Things getting ugly outside a Trump event- fist fights and cops...MSNBC now !!

[bettyellen]

[BlueNoMatterWho]

1. Disgusting

[ChisolmTrailDem]

6. What's disgusting? Please elaborate. nt

[BlueNoMatterWho]

8. Stuff like this. Second tweet down.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Timcast

[WolverineDG]

2. this is nuts!

reporter doing a play-by-play of some people chasing a guy down! Is this real?

[bettyellen]

3. I know!

[BlueNoMatterWho]

4. Real fucking disgusting. Cheap shots.

[joshcryer]

5. Someone is going to get killed.

Just a matter of time.

[bettyellen]

7. They are blaming Dems, look like paid people to me- silly hats?

[Retrograde]

31. The "Usual Suspects"?

aka the Berkeley anarchists who show up to protests in San Francisco and Oakland and trash things for no reasons apparently related to the protests themselves. The black bandanas seem to be a sign that someone's planning a bit of violence.

[LeftyMom]

48. Berkeley anarchists? What decade is it in your world?

Anarchists can't afford to live in Berkeley. Hell, they can barely afford Oakland.

[Retrograde]

68. Whatever - they're the people who

show up at every local protest and cause mayhem. There's been speculation that they're trust fund babies who want to relive the glory days of the 60s, kids from Contra Costa who are looking for opportunities to run amok, actual anarchists associated with Berkeley's Anarchist Bookstore - they show up at what start out as peaceful protests and turn them into havoc. If I see young people - especially men - show up at a demonstration with a bandana over their face, I expect the situation is going to deteriorate quickly.

[nadinbrzezinski]

87. They do

all over, not just Berkeley.

here they are quite mild

From last Friday in San Diego, I think that is one of mine. Between Tom and I, we shot about 1500

?w=700&h=&crop=1

[Skink]

79. Anarchists

[Warren DeMontague]

120. He's right. At the SF Iraq war protests back in '03 or so, there was always a group that would start

Shit, light mailboxes on fire, break windows. Maybe 10 or so people.

You would have 100,000 people at the civic center protesting peacefully, and guess who would end up on the evening news?

[ohnoyoudidnt]

13. It looks like a pretty volatile situation.

There may be some injuries tonight.

[BlueNoMatterWho]

14. There already have been. Hundreds of protestors chasing a kid in a Trump shirt?

WTF?

[joshcryer]

15. If it doesn't get bad now it will eventually.

Trump is the next Hitler to quite a few people.

[nadinbrzezinski]

71. There already have been

CNN did not show the crazy video Tim took of people going into a garage chasing Trump supporters. It was... wild.

[BlueNoMatterWho]

9. Burning American flags and then when interviewed saying this is Mexico.

This doesn't help.

[rollin74]

10. playing right into Trump's hands

it's so frustrating to watch this

[bettyellen]

11. I thought they were burning Trump merchandise?!?!

[nadinbrzezinski]

24. Here, from the story we did from San Diego

https://reportingsandiego.com/2016/05/28/thousands-protest-at-the-trump-rally-in-san-diego/

It might give you context. And yes most of the media does not get it. But there is a reason for that. Some of the people who say that, come from families with llllloooooonnnnnngggggg roots going back to New Spain, just saying.

That said, the optics do suck, but people need to understand the context

[bettyellen]

29. These guys were super young - in wondering who organized this?

[nadinbrzezinski]

32. The same colectivos that organized this in San Diego

or other community organizations.

Here in San Diego it was literally the usual suspects that take to the streets every so often.

[bettyellen]

35. So not likely connected to any organization, but dedicated youth?

[nadinbrzezinski]

44. Connected to community organizations

such as the Colectivo Zapatista.

Since we did not have a usable photo of any of them, I did not have to bother explaining that, for example.

Many of the barrios in the South West have community organizations at the very local level, mirroring neighborhood organizations in Mexico, For example one of the groups here, was the Union del Barrio, which is based and mostly concerned with Barrio Logan. Their beef,. is mostly with bad government that for example, over polices the neighborhood They are also concerned with the local schools, and the streets and they have, locally, two aztec dancer troupes. These are not unlike your Neighborhood Association, but they trend way,and I mean this, politically to the left. And I do not mean the US bland version of the left. I mean the PRD version, or the Mexican Labor Party version... which makes American progressives looking like mere centrists on a good day.

The Colectivo Zapatisa is an outshoot of the Zapatista front in Chiapas, with some people being recent arrivals from Chiapas.

Yeah, yeah, these colectivos are a base of mobilization and self protection.

The Mexican Flag is not unlike the Irish or Italian flag at these events, it is a symbol of ethnic and cultural pride with a few who are nationalists.

[lunamagica]

33. False. No flags were burned

[greyl]

37. There were at least 30 cameras pointed at a small one being ignited, CNN. nt

[lunamagica]

40. They were burning Trump's red campaign hats.

[greyl]

47. And at least one small USA flag. nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

65. CNN did show a US flag being burned

[Jesus Malverde]

74. Video

https://twitter.com/dcbigjohn/status/738562105733873669/video/1

[nadinbrzezinski]

77. Thanks

[BlueNoMatterWho]

42. Don Lemon of CNN reported that flags were burned but I did not see it happen.

[nadinbrzezinski]

72. They had that video on for about 2 seconds

[rollin74]

54. 1 American flag was definitely burned (small one on a pole)

CNN showed it happen live and then repeatedly played the footage

relatively small part of the crowd was around it

[malaise]

109. Bullshit

They're on the take for Trump - wake the fugg up!

[nadinbrzezinski]

119. With all due respect

no, they are not on the take, and you have no idea about the dynamics at play here. I do. This is politics happening outside the realm of both national parties and has far more to do with the ever present fight for civil rights of the Mexican American community.

[BlueNoMatterWho]

12. Kid walking through crowd with Trump shirt getting sucker punched live on MSNBC.

Nice.

[yeoman6987]

34. Next 48 hours will be about trump again

Hillary's speech just became old news. Do these protesters not realize they just messed up the news cycle for us?

[rollin74]

63. my thoughts exactly

[nadinbrzezinski]

78. News flash

these protesters are not working on your news cycle.

[yeoman6987]

104. Hey they are screwing Hillary's speech and that's a fact.

You sound like you support these protestors.

[nadinbrzezinski]

105. No *I understand these protesters.*

dime on the dollar that they did not even know there was a speech in San Diego today.

And they are outside of your political paradigm by the way,

Here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027876901

[SlimJimmy]

108. I looked at your article.

Where are your interviews with the Trump supporters? Did you get any pics of their signs?

[nadinbrzezinski]

112. Yes we did and we tried to interview them.

They did not talk to just any media.

We ran photos of the line and like other Secret Service protected zones, tjey got tje signs inside

Bernie was more relaxed in that sense.

[SlimJimmy]

113. The only folks that would talk to you were protesters/democrats?

I'm really having a hard time buying that. But, I guess you might have turned them off with the kevlar. Maybe they thought you were the police.

[nadinbrzezinski]

114. They talked to fox no problem

but they also did not talk to many others and for the most part, the pressers done by the Dems and the other activist were not carried by any other media. You are free to read other people as well and if you think we are that biased, you are free to not read us. But we tried.

We took photos of the trump merch. like we do at any of these rallies, but we simply concentrated on the rest of the story.

And here is a line of Trump supporters with a TRUMP sign waiting to enter the venue

?w=1000&h=&crop=1

It is there, on the site,

And here you go

?w=365&h=243&crop=1

And of course this one

?w=365&h=243&crop=1

And then there is this one

?w=700

I figured a middle finger salute might not be the best

[SlimJimmy]

115. Why concentrate on one side of the story, but not the other?

I didn't see these photos in your article. Did I miss them?

We took photos of the trump merch. like we do at any of these rallies, but we simply concentrated on the rest of the story.

[nadinbrzezinski]

116. You did (and they were in the gallery)

The don't thread on me flag is in the body of the story

And because we pointed this out in the second part that was run as a separate story. For the record, we are in good company, politico cannot get in either. Enjoy the Palin, dang CSPAN would not play

https://reportingsandiego.com/2016/05/28/reporting-san-diego-was-not-inside-the-trump-rally/

[SlimJimmy]

117. You're not a local outlet?

I thought you were local.

[nadinbrzezinski]

118. Very local

but I actually found out just how many outlets have had credentials denied, Politico, like us, went public.

[bettyellen]

16. It's 90% super young men - teens to 25, many with kerchiefs

And so more people running around taking video than anything! It's bizarre.

[bettyellen]

18. In other words, lol, not Hillary voters!

[BlueNoMatterWho]

19. Egging?

How about sucker punching a kid and chasing after him as a crowd? Throwing shit at people walking down the street? What the hell?

[LiberalElite]

20. I call B.S.

just arrived here less than 30 minutes ago? Favorite group Hillary Clinton? You're gonna have to finesse it better than that BROCK BRO.

[BlueNoMatterWho]

23. It happened live on MSNBC within the last ten minutes!

Kid had a red Trump shirt on and got sucker punched as he was trying to get away. Right behind the reporter. Then the entire crowd chased after him.

[bettyellen]

26. Nope- it was live on TV. I wonder if Teump didn't organize it though!

[Turin_C3PO]

30. I think people

are refuting the idea that it's Bernie supporters.

[puffy socks]

38. Well of course

As far as they are concerned they and their candidate can do no wrong. Even if they get video of Bernie signs and Bernie shirts they will simply claim its Trump supporters , Hillary plants pretending to be Bernie supporters or it will be played down. This is always the way Berners roll.

[Turin_C3PO]

41. I saw a few Bernie signs at the protest.

But I didn't see any signs or shirts among the attackers there. I'm not going to smear either sides supporters with that brush.

[puffy socks]

51. That's fine by me.

The shoe fits , they lie every time one of the Berner people causes problems, whether its stealing from the DNC, making up ridiculous lies about rigged elections, or trying to portray violence and having to talk some thug out of throwing a chair at the Nevada convention as just " lifting a chair and placing it back down. " notice how they cant just admit some asshat got out of control instead they try and dilute the violent intent.
.
Even the Bernie supporter who threatened to cut out a congressman's tongue is just waved off like its just one fanatic...yet there have been multiple death threats , rape threats wishes for hanging etc. and we're to believe none of it is from sanders supporters?
Rubbish. I'll go by their reputation thus far... they had nio problem in making this bed, they can lie in its filth.

[nadinbrzezinski]

22. WRONG. I just saw the feed from Tim Cast

you are dead wrong

[BlueNoMatterWho]

25. Here's a separate incident from the same protest tonight.

[nadinbrzezinski]

28. That is Tim Poole video

This got hot in a hurry. He has a few on his twitter feed

https://twitter.com/Timcast

But he is wrong in claiming this is Bernie supporters doing that. This meme is as good as berniebros... valid as a three dollar bill

[puffy socks]

43. pffft

and you have proof it's not?

[nadinbrzezinski]

46. Yeah, would you like to go over ny 1500 from the rally in San Diego

where people here claimed the same shit?

Where do we meet? I will give you access to them. For the record, there were three out of 3000, and I know for a fact ten HRC supporters.

For the record, they all left before things got ahem. hot

[puffy socks]

55. Oh sure.

so easy. I have been talking to 10,000 other Bernie supporters who said it was Bernie people . Gee so hard to lie online.

That's not proof .

[nadinbrzezinski]

57. So photographic record is not good enough? By the way

the democratic party was there too. Here you go

?w=327&h=490&crop=1

That is the head of the San Diego Party. Want to continue this pissing match?

Do spot the Bernie Sanders here. I triple dare you

?w=696&h=464&crop=1

Show me the Sanders supporters here

?w=499&h=332&crop=1

And here is where the Trump supporters started the shit... please do find the Bernie sign... it's like Waldo

?w=700

And for the record, here is the only sign that was present

?w=700&h=&crop=1

[puffy socks]

66. again that proves nothing

I can go take pics of Bernie supporters and post them too.

Do you have a clue what proof is?


Proof these aren't Bernie supporters causing the problems tonight has nothing to do with San Diego where Bernie supporters harassed children.. In San Diego going by video I saw people wearing Bernie shirts and holding signs and yelling and harassing Hillary rally goers. I heard them, but of course Bernie supporters always blame others...

just as they did the DNC when they hacked into the system,
just as they have done with every election their candidate lost
Just like they did at the Nevada convention with the violence and cursing.
Like they do with delegate math on and on... Its just not in the BoB's core to be honest about anything. I cant wait until the 16th

no more of this ridiculous garbage defending every crappy action of Berners and their oh-so-honest desire for civil campaigns.


have a great night

cant wait to see bernie concede in just a few weeks. Its gonna be deeeeelicious!

[nadinbrzezinski]

70. I guess you are so full of hate

that you cannot understand that this has nothing, nada, to do with either the Bernie Campaign or the HRC campaign. You might want to look into Prop 187 and the protests back then. This has much more in common with that, than either national party.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_187

By the way, the photo I showed you is outside the San Diego Convention Center LAST FUCKING FRIDAY. I was there. I am sure you would not get even close to one of these things, after all you might get hurt. for real. And to be honest. stay away from them.

https://reportingsandiego.com/2016/05/28/thousands-protest-at-the-trump-rally-in-san-diego/

Get off that high horse, and try to learn something, Becuase this is getting down right dangerous, and your partisan hyper partisan thinking is going to inflame things.

[ornotna]

121. So you have proof that they are Sanders supporters?

You have the proof, right?

[GulfCoast66]

96. You think

When this video goes viral it will help any democratic candidate? All Americans are repulsed by this kind of behavior. So the guy support Trump. That is his right.

And the guy hit with an object then ran like a coward. I hate Trump. But I would have loved to see the peaceful guy run him down and pound his ass into the ground. Because that is illegal behavior. And you know as well as I do that the coward is a Bernie supporter. Unless he thinks Bernie is to much of a right wing candidate. Which would not surprise me here lately.

[nadinbrzezinski]

98. Tim Poole is recording the event

just like I recorded the event in San Diego last Friday

How do you control fear? Much of this is driven by absolute fear of what Trump will do the Mexican American (try to think Jewish 1932), community.

And if you think that is a Bernie supporter, I do have a bridge here in San Diego. Light use, fully paid off. Unlike you, I am not a key board commando and I have been in the streets many a times when things get sketchy.

Let me show you some photos from San Diego,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7876758

There is one Bernie sign, would you like to join me so you can go over 1500 photos? That is roughly what we shot. I admit a few are crap. Your hyper partisanship is not going to help.

Oh and here is the context for those photos, and even more photos

https://reportingsandiego.com/2016/05/28/thousands-protest-at-the-trump-rally-in-san-diego/

Oh and so we are absolutely clear, The Bernie Supporter, the HRC supporters and the Democratic party were gone before things got ahem... interesting.

[Turin_C3PO]

27. Nope.

Not Bernie or Hillary supporters.

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. Tim Poole just stopped

his live feed. Ah... am glad it did not get this bad in San Diego, but this is not good. It is getting amped, and as usual this is starting as Trump ends. For the record, this time around the fights seem to have been started by the protesters.

[BlueNoMatterWho]

36. For those not believing what I observed myself on live TV CLICK ON THIS LINK

The top two tweets are video footage taken by a freelance photographer. One, another man getting sucker punched, the second a woman being cornered by a shouting crowd with egg on her face and in her hair:

https://mobile.twitter.com/marcusdipaola

[cheapdate]

39. So sad Trump's hate rallies have come to this.

Not.

[BlueNoMatterWho]

45. Are you ok with that woman being cornered and egged because she had a USA shirt on?

[Daniel537]

50. You worthless piece of shit

Real brave of you to support assaulting a woman.

[BlueNoMatterWho]

53. It really is surreal people cheering on a woman getting assaulted at a political rally.

[Daniel537]

61. No excusing this shit. Ever.

This is the type of stuff that will get Trump elected. Good job, you fucking lowlifes.

[modem77]

58. If you want Trump to get elected this is how you do it.

[BlueNoMatterWho]

60. Unfortunately

[BlueNoMatterWho]

59. So she deserved it?

[BlueNoMatterWho]

67. Defending the assaulting of women. Stay classy.

[Person 2713]

99. If you read the twitter caption it said She taunted them and was pelted with eggs. Sort of dumb

to mess with people with raw eggs in their hand
IMO you go to a hate rally you gotta expect a little hate but oops look now it's you everyone around you hates so hate rallies suck now when you are the hated not the hater

[cheapdate]

101. Brilliant.

[mwrguy]

52. Lay down with dogs

Get up with fleas.

[nadinbrzezinski]

64. I am not going to be politically correct with you

and tell you what *&*^*I* Only will point out that you are part of the problem and do not understand the danger in this.

[cheapdate]

73. How many reports from around the country

have there been lately of random acts of serious violence against men and women who "look Mexican" or "look Muslim"?

Trump is a f*^king beast and his father was KKK. His rise is empowering every hateful bigot in the country to slither out from under their rocks and threaten good people everywhere.

F*^k him and everyone who empowers him.

[nadinbrzezinski]

76. Yes, and.. I know those reports

why do you think I said this is getting dangerous?

And I am not empowering him, This is the last days of the Weimar republic, but if we are to prevent that, we need to prevail with cooler heads and not celebrate the violence. And trust me. I have no patience for white supremacists.

[cheapdate]

81. Wasn't my intention

to imply you were empowering him. Apologies if you took it that way.

[ryan_cats]

69. Cannot

Cannot be any worse than what goes on on the inside. How is it possible that this guy is a nominee for a major party? Are we getting the government we deserve?

This is why that, despite our differences, we need to come together to vote D up and down the ticket.

[romanic]

75. Black Bloc

and other professional agitators not helping us! Let the Don rant like a crazy man and dig his grave by himself.

[trudyco]

80. So it looks like young men are instigating the physical assaults

and Trump supporters are the victims. It's one thing for people to quietly protest but this is getting into crowd mentality and that's dangerous. Can't trust a mob of people.

Organizers should be rallying AWAY from trump speech areas. Clashes make Trump and his supporters sympathetic figures. How can you not feel badly for the girl with egg on her face or the man tripped or the man with blood dripping down his face? Violence in protest is wrong. All the leaders should be condemning it.

Raise your voice, but not your fist.

[BlueNoMatterWho]

83. Beautifully said.

[nadinbrzezinski]

85. This is the first time that this happens

usually it is literally the other way around.

[madamesilverspurs]

82. Color me cynical, but

it wouldn't surprise me in the least should someone discover that Trump had hired some troublemakers. He does love casting himself as the victim and there's no reason to believe that he's above doing whatever it takes to create that "sympathetic" scenario.

[nadinbrzezinski]

84. And your cynicism would be quite misplaced

these are very organic. Just saying, In San Diego, it was literally the same people that march regularly

[madamesilverspurs]

88. I hope it IS misplaced.

But I still wouldn't be surprised by the other scenario, given Trump's character (or lack thereof).

[nadinbrzezinski]

89. I know

I suspect we will see the very informal pushing of the Trump brown shits now... and this escalation is way dangerous,

[NobodyHere]

86. If this is how liberals act

It makes me ashamed to be a liberal.

We keep saying that Trump is the fascist but then we use fascist tactics, and it's often defended and cheered on.

[BlueNoMatterWho]

90. I saw a sign in a crowd that said "Stop Hate" and the next second I see a kid get sucker punched.

[NobodyHere]

91. :(

[nadinbrzezinski]

92. I know it is going to get hard for folks

but this has nothing, like nada, to do wth liberals and conservatives and the fights in middle class neighborhoods. This has a lot more to do with the civil rights of Mexican Americans who feel under threat. The same happened with prop 187.Seriously.

The people who live in the barrio see Trump the same way they saw Governor Davis in California Not just a personal threat, but literally a rolll back of the few civil rights gains people have made.

Yeah, yeah, I had that epiphany last Friday as I saw colectivo after colectivo marching in.

[trudyco]

94. No, it looked to me like a few hot headed youngsters egged on by the mob mentality.

Seen it before in other situations: sports games, teenagers getting in drunken fights at parties, etc. Of course, that doesn't make it not dangerous.

I just wouldn't call it fascism. Some in DU may cheer it on, but they could just be trolls. Doesn't mean anything.

[BlueNoMatterWho]

93. More video. Separate from the kid getting knocked down and chased by the crowd that I mentioned Be4.

[David__77]

95. Violence against Trump supporters will not help Trump's chances.

I'm not advocating for violence against Trump supporters. I do not think that violence against Trump supporters or Trump supporters having a sense of being intimidated will be at all helpful to Trump's chances. Rather, it will de-normalize Trump and potentially make his principal opponent seem safe by comparison. That's my opinion.

[BlueNoMatterWho]

97. You may be correct David.

But I'm concerned some in the middle may take exception to the American flag burned by young men waving Mexican flags.

[David__77]

100. I think many absolutely would take exception to that.

First of all, during this upcoming campaign season, I do not think that the people who may burn US flags are likely to be supporters of the Democratic presidential candidate. And I think that the people who identify as in the middle politically get that that's the case. There are a lot of political orientations in play and only some of them are really well aligned with either of the two parties, in my opinion.

[Person 2713]

102. Trump is unsafe not only for this country but the world if POTUS . Unrest and violence just two of

many scourges he incites. he is a danger to us all

[bettyellen]

103. I hope you're right. That was unfortunate at any rate.

[Crepuscular]

106. With all due respect

I think your belief that violence directed against Trump supporters will not help him is delusional. Middle America views this kind of behavior as being reminiscent of the Brown Shirts attacking those who opposed National Socialism and are repelled by it. Couple that with an undercurrent of xenophobia which is rising in this country and I will guarantee you that videos of mobs of young Latino males waving Mexican flags, assaulting Trump supporters and burning American flags will boost support for Trump in many of the key Midwestern, blue collar, swing states such as Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin this fall. These types of images are a PR disaster for Democratic candidates in the upcoming election.

[BlueNoMatterWho]

107. Agreed. Unfortunately.

[Angel Martin]

110. you are braindead !

every reactionary politician in history has run on "law and order"

stuff like this is not just a California story. Everyone in America will see this over and over and over and over again.

Hillary could make a big speech a day for 5 days and no-one will hear a word.

[coco77]

111. K&R!