Quotes from Karl Marx that will chill you to the bone...

[clarice]

“The last capitalist we hang shall be the one who sold us the rope.”
― Karl Marx

“The less you eat, drink and read books; the less you go to the theatre, the dance hall, the public house; the less you think, love, theorize, sing, paint, fence, etc., the more you save-the greater becomes your treasure which neither moths nor dust will devour-your capital. The less you are, the more you have; the less you express your own life, the greater is your alienated life-the greater is the store of your estranged being.”
― Karl Marx

“It is not the consciousness of men that determines their being, but, on the contrary, their social being that determines their consciousness.”
― Karl Marx, A Contribution to the Critique of Political Economy

“Society does not consist of individuals, but expresses the sum of interrelations, the relations within which these individuals stand.”
― Karl Marx, Grundrisse: Foundations of the Critique of Political Economy

In one word, you reproach us with intending to do away with your property. Precisely so: that is just what we intend.”
― Karl Marx, The Communist Manifesto

“The education of all children, from the moment that they can get along without a mother's care, shall be in state institutions.”
― Karl Marx

The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism. Karl Marx

[scscholar]

1. I love the education quote

It's particularly timely given how those Republicans are destroying education. Destroying education.

[clarice]

2. Spooky isn't it?nt

[PJMcK]

78. The Republican plot is nefarious

The GOP has been whittling away at public education in this country for decades. I think the results are showing themselves in how critical thinking has been damaged. They want the public dumb so they can control us.

[arcane1]

3. I like some of his quotes:

“Surround yourself with people who make you happy. People who make you laugh, who help you when you’re in need. People who genuinely care. They are the ones worth keeping in your life. Everyone else is just passing through.”

“The oppressed are allowed once every few years to decide which particular representatives of the oppressing class are to represent and repress them.”

[clarice]

4. I like the first one...

It seems incongruous to his generally violent dictums.

[Bluenorthwest]

69. That's because the quote is from the composer Karl Marx who is a different person with different

ironies involved, the composer Karl Marx wrote music for Nazi rallies and Hitler Youth. And that's his quote about people who make you laugh and such.

[Scuba]

5. Regarding private property ...

[djean111]

8. That is not a convenient quote for those who would paint Bernie Sanders as a Marxist, doncha know.

Looks like that trend is continuing, abolishing private property for 90% and more of the population.

[djean111]

6. Why should we be chilled to the bone?

Has he been resurrected?

[clarice]

7. No....but many people still believe in his philosophy....and THAT is horrifying. nt

[djean111]

9. Like who? Is there a clear and present danger?

I am horrified by war and fracking, but some of us practically worship those who will inflict it. I am more worried about them.

[clarice]

12. No, no immediate danger.nt

[Kingofalldems]

10. I think republican philosophy is even more horrifying.

[clarice]

18. See Venezuela. nt

[Kingofalldems]

19. See The Great Depression right here in the USA.

Oops.

[clarice]

20. Always bringing up the negative about America... I'm curious....

are you brave enough to tell us what your TRUE agenda is?

[Kingofalldems]

21. I am a loyal Democrat. That's my agenda.

Now what about you?

[Kingofalldems]

26. Where have I said anything bad about America?

Links please or you made it up.

[clarice]

29. Easier if you tell me what you LOVE about America....and....

you still haven't answered my question....don't be shy..... I promise that if you tell... i won't taunt you.

[Kingofalldems]

67. I served in the military.

Get a nice pension from my job. Pension oh yeah, pretty sure that's a socialist idea. Like the 8 hr. workday. And paid vacation. I like plenty about America. Is your point that Democrats hate America? Don't be shy.

So now YOU can show me where I have attacked America, or you made it up.

[Person 2713]

84. Thank you for your service and you have right to an opinion . Thank you for guarding that right

to have our say - good or bad

[Person 2713]

83. George Bush checking in ...??? Or is it old Joe Mc.C?? Eegads

Ironic sig line

[clarice]

49. Still waiting.nt

[Fuddnik]

80. I have a t shirt with my agenda on it.

Agenda for the day.....

Let dog in, let dog out.
Let dog in, let dog out.
Let dog in, let dog out.



Works for me.

[Kingofalldems]

23. BTW, I bring up negative about REPUBLICANS, not America.

[LanternWaste]

37. it can be frustrating when focusing on the negative of a thing, we're met with a valid corollary

I suppose it can be rather frustrating when we focus on the negative of a thing, and are met with a valid corollary that both broadens our premise and forces us to think. Very inconvenient indeed.

[clarice]

40. How ironic that YOU would show up!!! lol Not fooling anyone.nt

[LanternWaste]

41. I've little doubt that means something... to someone. Somewhere.

Implication is indeed, the best tool available for the simplistic.

(space provided free of charge below for additional irrelevance if required)

[clarice]

43. * smiles knowingly to herself*nt

[Aerows]

60. Do you read your own signature line?

At some point you must have thought it relevant enough to add it to your profile.

[closeupready]

66. Good catch!

[Aerows]

71. Glad to see you, my friend

[closeupready]

72. Backatcha!

[Kingofalldems]

73. OMG, does she still think that I am you

and you are me?

[Odin2005]

75. I am a Marxist. BOO!

[craigmatic]

89. Nothing wrong with communism especially when America is teetering closer to fascism now.

[closeupready]

13. Because clarice says so. ... Something like that, I guess.

[clarice]

17. Yes...ho humm...but what about the actual quotes?....any feedback?..nt

[closeupready]

11. I consider myself a liberal capitalist, but shame on you, Clarice.

You are cherry-picking arguably the worst of his quotations, offering them here 100% without context or cite. No sale.

You can do this with ANYONE, as you must well know.

Just disgraceful.

[Kingofalldems]

14. Agree 100%.

[clarice]

15. Yes, I picked the ones that would "chill you to the bone"...that was kinda the....

idea of the thread. Too often our heroes have feet of clay, but it is always glossed over for
maximum consumption. I'm sorry if you were offended, sometimes when people see the underbelly of
an issue, it is not an easy thing to take.

[Throd]

16. Marx had some good observations and said a lot of moronic shit.

Most people do that.

[Aerows]

62. I think I've typed the word "fuck" more times today

than I have probably uttered verbally in a year.

There seems to be an influx of people on very tall horses attempting to trample people on the ground.

It's getting pretty knee-deep in horseshit around here because of it.

[Warpy]

70. Thank you

Most of those quotes chill people to the bone because they haven't read them correctly or in context.

Marx's descriptions of capitalism were spot on, no one has ever managed to do it better. However, I prefer Keynes's prescription for what to do about it over Marx's, which I find unrealistically Utopian.

[Warpy]

68. Most of those are worst because of superficial misreading

Society is definitely not made of individuals, look at the sovereign citizen movement to realize why. Individuals agree to pool their resources and act together and that is what makes a society rather than an uncoordinated mob of individuals, all acting against each other in self absorption.

The others also bear closer reading.

[Doctor_J]

85. the ghost of Joe mccarthy is making a comeback among right wingers

who unfortunately have been overrunning du during the primary campaign

[panader0]

22. You must really hate this song:

Imagine no possessions....

[clarice]

27. I'm always amused when someone unknowing says "I love this song" and holds..

up a lit cigarette lighter, not knowing what the song is actually about. Then when you tell them, there like "EWWWWW"

[pangaia]

36. Bingo !!! best way to handle somebody out to bait.

[clarice]

45. Yes...very well..but do you have any comment...

on the quotes in the OP?

[pangaia]

53. nope

[Qutzupalotl]

86. Battling Marx with Lennon.

[rug]

25. If you're not selling rope, you shouldn't be chilled.

[clarice]

28. sorry, lost me on that one. nt

[rug]

31. Marx was talking about how capitalism reduces all to commodities, even at the expense of life.

Imagine what he'd say about fossil fuels.

[clarice]

33. Yes but in HIS proposed system.... PEOPLE are reduced to less than commodities...

chilling when you think about it.

[rug]

35. Not really. People are liberated from being commodities.

Starting with the theft of their labor.

[pangaia]

38. Hey rug, he wasn't planning on running into you..

[clarice]

48. Please stay on topic....do you have any opinions...

on the quotes cited in the OP?

[rug]

52. Hell, I was just on my way to Cooking & Baking.

[pangaia]

54. LOL !! Kersplurt..

I read a lot of your posts, but almost never say anything...

I always learn something.. well.. most of the time.

[Aerows]

74. I have that problem, too.

I was going to C&B to see the "What's for dinner" thread to come up with ideas, and then I run into horse shit like this.

[clarice]

39. But it's not theft when workers are renumerated according to their ability...

not the other way around where they are punished for their abilities.

[rug]

42. You have it backwards.

It starts with to each according to their need, and ends with from each according to their ability.

The goal is to have a society where needs are met, not a society where wealth is concentrated "according to their ability".

Do you prefer a society where one's "ability" is remunerated, regardless of whether others' needs are met?

[clarice]

46. No I did not have it backwards... i know well of his poison phrase.....

In his system, you have to prove your NEED more than you abilities... It turns people into
what amounts to beggars. Imagine having to stand in front of some bureaucrat and explain
what your needs are.

[rug]

50. I thought the John Birch Society was defunct.

I'll be damned, there it is: http://www.jbs.org/

[CanSocDem]

57. And imagine finding it...

...so close to home. Must be the clever disguise....



.

[pangaia]

56. "remunerated"

That's ok, sometimes I misunderstand meanings also..

[pinboy3niner]

58. Whew! I was afraid they were changing my username...

...to pinboyforty.

[pangaia]

63. Boy you guys are quick...

I must be getting old-----er

[pinboy3niner]

90. :)

[muriel_volestrangler]

87. It's odd that if that's how you see Marx, you included the second quote

This one: “The less you eat, drink and read books; the less you go to the theatre, the dance hall, the public house; the less you think, love, theorize, sing, paint, fence, etc., the more you save-the greater becomes your treasure which neither moths nor dust will devour-your capital. The less you are, the more you have; the less you express your own life, the greater is your alienated life-the greater is the store of your estranged being.”

Marx is there complaining that under capitalism, people have been reduced to less than commodities - that they are told they don't deserve to eat, drink (beyond the minimum needed to stay alive) and read books, etc. Marx's point is that everyone deserves to be able to go to the theatre, the dance hall, etc.; they shouldn't be kept at the minimum level of survival, nor told that the 'moral' thing to do if they get any money beyond that is to save it.

Here's the context, if it isn't clear: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/manuscripts/needs.htm . It's the section that starts:

How the multiplication of needs and of the means (of their satisfaction) breeds the absence of needs and of means is demonstrated by the political economist (and by the capitalist: in general it is always empirical businessmen we are talking about when we refer to political economists, (who represent) their scientific creed and form of existence) as follows:

(1) By reducing the worker’s need to the barest and most miserable level of physical subsistence, and by reducing his activity to the most abstract mechanical movement; thus he says: Man has no other need either of activity or of enjoyment. For he declares that this life, too, is human life and existence.

(2) By counting the most meagre form of life (existence) as the standard, indeed, as the general standard – general because it is applicable to the mass of men. He turns the worker into an insensible being lacking all needs, just as he changes his activity into a pure abstraction from all activity. To him, therefore, every luxury of the worker seems to be reprehensible, and everything that goes beyond the most abstract need – be it in the realm of passive enjoyment, or a manifestation of activity – seems to him a luxury. ...

The education quote is saying private schools would be abolished under communism, and public ones (and, I would infer, universities) free to everyone:

(viii) Education of all children, from the moment they can leave their mother’s care, in national establishments at national cost. Education and production together.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm

I'm not sure what he meant by "education and production together", I must confess.

As for the last quote about 'peace', he probably didn't say it: https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100722185228AAx4CAP If someone can find something like it that can be traced to a specific work, speech or time, the context would be useful.

[clarice]

30. OHHHHHH just noticed your picture....never mind.

[rug]

32. I noticed yours as well.

But I'm hopeful.

[clarice]

34. Me to...you seem like a nice person.nt

[Agnosticsherbet]

44. Marx is like the bible.

You have the brotherhood, and love, and peace,
And then you have the smiting.

With both, you must be careful to take what you see as good, and be careful not to try to force it down the throats of those whose gag reflex doesn't allow it.

[clarice]

47. Very good post... but I have to differ on the brotherhood love thing....

Marxism is designed to suppress the human instinct to achieve, all the while being governed by a
chosen elite.

[clarice]

51. My work here is done...thanks to all. Have a great weekend.nt

[rug]

55. All rise.

[pangaia]

64. Oh man, that reminds me of the 7th inning stretch!

That's when I always go out for a beer... and a piss... piss first, of course...

[closeupready]

65. lol, snarf ...

[Eleanors38]

77. Heh. "Order in the court! Judge has to spit!...." nt

[arcane1]

59. Yep, you tried and failed.

And fooled no one.

[REP]

82. Declare victory and retreat

Old Usenet tactic. Still doesn't work.

[Vogon_Glory]

61. Before you sing your Randian swan song here, please take note:

Before you sing your Randian swan song here, please take note that not all Democrats are socialists. Moreover, you might wish to take note that most of DU's socialists probably aren't Marxists. Furthermore, of those that are, most have become disenchanted with the state socialism practiced in the late not-particularly-lamented USSR.

Of us not-particularly-socialist DU'ers, many of us have become convinced that governments run for the benefit of large corporations and a selfish, short-sighted oligarchy are neither fair nor just nor have the best interests of the citizenry at heart. And while many of us acknowledge that private corporations tend to be more efficiently-managed than their government-owned counterparts, we note that private corporations can be ineptly or criminally managed at the expense of workers, customers, creditors, and shareholders, as many of the "little people" caught up in the collapse of Enron found out.

I do hope little Randians pay attention to the self-obvious. It may help them on the road to wisdom.

[Odin2005]

76. I support all of these quotes.

But that is because I'm a Marxist.

[struggle4progress]

79. My favorite quote from Marx is “Je ne suis pas marxiste,” his dismissive retort

to Paul Lafargue

Marx was a complicated and talented man, sometimes journalist, sometimes political organizer, sometimes propagandist, sometimes outraged Old Testment prophet, sometimes theorist of political economy

His observations of the politics of his time exhibit an interesting mix of approaches, in which he examines not only cultural assumptions (which are often uncritically passed down as conclusions about much earlier events, no longer relevant to current conditions) but also the economic base of a society and the resulting interest groups. He also notes the possibility that people's abstract thinking can cloud their understanding

It is rather curious that such an original and non-ideological thinker has been so often portrayed as an ideologue

Some of your quotes certainly aren't from Marx but are likely rephrasings of Lenin. Lenin, of course, had become an indefatigible opponent of Tsarism, after the Russian regime hanged his older brother in the late 1880s. Marx thought there was very little chance of a quick transition to communism in Russia, since the country was not very modern and had only a tiny industrial proletariate. But in 1917 the German military transported Lenin from Switzerland to Russia, in the hopes that he could cripple the Russian war effort -- which he did, by overthrowing the Provisional government

[On the Road]

81. Say What You Want,

the man knew how to play Monopoly:

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http://existentialcomics.com/comic/19

http://existentialcomics.com/comic/49

[craigmatic]

88. Communism works just on a small scale. Think the Native Americans before Europeans or most

tribal peoples. It's capitalism and fascism that really threaten our freedom today.