Just heard the shooter was licensed to carry as a security guard.

[lpbk2713]

I'm getting my info from a local Orlando TV station.

[StarTrombone]

1. He was also a registered democrat

And a muslim

Any connection there?

[onehandle]

4. Guns is the key word.

That's the root problem.

[jack_krass]

47. Nope, the root problem is hatred and desire to kill, the gun is

Just a tool he chose to carry out his murderous intention.

This crime could *not* have occured without the root problem (desire to kill people)

This crime *could* have occured without guns, and may have been worse, for example ifna bomb was used.

[TheCowsCameHome]

5. Says the guy with a fucking gun as an avatar.

[Orrex]

22. Wow. On DU for 2 months and already 4 hides.

Two of them in this very thread.

Hmm....

[WhiteTara]

6. They already found his voter registration card?

Interesting.

[uponit7771]

10. I don't believe that for a second

[WhiteTara]

11. that he's a democrat? Me either.

[uponit7771]

12. +1, I don't see how they just went after his VR card

[WhiteTara]

13. I think that is a smear from some right wing rag.

[uponit7771]

15. Ah, typical for them...

[WhiteTara]

18. although without any link, it may just be

coming from one posters imagination.

[HooptieWagon]

28. Media did a web search.

Gunman didn't have a criminal record, had a concealed weapon permit, and was registered to vote as a Democrat. Pretty common for reporters to look up all the background they can on a suspect.

[WhiteTara]

17. where's the link for this assertion?

throwing out crap like that without being able to substantiate it is not the DU way.

[Rex]

25. Wrong you got that information off of a private con website just like the cons have been doing.

So enjoy your stay.

[Iggo]

41. Got something against Democrats?

[onehandle]

2. Guns should be approved at a federal level, not a local level.

Time to crackdown on gun culture like we cracked down on the Confederate flag.

[linuxman]

14. Please take a civics class.

Middle school entry level will suffice.

[uponit7771]

16. The civics class's I did take said that weapons DESIGNED for killing a LOT of people efficiently....

... shouldn't be allowed in the hands of the avg citizens.

[linuxman]

19. Of course it did.

[uponit7771]

20. Good, we agree... bombs, mortars, wmds or ballistic weapons DESIGNED to kill a lot of people...

... shouldn't be allowed in the hands of the avg citizens

[linuxman]

23. Do you see any difference

In the mentioned area affect, indiscriminate, high explosive weaponry you mentioned, and a small caliber rifle which fires one bullet per pull of a trigger?

If not, I'm afraid we're too far apart on this to speak rationally. Been a gun guy my whole life, but I've never met a single person who advocated civilians posessing high explosives. It's a ridiculous strawman.

[uponit7771]

24. The design of the weapon IS to kill a lot of people efficiently... period... end of story

... that's a fact not in dispute.

Those weapons should NOT be allowed in the hands of the avg citizen

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

32. Please explain...

...what attribute(s) of this rifle:




...enables you to "kill a lot of people efficiently" which is(are) not present on this rifle:



Inquiring minds....

[uponit7771]

33. Magazine, ability to mod for automatic, Butt, fire more rounds faster etc etc...

[Calista241]

35. The picture he shows, doesn't reflect the magazine on the bottom weapon.

That weapon is designed to have a magazine attach right in front of the trigger assembly.

In addition, neither one of those weapons can easily be altered for automatic fire. I suppose you could do it, but you'd have to be a metalworking genius, and have access to parts that are very tightly regulated by the ATF.

[uponit7771]

37. Strawman, I didn't say easily...The ar-15 can be... modded with OTS parts for bump fire the second..

... not so much.

I also named other attributes which most folk who are appologizing for these weapons ignore...

whatever

[Calista241]

39. I counter your strawman accusation with my own strawman accusation.

[uponit7771]

40. which is? tia

[HooptieWagon]

36. They are both semiautomatics.

Both function the same. One looks scarey, therefore should be banned.

[uponit7771]

38. good try, we're not LIVs and the overt logical fallacies are boring and quite as its kept ban them..

.. both if they are DESIGNED to be used in a way to kill a lot of people efficiently

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

43. Don't get me wrong...

...this is an absolutely tragic and horrible crime. The people who commit these crimes are the one responsible. It leaves me hollow having some useless wretch destroy so many lives and then kill himself. There is no one to arrest or ask why or lock away and lose the key.

I get that when these miserably disgusting events happen, a common response is to look for causes and more people to hold responsible. IMO blaming the gun is just a distraction.

Both of those guns accept a magazine. AFAIK the Orlando dirt bag didn't use a full auto (modified or not) and they both fire at exactly the same rate. They both fire as fast as you can pull the trigger, one shot per pull.

Butt???

[uponit7771]

44. Good, ban them both or at least make it harder for avg citizen to have like a grenade

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

46. That's impractical and not an answer

[Ms. Yertle]

3. That is frightening n/t

[Blue_Tires]

9. Sort of similar to Zimmerman..

[lpbk2713]

21. That Orlando TV station just showed an aerial shot at a blood bank.

They were supposed to be closed today by the line outside waiting to donate was hundreds easily.

[roamer65]

26. He worked for a large security firm.

Gun control would have done nothing in this case. Even under a more restrictive system, he would have had access to significant weaponry.

Sounds like a failure of the federal background check system.

[Bucky]

27. The killer was on a watch list and had been interrogated earlier by the FBI.

Gun control might have stopped this atrocity.

[sarisataka]

29. If he passed security checks

Despite being on Bush's list and FBI questioning, what gun control would have worked?

[Duckhunter935]

31. Good question

[Duckhunter935]

30. And the FBI

Declined to pursue as they did not have the evidence. You know the innocent until proven guilty then. I know that is minor to some.

[HooptieWagon]

34. The watch list is a joke. I have several friends on it for no reason whatsoever.

And unless he was convicted of a crime or had a domestic abuse related restraining order, he was legally permitted to own guns.
If his wife or other family had pressed charges or gotten a restraining order, his guns would have been removed. But they didn't.

[Darb]

42. That's right, he was a good guy.

You know the rest.

[LeftyMom]

45. He had a regular concealed carry permit as well.

Florida. Sigh.