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Liberal_in_LA

(44,397 posts)
Sun May 1, 2016, 09:49 AM May 2016

Trump's damage to repub party has barely begun says George Will

Donald Trump's damage to the Republican Party, although already extensive, has barely begun. Republican quislings will multiply, slinking into support of the most anti-conservative presidential aspirant in their party's history. These collaborationists will render themselves ineligible to participate in the party's reconstruction.

Ted Cruz's announcement of his preferred running mate has enhanced the nomination process by giving voters pertinent information. They already know the only important thing about Trump's choice: His running mate will be unqualified for high office because he or she will think Trump is qualified.

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Trump would be the most unpopular nominee ever, unable to even come close to Mitt Romney's insufficient support among women, minorities and young people. In losing disastrously, Trump probably would create down-ballot carnage sufficient to end even Republican control of the House. Ticket splitting is becoming rare in polarized America: In 2012, only 5.7 percent of voters supported a presidential candidate and a congressional candidate of opposite parties.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-trump-clinton-george-will-garland-perspec-0502-jm-20160430-story.html

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Trump's damage to repub party has barely begun says George Will (Original Post) Liberal_in_LA May 2016 OP
You helped build the monster,George. sufrommich May 2016 #1
George: STFU, you sniveling little twit. DinahMoeHum May 2016 #2
Thanks for helping enable Trump, George. When the history of the destruction FSogol May 2016 #3
"Republican Quislings" - Perfect description of the G.O.P. AxionExcel May 2016 #4
Really useful word. sofa king May 2016 #37
This will only come to be randr May 2016 #5
Oh, it started in 1992 with Lumpball and the rest of the hate radio people. forest444 May 2016 #6
It started in 87 edhopper May 2016 #12
Exactly. Thank you. forest444 May 2016 #13
^ n/t BlancheSplanchnik May 2016 #14
It started with Reagan courting the religious right. sufrommich May 2016 #17
you got that right!!! - talk radio's worth >$5BIL/yr certainot May 2016 #18
No damage at all. yourpaljoey May 2016 #7
Your unhappiness fills me with great joy, Mr. Will. (nt) Paladin May 2016 #8
Amen to that! Cry me a muthah fuqqin rivah MadLinguist May 2016 #25
We've been hearing this same garbage since Nixon davidn3600 May 2016 #9
Fuck you George Botany May 2016 #10
An article that says absolutely nothing except stop Trump. wcast May 2016 #11
For Georgie and his pitful party: Liberalagogo May 2016 #15
Trumpf is a Pete Wilson on a national level. roamer65 May 2016 #16
And they admit that Cruz is unelectable also.. too crazy rightwingish Liberal_in_LA May 2016 #30
"A convention's sovereign duty is to choose a plausible nominee who has a reasonable chance to win, lindysalsagal May 2016 #19
Well then they are truly Well and Truly Fucked. Volaris May 2016 #40
Oh, Tragic libodem May 2016 #20
It's rather amusing watching the wheels come off Major Nikon May 2016 #21
Yes, particularly when they were declaring that this election was theirs to lose Liberal_in_LA May 2016 #28
Will's email address Botany May 2016 #22
I haven't seen a Republican cringe at a presumptive nominee like this in ages Jack Rabbit May 2016 #23
I have never seen a them cringe like this Liberal_in_LA May 2016 #29
it's a quandary Skittles May 2016 #31
George Will needs to shut the fuck up. malletgirl02 May 2016 #24
There's a good chance he's right this time Major Nikon May 2016 #32
Amen Feathery Scout May 2016 #33
Buyers remorse. No sympathy. MichiganVote May 2016 #26
Good. Trump is a true prick GOPblows431 May 2016 #27
Yes, George. Warren DeMontague May 2016 #34
Triumph of the Will sofa king May 2016 #35
George Will is a sniveling piece of shit. Trump is everything his party stands for. Rex May 2016 #36
Coming from the climate-lying bowtie-flaunting Twitlet USA Runner-Up Of 1962, hilarity! hatrack May 2016 #38
Trumps Damage to the GOP is a culmulation of the GOP's damage to Raine1967 May 2016 #39

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
1. You helped build the monster,George.
Sun May 1, 2016, 09:57 AM
May 2016

There's no republican "opinion leader" who has any right to complain about the denigration of the GOP into the Idiocracy party,it's yours,own it.

FSogol

(45,446 posts)
3. Thanks for helping enable Trump, George. When the history of the destruction
Sun May 1, 2016, 10:18 AM
May 2016

of the Gee-Oh-Pee is written, we'll be sure to give you credit for your part! Reagan-Bush-Trump!

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
37. Really useful word.
Sun May 1, 2016, 09:53 PM
May 2016

For a while it was back-formed into a verb, quisle, which meant to act traitorously.

Vikdkun Quisling was an amazingly ironic asshole in many ways. Even though his very name has come to define a traitorous government official, he was totally unsuccessful in his coup, being sidelined within a week of the Nazi invasion of Norway because virtually nobody on any side obeyed him.

He was eventually installed as a puppet President, and he hilariously quisled Nazi Norway back to the government he tried to depose in May, 1945. They had him shot under laws they wrote while acting as a government in exile.

He was also a white supremacist, but not a pro-German one. He considered the Norwegians to be the master race of Europe and thought the Germans were inferior boors.

What a dick. If he were alive today he'd be smoking cigars with George Will in a back room of The Mayflower.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vidkun_Quisling

randr

(12,409 posts)
5. This will only come to be
Sun May 1, 2016, 10:35 AM
May 2016

if the Democrats can keep the new voters and cross over Republicans in their camp.
The "Make America Great Again" chant of the Trumpets needs to be countered with
MAKE AMERICA GREATER on the left.

forest444

(5,902 posts)
6. Oh, it started in 1992 with Lumpball and the rest of the hate radio people.
Sun May 1, 2016, 10:44 AM
May 2016

George Will, as always, is just a little behind the curb on this one.

edhopper

(33,475 posts)
12. It started in 87
Sun May 1, 2016, 11:28 AM
May 2016

when Regan killed the Fairness Doctrine, so that people like Rush and Faux News could flourish.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
17. It started with Reagan courting the religious right.
Sun May 1, 2016, 11:54 AM
May 2016

And his idiot savant Lee Atwater stoking racism with southern democrats.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
18. you got that right!!! - talk radio's worth >$5BIL/yr
Sun May 1, 2016, 11:55 AM
May 2016

and while it is destroying the gop it's been taking the rest of us with it because the left has ignored it.

it is astounding that there doesn't seem to be any polling to measure the link between trump /cruz success and talk radio - i'll bet it's close or maybe even over 75% linkage with some fox on top as visual icing

here's some simple math for non- believers of the importance of talk radio and liberals outraged by money in politics:

at a cheap $1000/hr x 15hrs/day x 1200 stations, rw talk radio is worth 4.68 BIL$/ year or 390MIL$ /month FREE for coordinated global warming denial, pro republican wall st think tank propaganda, deregulation, hate, and swiftboating

- that's been going strong since the late 80s and early 90s after reagan killed the fairness doctrine in 87 -ten years before the 96 tel com act and fox and coinciding perfectly with the rise of ALEC, which had largely been ineffective before that, and record partisanship that has gotten worse as the talk radio gods made it impossible for moderate republicans to work with dems.

ironically, a major part of that talk radio monopoly, many of the loudest stations have thrived and depend heavily on the ad-drawing power of the sports programs of these 90 major universities, the same 'liberal' universities all the right wing blowhards rail against when they successfully sell ALEC's/GOP efforts to defund public education and beat back student debt relief! not to mention global warming denial that most students will be facing most of the rest of their lives.

all the left has to do to destroy rw radio is start protesting those universities - even if the republican uni admins stay with those stations the discussion will cause a major loss of advertisers that rw radio cannot handle.

in michigan for instance, 18 limbaugh stations supporting and making excuses for snyder would would fall apart, and the mich GOP, if students/communities at mich state 11 and michigan u 7 protested their absurd self destructive support for rw talk radio in michigan.

supermajorities would be possible for dems.

any way one looks at it, any major progressive issue can be protested at those universities - global warming denial, voter suppression, money on politics, lgbt, planned parenthood, racism, women's rights, trumpism, wall st, etc -

because that's what that $4.68 BILLION/YEAR + for 25 years has been used for - obstructing and reversing progress in america

and the biggest political mistake in history has been the left's ignore-ance of that while relying every year on GOTV and donation drives and volunteerism that fails to win what should be no-brainer elections for the dems.



Botany

(70,447 posts)
10. Fuck you George
Sun May 1, 2016, 11:22 AM
May 2016
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/12/3/277267/-

During the 1980 campaign, he [George Will] drew fire when it was learned he'd secretly coached Republican candidate Ronald Reagan for a debate with President Jimmy Carter using a debate briefing book stolen from the Carter campaign. Immediately following the debate, Will appeared on Nightline (10/28/80) to praise Reagan's "thoroughbred performance," never disclosing his role in rehearsing that performance (New York Times, 7/9/83). (emphasis added)

You and Fox helped to make the Trump monster and now he is gonna kill the republican party, oh well.

wcast

(595 posts)
11. An article that says absolutely nothing except stop Trump.
Sun May 1, 2016, 11:23 AM
May 2016

The only thing Cruz has going for him with the republican elite is he can use dog whistles instead of saying his crazy ideas out loud, for the most part. Will says nothing about changing party ideology and its practice of policies that only benefit the one percent.

roamer65

(36,744 posts)
16. Trumpf is a Pete Wilson on a national level.
Sun May 1, 2016, 11:48 AM
May 2016

Former CA gov Pete Wilson destroyed the CA Rethug party with Prop 187. Trumpf will do what Wilson did, but on national level.

lindysalsagal

(20,581 posts)
19. "A convention's sovereign duty is to choose a plausible nominee who has a reasonable chance to win,
Sun May 1, 2016, 11:58 AM
May 2016
not to passively affirm the will of a mere plurality of voters recorded episodically in a protracted process"

Dear Will,

You're losing it all because americans keep telling you this is our country, not yours. You will keep losing until you hear us tell you this.

Nobody died and made you king.

Signed,

We The People.

Volaris

(10,266 posts)
40. Well then they are truly Well and Truly Fucked.
Sun May 1, 2016, 10:38 PM
May 2016

Because there IS NO 'plausible nominee with a reasonable chance to win' on that side. The affirming of that plurality of votes is the only thing they have got left, and if Will and his idiot pundit brothers-in-arms ignore that for the sake of a (non-existant) Plausible Nominee then the party as it exists now won't exist much longer.

Good fuckin' riddance.

 

Liberal_in_LA

(44,397 posts)
28. Yes, particularly when they were declaring that this election was theirs to lose
Sun May 1, 2016, 06:39 PM
May 2016

Just six months ago. On talk radio.. they were so sure and proud of their long list of young candidates

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
23. I haven't seen a Republican cringe at a presumptive nominee like this in ages
Sun May 1, 2016, 01:09 PM
May 2016
Were {Trump} to be nominated, conservatives would have two tasks. One would be to help him lose 50 states — condign punishment for his comprehensive disdain for conservative essentials, including the manners and grace that should lubricate the nation's civic life. Second, conservatives can try to save from the anti-Trump undertow as many senators, representatives, governors and state legislators as possible.

Skittles

(153,111 posts)
31. it's a quandary
Sun May 1, 2016, 07:51 PM
May 2016

I have to hope I can enjoy this show AND fear what would happen if this narcissistic bully was really the president

malletgirl02

(1,523 posts)
24. George Will needs to shut the fuck up.
Sun May 1, 2016, 01:22 PM
May 2016

The only reason Trump is destroying the Republican party is that he is actually honest about what the party stands for. Racism, selfishness, greed, and belligerent foreign policy. Ever since the "Southern Strategy" the Republican party has been the party of Trump. The only difference between Trump and Will is while Will uses dog whistles, Trump trumpets his prejudice for all to see and hear.

George Will has been consistently wrong on every issue, and yet he still gets the media megaphone.

Feathery Scout

(218 posts)
33. Amen
Sun May 1, 2016, 08:51 PM
May 2016

Completely agree.

Trump has no subtlety to his hatred and racism; disallowing the Republicans their usual shield of plausible deniability.

He just comes out and point-blank says it....

Mexicans are rapists.
Rosie O'Donnell (and all women) is a fat pig.
POWs are losers.
Muslims are untrustworthy.


And if you support him (as a fellow elected Repub), then you also hold these views.

And if you vote for him, you do too.

Deadly for the long term viability of the party.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
34. Yes, George.
Sun May 1, 2016, 08:54 PM
May 2016

Perhaps the problem started when the "intellectuals" in the conservative movement decided the only way to get shit like a capital gains cut was to round up all the flat-earth jesus-drunk pinheads with carrot-level IQs and hand them elephant stickers.



sofa king

(10,857 posts)
35. Triumph of the Will
Sun May 1, 2016, 09:10 PM
May 2016

Thanks, George Will, for blowing the Nazi dog-whistle on Trump (quislings, collaborationists).

But let's not forget your own role as the H. S. Chamberlain of the Republican Party. At least you have lived to regret your daily work in the service of evil, even if you haven't admitted it yet.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
36. George Will is a sniveling piece of shit. Trump is everything his party stands for.
Sun May 1, 2016, 09:17 PM
May 2016

Fuckheads like Will still try and pretend the GOP is the party of this and that...but the illusion was destroyed by Trump. HAHA! Fucking cry George Will! Cry as your party implodes!

hatrack

(59,574 posts)
38. Coming from the climate-lying bowtie-flaunting Twitlet USA Runner-Up Of 1962, hilarity!
Sun May 1, 2016, 09:59 PM
May 2016

Last edited Mon May 2, 2016, 08:39 AM - Edit history (1)

And when the sun sets on the ruins of a crumbling, burning country, you, George, can rest easy, secure that in your own uniquely condescending and thoroughly self-impressed way, you helped make it happen - and even got paid in the process.

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
39. Trumps Damage to the GOP is a culmulation of the GOP's damage to
Sun May 1, 2016, 10:08 PM
May 2016

the country.

THAT is the real sin here.

Will, unsurprisingly, cares more about party than country, IMO.

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