy and beliefs about climate change, for instance, shows that if you look at Democrats, increased science literacy correlates with stronger beliefs in the threat of human-caused climate change, while for Republicans the opposite is true - science literacy actually increases polarization, rather than acceptance of the science. It seems likely this is because the more science-literate Republicans are also more adept at employing that literacy in the service of convenient self-deception. They can pick at the evidence, convince themselves of alternative explanations, etc.
Yale researcher Anthony Leiserowitz has done a lot of fascinating work on this problem in the context of climate change. Most logical-sounding, simple explanations of the rejection of science actually do not survive scientific scrutiny!
LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)is still taught, while still in diapers, that the earth is 6000 years old and evolution is a lie- then they grow up with that subconscious mistrust of science.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)egduj
(805 posts)Just as today's science disproves yesterday's science.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)And you can't just ignore science and make things up because of that POV.
longship
(40,416 posts)New theory does not so much replace old theory as much as it modifies it, improves it.
For instance, Einstein's general theory of relativity is a better theory of gravitation than Newton's. However, that does not stop Newton's theory being good enough to put space probes in orbit -- and land them -- on distant planets. Also, Einstein's version is a bitch to work with.
There are many other examples. The reality is that modern science does not generally throw out the old theories because they still work, within their domains.