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hertopos

(833 posts)
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:37 PM Jun 2016

Mass shorting is a hate crime of the worst kind. RW wants to flame its as something international

Regardless of which side you support, I see confusion.

RE wants to flame it as something to do with international terrorism.
It may be possible his religious belief may pray some role. However, this is more like some Christian`s hate for LGBT community.

If we think too much of international connection, we will be sold with Trump meme.

Our focus should be on gun control. The similar crime may have been committed no matter what; however, the casualty could have been much lower if federal level gun control were in place.

Hertopos

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Mass shorting is a hate crime of the worst kind. RW wants to flame its as something international (Original Post) hertopos Jun 2016 OP
Yes. This is not an excuse for more war. tecelote Jun 2016 #1
I think both aspects will need to be addressed Station to Station Jun 2016 #2
"Hatred never ceases by hatred, snot Jun 2016 #14
Not discrimination but Station to Station Jun 2016 #15
There's no point in hiding that fact, if that's what it is, snot Jun 2016 #17
Apparently this guy was motivated by religion Abq_Sarah Jun 2016 #3
He was not Christian. He is muslim Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #4
It is a hate crime. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #5
+1 uponit7771 Jun 2016 #6
Regardless of his beliefs, Florida's gun laws made it easier for him to carry out his deed. tenderfoot Jun 2016 #7
it doesn't help to deceive ourselves 6chars Jun 2016 #8
The free pass given to religious bigots has got to be discussed and that's all there is to it. Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #9
My husband always says blondie58 Jun 2016 #10
shorting? Demonaut Jun 2016 #11
It is an international issue Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #12
When it comes to mass shootings, we're #1. Vinca Jun 2016 #13
It won't be long before it's a proven Christian false flag event. ileus Jun 2016 #16
2. I think both aspects will need to be addressed
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:44 PM
Jun 2016

it will probably be necessary for Democrats to use the radical Islam aspect as well as the NRA's refusal to stop those under suspicion from legally having access to whatever weapons they want.

snot

(10,520 posts)
14. "Hatred never ceases by hatred,
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:39 PM
Jun 2016

but by love alone is healed. That is an ancient and eternal law."
("Dhammapada," Ch. 1, the Twin Verses 5, as quoted by Maha Ghosananda)

I hope you don't mean that Dems should do or say anything that could be construed as supportive of discrimination against muslims (even if it would help get gun control passed).

15. Not discrimination but
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:41 PM
Jun 2016

don't be afraid to mention the fact that he was an an extremist who had pledged support to ISIL.

snot

(10,520 posts)
17. There's no point in hiding that fact, if that's what it is,
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:44 PM
Jun 2016

but I believe more harm than good would come from dwelling on it.

People aren't doing desperate, crazy things because guns are available, imho; they're doing them because they're desperate and feel alienated.

And as an ex-Du'er recently suggested, "all [fundamentalist] 'religions' are equally to blame for this homophobic massacre, but you know that it will just turn into an Islamophobic tirade instead of a real investigation of hate and guns."

Abq_Sarah

(2,883 posts)
3. Apparently this guy was motivated by religion
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:46 PM
Jun 2016

And it wasn't Christianity. He'd come up on the FBI's radar at least twice in the last 10 years.

6chars

(3,967 posts)
8. it doesn't help to deceive ourselves
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:56 PM
Jun 2016

it was a hate crime and it was enabled by gun availability and it was motivated by devotion to ISIS and to a general hate of gays that was likely based in the killer's religious views (which are presumably consistent with those of ISIS).

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
9. The free pass given to religious bigots has got to be discussed and that's all there is to it.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:03 PM
Jun 2016

It's time for the US to sever relations with nations that oppress LGBT. That has to happen now.

blondie58

(2,570 posts)
10. My husband always says
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:18 PM
Jun 2016

That if we didn't do anything after Sandy Hook, we Aren't Going to ever do Anything. The NRA weilds entirely too much power in this COuntry.
We Need to do what Australia did After a Mass shooting And Really Crack down on Gun violence.
This breaks my Heart. All of Those innocent People. Just out for a might of Fun. 😟

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
12. It is an international issue
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:20 PM
Jun 2016

and something should be done about ISIS. Diplomatically, militarily, whatever. This is just going to embolden folks who are influenced by them .

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