CNN: Shooter pledged allegiance to ISIL.

[Kang Colby]

I'm watching it on CNN now.

[One Black Sheep]

1. If true, that is definitive

Islamic terror attack.

[uponit7771]

15. +1

[Southerncomfy]

31. October surprise comes early - I know it sounds bad but it's true

[David__77]

35. Please elaborate on what you mean by "October surprise?"

I understand "October surprise" to mean "In American political jargon, an October surprise is a news event deliberately created or timed (or sometimes occurring spontaneously) to influence the outcome of an election, particularly one for the U.S. presidency."

Do you think that is what occurred?

[Southerncomfy]

42. NO I don't think it was planned. Rather the concept that something extraordinary occurs that can

sway the political discourse in some direction or the other.

In this case, I suspect the anti-Islam angle will play more than equality or gun control. As an example, Peter King is on here bloviating on all things Islam...

[David__77]

53. I get what you're saying.

And I can envision that the issue of Islam will gain a lot of prominence.

I am hopeful that politicians will fully acknowledge what occurred and the role of ideology and organizations in this action.

[Joe the Revelator]

2. This is a problem.

[Station to Station]

3. For the NRA and the Republicans

Why block a bill that stops people under suspicion of extremist activity from having access to firearms? What law-abiding gun owner does that hurt?

They need to have part-ownership of this one thrust upon them ASAP.

[linuxman]

5. Due process isn't a partisan issue.

[Station to Station]

7. What do you think of the fact that people eligible for

inclusion on the no-fly list cannot be stopped from buying guns? For the sake of consistency, do you think no-fly lists should be scrapped too?

[linuxman]

10. Yes, I do.

If someone is too dangerous to fly, why aren't they under arrest or at least charged?

If they aren't dangerous enough to be detained, why should they nor be allowed to move freely?

You shouldn't be able to abridge a person's rights without due process by placing them on a list that can be added to effortlessly, yet near impossible to remove yourself from.

It's Bushco. bullshit.

[leveymg]

51. No constitutional right to fly, but the 4th Amendment protects from preventative detention

That's why you can't lock everyone up on mere suspicion, but can create a No-Fly list on suspicion. To those who read 2A the wrong way, that also extends to the constitutional right to keep and bear arms. It's a bad dilemma, I agree.

[Travis_0004]

46. Ted Kennedy was on the no fly list

Was he a danger.

Of course, as a senator, one phone call got him off the list. I'm sure if it was me or you placed on the list in error it would not be so easy to get it fixed.

[Joe the Revelator]

8. Because in this case, that isn't the main issue. Radical religious idealism is the main issue in

this instance.

[Station to Station]

11. Well, so was Dylan Roof

ultimately, he was an extremist who purchased guns without a problem. Yet unlike this freak, he wasn't investigated. Common sense legislation after him, after San Bernardinho could have reduced the likelihood of this and future instances.

Of course, it might be that you're right. It might be that Trump & co receive a big boost from that angle and it might be necessary for Democrats to pivot to the right on Muslims in particular to avoid catastrophe in November, but I hope not.

[Joe the Revelator]

22. Sure, there are a lot of bad influences out there. Today we're talking about this guy....

and what influenced him.

[ileus]

30. Most people don't realize it's always the NRAs fault.

It's about time someone said it.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

41. Why not just detain or deport suspected terrorists?

[tenderfoot]

14. Especially for Florida

He stood his ground for ISIS.

[David__77]

38. I think it's a problem because people were killed.

Why do you consider that it's a problem, if different from that?

[Joe the Revelator]

40. I think its a problem because of that, I think its a problem because it shows wanna be...

home brewed jihadists that it's not all that difficult to inflect mass casualties with just a gun. i think its a problem because it speaks to the state of the world. There are a lot of problems today that most weren't thinking about yesterday.

[David__77]

52. I totally understand.

My boyfriend and I were just discussing how we had both thought, prior to this event, about how at attack on a gay bar here in our city could occur. I specifically thought that it wouldn't be so difficult.

[linuxman]

4. If true, certain DUers

Will bend over backwards and twist their selves into knots to explain why it really stands for

Intolerant

Secularists

Ignoring

Laws

[Dreamer Tatum]

9. What are the odds that someone who pledged to ISIL

...would kill 50+ people in a gay bar?

What a coincidence! But we have been assured by at least one prominent DUer that religion has nothing to do with this.

[linuxman]

12. Slim to none, surely!

I mean, isis loves the gay community! They take them to the tops of buildings and show them off to the whole city!

The delusion is strong here. Actually, no. These posters know they're full of shit. They just can't help but virtue signal.

[6chars]

27. it is worth recognizing the problem in order to combat it

even if it is an uncomfortable truth.

[linuxman]

50. Then they'd have to damage their ideological purity.

[Bensonhurst_braciole]

54. Seeing this post makes me think that I may have misread an earlier post of yours.

[Dreamer Tatum]

55. you did nt

[Bensonhurst_braciole]

59. LOL...well, sorry.

It's tough to distinguish here what's satire and what isn't sometimes. Some of these posts are really, really out there.

[romanic]

34. Were already seeing it.

Not even a mass hate crime and terrorist attack can break the hierarchy of oppressed peoples some use as gospel.

[Kurska]

6. Knew it EOM

[Odin2005]

13. A lot of DUers have egg on their face, now.

[uponit7771]

16. Even mre DUers like facts and not rumors and stereotypes based of names and half ass'd reporting

... with tons of yellow journalism.

Dylann Roof was a devout Christian, no one claimed his terrorism was related to Christianity in less than a day

[Odin2005]

17. Keep on spinning, you can end our need for fossil fuels.

[uponit7771]

18. No spin, just facts... I like those more than nasty ass'd stereotypes

[Odin2005]

19. I am not blaming all Muslims

I am blaming Islamist radicals, which are a small subset of Muslims the same way Dominionists like Ted Cruz are a small subset of Christians. I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST THE VAST MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS.

[uponit7771]

24. I don't get that from a lot of post, seems like they see a Muslim sounding names and ,,,

... said it was Islamist terrorism right away without much reporting on it.

I'd even like to see CNN's report established..

Up until CNN there was nothing itimating that Islam had anything to do with the shooting

Dylann Roof was a devout Christian, few went after his faith as a purpose for his murder

[Odin2005]

26. Your level of denial is sad.

[uponit7771]

29. I don't value bigoted thinking, I see facts and I'll adhere until then let the yellow'd journalism

... and the bigotry continue with outhers.

Not only what I'm saying is correct but its right

[Bluenorthwest]

23. Is that omlette on your chin a Denver or just plain cheese?

Your posts have been frightening on this subject. Just bone chilling. Also totally incorrect which makes your devout self certainty even more scary.

[uponit7771]

28. I'm starting to not value your opinion of my post, you seem like you want to fight vs listening...

... and what I'm saying is not only correct but its right.

Few reports of his religion having anything to do with his hate crime and Dylann Roof was a devout Christian and few reports of his religion having to do with his hate crime too.

You will think what you want

[Bluenorthwest]

76. I'm gay and you are defending those who murder us. I do not value your bullshit in the least.

It's disgusting what you see as the priority here.

[uponit7771]

77. This is false on its face

[uponit7771]

37. This is false on its face

[uponit7771]

44. The KKK!!!??!?!?!??!

[uponit7771]

61. Few thousand?! REALLY?!! WOW!! Hate history much? tia

[uponit7771]

66. That's not the premise of your post and world wide that's not true either. Of course you're going

... to quaify now

[uponit7771]

74. So has radical Christianity WORLD WIDE and on a large scale also, you not knowing this doesn't make

... it so either.

[uponit7771]

80. "Christanity has come a long way" - in whose book? tia

[linuxman]

58. What percentage of Christians are member of the KKK?

Now, what percentage of Muslims are ant-gay? Don't answer that. I'll do it for you.

https://www.google.com.af/search?q=pew+forum+religion+islam&client=tablet-android-samsung&prmd=inv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiF3e7NgaPNAhVDIMAKHSxaC60Q_AUIBygB&biw=800&bih=1280#imgrc=GclyT2uSXr1fqM%3A

Here's a clue: it directly overlaps with Sharia law support.

You should really wipe that egg of your face before it drys. You look silly.

[uponit7771]

62. "are"?!!? Goal post meet mover

[linuxman]

70. You are main no sense,

And I'm pretty sure you have no idea what "moving goal posts" means.

Again, what percentage of Christians belong to the KKK? Then tell me the percentage of Muslims opposed to gays based on the data I presented to you. I'll wait. I anticipate your nonsensical, dodging reply with great anticipation.

[uponit7771]

78. "you are main no sense" either and seem not to be listening at all. I'm not into talking past people

[linuxman]

81. I'm on a tablet with overzealous autocorrect. I think you know what I mean.

For someone not into talking past people, you sure are good at it.

[B2G]

65. Lol. What percentage of the African American community are Christian? nt

[uponit7771]

67. Who cares? your point? tia

[B2G]

68. I think you're just being purposely obtuse

You claim Christianity is a 'white supremacist' group because some KKK members were supposedly Christian.

Yet tens of millions of black Americans are DEVOUT Christians.

Better alert the NAACP and fill them in.

[uponit7771]

75. I did NOT claim what you said I did, you start of your retort with a strawman and then proceed in

... knocking it down.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

47. A devout Christian with a drug conviction?

What teaching was he acting upon when he attacked the devout Christians in the church?

[uponit7771]

69. A devout Muslim who mass murders? What teaching was the shooter acting upon when he attacked

... the people in the gay bar?

I'm not into bigoted one way thinking in any way

[Nuclear Unicorn]

72. I could show a teaching or several but it would probably earn me a hide.

However, homosexuals are routinely executed based on the teachings I dare not cite.

[uponit7771]

73. As it should seeing there could be teachings in any book that could be used to jusitfy bigotry of

.. religions or people or anything else.

We all have to check our thinking

[Kang Colby]

20. It's all over the news now. n/t

[nolabear]

21. Let's not conflate this with the idea of being sent by ISIL.

I don't know yet. No one does. But it's possible, and I think probable, that this is a hate filled man who has attached himself to an ideology to justify that hate and any actions he takes out of it.

But we'll see. For now I want those god DAMNED assault weapons banned.

[linuxman]

60. A distinction without a difference.

If anything, their ability to reach out and radicalized Americans is a bigger threat. The club goers are just as dead.

[suffragette]

63. + 1,000,000

[tavernier]

25. A nut is a nut.

He would have acted on his insanity with or without encouragement from other nuts, be they ISIL or the NRA.

[David__77]

48. I disagree with "a nut is a nut."

There are nut that live in their own nut universe and their nuttery is a matter of thought. Then there are nuts that take action that impacts others. I think that organizations can play a role in motivating nuts to move their nuttery from the realm of thought to that of action.

[ileus]

33. I'm still sticking to a Christian attacker, false flag event.

[Bonx]

36. Is this a bad joke ?

[KamaAina]

39. What the hell does "pledged allegiance to ISIL" mean?

That he watched a few ISIL videos on YouTube, like the San Bernardino shooters?

[Nye Bevan]

45. Declared that he agreed with their goals and methods?

It's not that complicated.

[Southerncomfy]

49. And Sharia law is violently against the LGBT community

[Dreamer Tatum]

56. Much the same as "had a confederate flag on his truck"

people have NO problem connecting that dot.