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Cyrano

(15,027 posts)
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 02:02 PM Jun 2016

So why aren't the Koch Bros. backing Trump?

The Koch Bros. are in the oil/gas business. The politicians they buy and own are those who back their various businesses.

Donald Trump doesn't give a rat's ass about the Koch Bros. or anyone else. If backing wind power, or any other new technology will help him, that's what he'll do. If oil and gas were still the only alternatives, Trump would be all for it. But even then, I don't think the Koch Bros. would back him.

And here's why: Trump will say and do anything, ANYTHING, that will get him elected. He doesn't care about the Koch Bros.'s interests, or anyone else's. He'll do, or say anything that pops into his head at the moment that he thinks will help him get votes. No one controls him and no one tells him what to say or do.

That makes him really unique among politicians. It also makes him dangerous. And if he were to become president, it would make him the most dangerous man in the world (nuclear codes, etc.).

So that's why the Koch Bros. aren't backing him. And neither is any other sane person, except for office-holding Republicans who only give a damn about holding power and getting reelected, even if they have to kiss the devil's ass.

Trump really doesn't care what anyone says or does, as long as there are enough imbeciles casting votes to put him in the White House.

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So why aren't the Koch Bros. backing Trump? (Original Post) Cyrano Jun 2016 OP
They're afraid he will destabilize the economy? Ohioblue22 Jun 2016 #1
he's an outlier. they cannot control him. spanone Jun 2016 #2
Word (n/t) PJMcK Jun 2016 #4
Koch Bros will have a better time of it controlling Hillary KansDem Jun 2016 #9
The Huffington Post has spent the past year Cyrano Jun 2016 #10
true of many sites Skittles Jun 2016 #23
purchasing power DustyJoe Jun 2016 #16
They're not backing him because he is not going to make it to November. tecelote Jun 2016 #3
Attila the Hun, Hannibal, Cyrano Jun 2016 #7
What makes you think I'm going to vote for him? tecelote Jun 2016 #12
I am of the opinion that its because they have seen that they only have to control Congress cstanleytech Jun 2016 #5
You lost it on your last statement. guillaumeb Jun 2016 #6
Can't disagree. I was lumping all that Cyrano Jun 2016 #8
They are greedy but they aren't stupid Doctor Jack Jun 2016 #11
They are more interested in mind and heart changing people other than the GOP base. The base has applegrove Jun 2016 #13
Trump's campaign is already in a frantic search for money, sufrommich Jun 2016 #14
Trump's "ten billion dollars" that he Cyrano Jun 2016 #17
Because they're too busy targeting Congressional, state, and local races; and ballot initiatives. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #15
For some reason it hasn't been the Democrats MO. Dustlawyer Jun 2016 #27
Couldn't agree more Cyrano Jun 2016 #29
Our voter registration drives need a fundraising component to pay for the I.D.'s and other Dustlawyer Jun 2016 #30
They're afraid he won't take orders like the rest of the hired help in the GOP Warpy Jun 2016 #18
An insane idiot leading the nation is bad for everyone, rich and poor? qdouble Jun 2016 #19
They can't control him... that's necessary for the oligarchic party within a party JCMach1 Jun 2016 #20
Considering they pretty much control the Republican Party how can one believe they would Todays_Illusion Jun 2016 #21
"It's dangerous when someone isn't controlled!" Shandris Jun 2016 #22
We're all controlled to one degree or another, Cyrano Jun 2016 #24
Why would they? They've got their DLC/Third Way candidate. Scuba Jun 2016 #25
Maybe because Ms. Yertle Jun 2016 #26
watch out though DonCoquixote Jun 2016 #28
Because it's tough being "the elite" in a radioactive rockpile. Frank Cannon Jun 2016 #31

spanone

(135,781 posts)
2. he's an outlier. they cannot control him.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 02:04 PM
Jun 2016
...that's my take.

they like bang for their buck....don would just take their buck.

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
9. Koch Bros will have a better time of it controlling Hillary
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 02:28 PM
Jun 2016
Hillary Rejects Koch Support — So Why’s She Taking Their Lobbyist Money?

Recently, billionaire Charles Koch gave a vague endorsement of Clinton, essentially expressing that she would be more favorable than any of the current Republican candidates. Koch told ABC News that, “It’s possible [Clinton could be better than another Republican next time around].”

The Kochs are oil tycoons and one of the biggest GOP backers; they have consistently pulled the strings in elections using their hundreds of millions. As the face of Big Oil, they have lobbied Congress incessantly to block climate change and clean energy legislation, largely successfully. They also currently possess almost $900 million they hope to use during the 2016 election.

The Kochs epitomize the systemic corruption in Washington of wealthy donors controlling politicians. If they believe Clinton is their best bet in the White House, this is not a positive sign for the former secretary of state who has been constantly battling claims that she is bought by corporate interests and big money.

Clinton immediately took to Twitter to disavow this half-hearted support from Koch, writing, “Not interested in endorsements from people who deny climate science and try to make it harder for people to vote.”

--more--
Huffington Post


The article concludes with: All this underscores a very significant point: Clinton, no matter her rhetoric, is a pro-corporate Democrat who has significant ties to Koch Industries executives and lobbyists, and has allowed Koch Industries members to influence the policies of Democrats for decades.

Cyrano

(15,027 posts)
10. The Huffington Post has spent the past year
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 02:31 PM
Jun 2016

spitting on Hillary every chance they get.

So as far as their quote, take it from whence it comes.

DustyJoe

(849 posts)
16. purchasing power
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 03:17 PM
Jun 2016
they like bang for their buck....don would just take their buck.


This is the most obvious answer. Large donations and backing from the mega backers like kochs, soros, gates, zuck etc etc all expect something from what they are giving. From business perkies to govt positions or jobs, they are seeing it as a purchase of power with their money. Trump has shown he isn't there to be bought and if they back him, he'll gladly take their money and give nothing in return. Politics, the religion of the almighty dollar.

Cyrano

(15,027 posts)
7. Attila the Hun, Hannibal,
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 02:20 PM
Jun 2016

Caligula, Hitler, Mussolini, and so many others were also "distractions."

If we underestimate Trump, and don't get out there and vote in overwhelming numbers, the "Trump phenomenon" will bite us in the ass.

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
12. What makes you think I'm going to vote for him?
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 02:34 PM
Jun 2016

The Republicans know he is a disaster and they find a way to replace him. Five months to go. Anything can happen and it will.

When they do, everyone will breath a sigh of relief and accept Romney (or...?) as the sane choice.

cstanleytech

(26,224 posts)
5. I am of the opinion that its because they have seen that they only have to control Congress
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 02:09 PM
Jun 2016

and as long as they keep it firmly under their thumb by arranging for financial support (aka bribing) for the Republicans to assist them in keeping their majority rule.
I mean why worry about who gets the office of president when you can just buy Congress and if you buy enough of it you get the power to override a presidential veto so how awesome is that?

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
6. You lost it on your last statement.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 02:17 PM
Jun 2016

The vast majority of his backers are not imbeciles. Some are racists, some are misogynists, but I feel that the majority are simply angry and confused. They know that the country is heading in the wrong direction but are incorrect as to why this is so.

Cyrano

(15,027 posts)
8. Can't disagree. I was lumping all that
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 02:27 PM
Jun 2016

you named under the name "imbeciles."

As far as the country "heading in the wrong direction," there have always been people who think so. I don't know what direction you want it headed, so I'll just leave it there.

Doctor Jack

(3,072 posts)
11. They are greedy but they aren't stupid
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 02:33 PM
Jun 2016

They know it would be a waste of millions of dollars backing a candidate that has no shot at winning. Trump would spend all of their money on hair glue and trying to reanimate the corpse of George Wallace so he can be his running mate.

applegrove

(118,462 posts)
13. They are more interested in mind and heart changing people other than the GOP base. The base has
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 02:39 PM
Jun 2016

captive to the right wing. They want to convert some democratic voters to better make the USA a more permanent right wing oligarchy. Why they are all over colleges and are going after Bernie's base with their bullshit.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
14. Trump's campaign is already in a frantic search for money,
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 02:43 PM
Jun 2016

denying him that money may be the GOP's stealth plan to deny him the presidency under their party name.

Cyrano

(15,027 posts)
17. Trump's "ten billion dollars" that he
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 03:17 PM
Jun 2016

claims to have should more than cover it.

Is it possible he's lying to us???

TwilightZone

(25,426 posts)
15. Because they're too busy targeting Congressional, state, and local races; and ballot initiatives.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 02:45 PM
Jun 2016

This is nothing new. It's been their MO for years.

Dustlawyer

(10,494 posts)
27. For some reason it hasn't been the Democrats MO.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 09:07 AM
Jun 2016

We need a 50 state strategy and voter registration drives. There are so many unregistered minority voters in Texas to turn it blue overnight, despite the severe gerrymandering.

Cyrano

(15,027 posts)
29. Couldn't agree more
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:41 AM
Jun 2016

The problem is that Texas, and all the other red states, have GOP leadership that pass laws to make it as hard as possible for Democratic voters to get to the polls.

Put another way, "Jim Crow" is alive and well in much of the country.

Republicans are a minority in America. They couldn't win a sack of shit fair and square. So they legislate "rules and regulations" that let them steal it.

At some point, this will end as the heritage of most Americans turns into the majority. Until then, we're stuck with having to put up with Republican theft.

Dustlawyer

(10,494 posts)
30. Our voter registration drives need a fundraising component to pay for the I.D.'s and other
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 08:33 AM
Jun 2016

hurdles to make sure each is registered. People who register voters must take a class through the county clerk's office (at least in my county, probably all), and follow the rules of registering all and being non-partisian in their registration efforts.

Warpy

(111,124 posts)
18. They're afraid he won't take orders like the rest of the hired help in the GOP
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 03:20 PM
Jun 2016

He's a loose cannon and scares the hell out of them. He could put the hex on their sweet deal of sitting in their spider web and pulling strings all across the country.

Unfortunately for the Kochs, it looks like people are getting sick of them even in their home state of Kansas.

It is my most fervent hope that the Koch family becomes like other inherited aristocrats in this country, successive generations becoming more indolent and dissolute, spending the money on parties instead of buying the government. And I hope Chuck and Dave live to see the beginning of that.

JCMach1

(27,553 posts)
20. They can't control him... that's necessary for the oligarchic party within a party
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 06:53 PM
Jun 2016

they have created for themselves.

Todays_Illusion

(1,209 posts)
21. Considering they pretty much control the Republican Party how can one believe they would
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 07:12 PM
Jun 2016

allow Trump to be in if they wanted him out? Have all of you forgotten how Donald Trump was Mr. Birther back in 2012 and I think there is plenty of evidence that Koch backed organizations heavily supported the Birther movement.

And how why? Trump's finances are not that stable nor is Trump worth $10 Billion. Financial support is not alwas about campaign contributions. It is also necessary to get news/media coverage and if they don't want you in the news you will not be covered it won't matter how much support you have as all of you

have seen from the Sanders Campaign.

Now remember the drive for the last 4 years, "both parties are the same" that is a push for one party. and that is what now exists, One party with an electable Presidential candidate.

 

Shandris

(3,447 posts)
22. "It's dangerous when someone isn't controlled!"
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 07:15 PM
Jun 2016

Is that seriously the takeaway you were going for? I have trouble believing that it was, hence my asking.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
28. watch out though
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 09:31 AM
Jun 2016

If Trump needs that proverbial "Last bt of fuel" to beat Hillary, they will give it to him.

Frank Cannon

(7,570 posts)
31. Because it's tough being "the elite" in a radioactive rockpile.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 08:39 AM
Jun 2016

People don't give a shit about what toilet paper to buy in Mad Max's world.

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