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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCan fundamentalist religion and liberal democracies co-exist?
I don't know.
ShrimpPoboy
(301 posts)As long as the fundamentals of that religion don't require violence or oppression.
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,867 posts)...
ShrimpPoboy
(301 posts)Hekate
(90,540 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)gordianot
(15,233 posts)linuxman
(2,337 posts)So no.
Hekate
(90,540 posts)....for political gain.
It's a big, big country. And being liberal means we can find room for just about everybody. "No religious test" goes both ways.
The caveat is that we don't let the narrower world-views take over the government and try to remake it in their personal god's image.
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,867 posts)If your fundamentalist interpretation of your religion requires you to convert others or murder them, they cannot co-exist.
Hekate
(90,540 posts)....not on ther personal beliefs about gods or the lack thereof. Just as secular law allows a person to accumulate guns and to believe that someone will take them all away, right up until the point their behavior changes and they try to overthrow the government. Then they discover limitations.
Secular laws are what we agree on in a democracy.
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,867 posts)But fundamentalists believe their religious law supersedes secular law. If your ideology convinces you to make laws that infringe on the rights of others there is no compatibility to be found.
Hekate
(90,540 posts)convents, communes, and so on. American history is littered with attempts at creating Utopia or the New Jerusalem. The Puritans came over to try it. The Quakers tried it. The Oneida community. Rajneesh. The early Mormons. The hippies, who thought they invented it.
Go for it. Just don't tell anyone they can't leave when they get sick of it, per secular law. And don't try to run my Constitutional government.
It's a big, big country.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)of fundamentalist religion as something like Islam. Whenever I see those words I think of our own homegrown rw religions. They have really screwed up our government since the 1980s when their followers started working against government and Democrats.
I don't think that it has to be limited to just religions that are foreign and jihadist. I think our own rwers do a very good job of destroying Democracy.
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(688 posts)ForgoTheConsequence
(4,867 posts)Maybe the answer is yes, fundamentalists can exist as an insular group.
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(688 posts)Borough Park is home to one of the largest Orthodox Jewish communities outside of Israel, with one of the largest concentrations of Jews in the United States, and Orthodox traditions rivaling many insular communities.
Zynx
(21,328 posts)We see that with our own theocrats. They aren't content to let other people live their lives. Liberal democracy only functions when people are willing to accept the way others live.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)n/t
TimeToEvolve
(303 posts)a liberal democracy is the product of our increasing enlightenment about our world and ourselves; which itself is the product of our evolution.
fundamentalist religions appeal to emotions rather than through argument and logic, which is why fundamentalist systems are often full of fervor and instability; they have completely abandoned rationality, i.e. the capacity to carry on in a rational manner.
so, no.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)ForgoTheConsequence
(4,867 posts)...
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)For hateful actions.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)And I say that as a guy who is on the conservative-liberal side of my religion.
There needs to be clear and firm separation.
dawg
(10,621 posts)To some of you, I might be considered a fundamentalist. I'm certainly not shy about my beliefs. But I'm also no threat to liberal democracy.
But if "fundamentalist" means theocrat, then, yes, there is an existential conflict between the two.
rockfordfile
(8,695 posts)I don't think so because Conservative religion is always trying to destroy liberal democracies.
kairos12
(12,841 posts)In an organized, democratic society certain rights must be extended to all regardless of any type of orientation or background. When one group is fundamentally opposed, to the point of violence, to the recognition of rights of another then you have societal breakdown.
cali
(114,904 posts)RKP5637
(67,086 posts)KansDem
(28,498 posts)Consider these three definitions--
religion--the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.
myth--a traditional story, especially one concerning the early history of a people or explaining some natural or social phenomenon, and typically involving supernatural beings or events.
superstition--excessively credulous belief in and reverence for supernatural beings.
Democracy depends on logic and reason and a well-informed public.
RKP5637
(67,086 posts)roamer65
(36,744 posts)Because their ultimate goal is a religious theocracy, which is inheritantly anti-democratic.