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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsGun apologists are swarming DU today.
Defending their right to Weapons Of Mass Destruction.
That's what the Second Amendment has accomplished.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)Careful. I think you may be building a straw man. I haven't seen that many.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)JonathanRackham
(1,604 posts)Laha
(407 posts)Usually keep my opinion to myself. But I've seen so many that I haven't been able to stop myself from arguing. I'm getting burned out just continuing to read.
CincyDem
(6,351 posts)Iggo
(47,549 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)PJMcK
(22,031 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)tenderfoot
(8,426 posts)They're online complaining about gun free zones.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Initech
(100,063 posts)TeddyR
(2,493 posts)Means what you think it means. If you want to ban guns then get enough votes to repeal the 2d Amendment and make it happen. A terrorist is responsible for this tragedy.
Iggo
(47,549 posts)America!
Fuck yeah!
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)While the AR-15 rifles often meet the artificial definition of "assault weapons", "assault weapons" and assault rifles are not the same thing. However, the term "assault weapon" was purposely chosen to cause confusion.
rockfordfile
(8,702 posts)They're essentially giving support for this terrible tragedy by no matter what happens.
beevul
(12,194 posts)That's what you call people who blame the shooter instead of the gun, because you blame the gun.
I can't say I've seen you or any of the other gun hating folks say much about the asshole that made decision on top of decision directly leading up to this shooting. I've seen more vitriol by far directed at everyone that didn't do it. The nra, gun culture, ad nauseum.
I also can't say that surprises me.
CincyDem
(6,351 posts)...in his hatred, instead of reaching for his handy-dandy easy access assault rifle, he had to reach for some else.
Like maybe a rock. I guess you think we'd be reading headlines about an attacker in Orlando killing 50 people with...a rock.
The shooter wouldn't be a "shooter" without the American infatuation with guns. Instead, he might only be a rock thrower. Still a hater but not a killer.
It doesn't surprise me that the NRA, the gun culture and the ad nauseum want to focus on the person rather than the guns. Then they don't have to admit that the magnitude of the destruction between a shooter and a rock thrower is solely because of their presence in the world.
beevul
(12,194 posts)Yeah, it definitely wouldn't have happened if we had gun laws like...france.
Are you proposing background checks on gasoline?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster
The shooter wouldn't be a "shooter" without the American infatuation with guns. Instead, he might only be a rock thrower. Still a hater but not a killer.
Just like the rock throwers in France, right? I guess that big bad nra went international huh?
That's good. It shouldn't. The person made the decision. I didn't make it. You didn't make it. The nra didn't make it. 'Gun culture' didn't make it.
CincyDem
(6,351 posts)Of course the "gun culture" didn't make it...they just enable it to become a massacre.
Thanks for pulling out all the NRA talking points in one place. Whenever I hear you guys say "France"...all I can think of it Dan Ackroyd from the Coneheads.
In the past 16 years, 155 people have died in mass killings in France(130 in a single terrorist attack).
In the past 16 years, 440 people have died in mass killings in the US.
When it comes to "canned responses", it sounds like you've already got your tweet from the NRA with the company line. I wish I were surprised but it's as expected.
Have a nice day.
jamzrockz
(1,333 posts)Last edited Sun Jun 12, 2016, 08:10 PM - Edit history (1)
The US has 7.5x as many people as France? just saying
CincyDem
(6,351 posts)Da fuk...now it all makes sense to me. I've been such a jerk to not join the cult of the NRA. How ever will I atone. Time for me to prostate myself at the altar of the gun manufacturers and their false equivalencies. Where do I sign up. Guns for everyone !!!
Cuz god f'ing knows we don't want to be like France.
7.5x...Da fuk...
Have a nice day.
jamzrockz
(1,333 posts)post a total number of mass shooting victims instead of a per capita one? If I didn't know any better, I would have thought that you were trying to use statistics to fool DU readers.
treestar
(82,383 posts)gun laws might not stop it all, but it could stop a lot of it.
beevul
(12,194 posts)The right question is: Do gun laws prevent it there at all?
ileus
(15,396 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)frazzled
(18,402 posts)We're right, they are wrong. They will never accept that. So I think the best thing is to state our positions, but refuse to listen to their excuses. There is NO excuse for these weapons. Putting aside any other issues that pertain to this tragedy--terrorist tactics and ideology, hatred and bigotry--the issue of guns remains an equal and critical issue.
We must remain steadfast on all fronts: solidarity with the LGBTQ community, resistance against terrorist ideologies and methods, AND the rational, essential need to enact gun laws at the federal level in this country.
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)Makes it a sickening experience to come here for information.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)B2G
(9,766 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)when the news broke.
ileus
(15,396 posts)We can't bash Islam without giving the GOPers a foothold on being right in their hate. GOP = Christians.
So we give Islam a pass and blame guns.
B2G
(9,766 posts)what is continually ignored here is the fact that one of our biggest group of supporters in the Dem party are African Americans...who take their Christian faith very seriously.
If the average black voter read some of these post bashing their religion, they would be mortified.
Makes the mind boggle, really.
Orrex
(63,203 posts)I'm tired of coddling the gun zealots who don't give a shit about tens of thousands of murders as long as their precious guns are safe.
catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)Hell I became a "gun zealot" when the US government took me and taught me to use an M-16...the AR15's meaner, full automatic older brother. I didn't notice a fucking person complaining then. Oh-and do you expect those millions of troops coming back from battlefields all around the world will give up packing a gun? If not are they also gun humping assholes?
Orrex
(63,203 posts)Since you decided to pull rank, here's how I'll answer: while you're serving in the military in a military capacity (i.e., not on leave and not in reserve on US soil) then you're welcome to wield whatever firearms the chain of command has deemed appropriate to the situation and setting. But when you're back in the civilian world, where there is no fucking need to own an AR-15, then I expect you to behave like a civilian.
Had you been an explosives expert during military life, I wouldn't give you the thumbs up to stockpile C-4 just because you feel like it.
If you feel the need to pack an AR-15 in civilian life, then perhaps it's best that you not have access to one.
Reply or don't, because I sure as hell won't see it.
Added to the normal nastiness I've come to expect, this just confirms what I already had suspected.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)hunter
(38,310 posts)Please explain.
Defending guns is disgusting on a day like this.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)and see what's there. It's not as the OP claims.
hunter
(38,310 posts)Rapid-fire gun fetishists are disgusting.
Every one of them is a potential terrorist.
Marengo
(3,477 posts)hunter
(38,310 posts)Marengo
(3,477 posts)As the term seems no have no firm definition.
hunter
(38,310 posts)Whatever guns you are defending, that's probably the sort I'm talking about.
My brother has my grandpa's bolt action deer rifle, but nobody in my family cares to hunt anymore.
Marengo
(3,477 posts)"Rapid-fire". It means something quite different to many. As has been demonstrated on DU, some think it's the ability to fire more than one round without a manual reload. Others seems to define that by how many rounds the magazine holds, or what mechanism loads a new cartridge into the chamber. so, within the perimeters of the widely varying definitions, who is a potential terrorist?
hunter
(38,310 posts)Some men talk about guns like other men talk about porn stars.
No thanks.
Marengo
(3,477 posts)Why not share it?
pintobean
(18,101 posts)with the fact that the OP is inaccurate.
hunter
(38,310 posts)Good thing I'm not shooting bullets, right?
Yep, I'm angry, and I'm disgusted by anyone who'd defend their own gun fetishes at a time like this.
Let them cower in their filthy caves.
Every one of them is a potential terrorist.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)and inability to stay on topic?
hunter
(38,310 posts)I have no idea what your topic is, you being so terse.
The second amendment as many interpret it is just as fucked up as "constitutional" slavery was.
The gun fucks will vote for Trump. There's no need to coddle them here.
Marengo
(3,477 posts)jmg257
(11,996 posts)AntiBank
(1,339 posts)When I see people willing to admit that a repeal of the 2nd Amendment would ignite a limited scale civil war from coast to coast and they accept the loss of life that will absolutely occur if the police state tries to confiscate hundreds of millions of firearms, well then we have a serious discussion.
The votes will never come for repeal. I also think something more limited DOES need to happpen. That said, nothing can stop all or even a majority of random and determined lone wolfs.
Angel Martin
(942 posts)we want to confiscate guns to prevent violence.
So we advocate an action that will lead to civil war and probably hundreds of thousands of deaths....
AntiBank
(1,339 posts)lancer78
(1,495 posts)like the AWB can be compared to Mastu***tion. It feels good but doesn't accomplish anything.
Laws like waiting periods for handguns and background checks ARE effective, and is why the murder rate has gone down 50% in the last couple decades.
liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)Same tired message, generated by the gun industry, touted by the NRA and regurgitated by the gun apologists.
How many more?
lancer78
(1,495 posts)you have the standard practice of the gun-grabbers, calling for gun bans and confiscation in clear violation of at least 2 of the Bill of Rights.
liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)Put that in perspective!
Gun nuts think it is a small sacrifice to kill thousands of innocent people each year so they can wave an AR-15 in the air and shout freedom.
How many have to die? How many?
lancer78
(1,495 posts)is remove the 2nd and 5th amendments. Shouldn't be that hard right? FYI I don't own any guns. Legally unable to do so because of past mental health issues.
Skittles
(153,149 posts)fucking COWARDS
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)There is no swarming of gun defenders on DU.
still_one
(92,136 posts)only purpose is to kill people
As far as other types of guns though, in responsible civilian hands, used for hunting and the like I see no problem, unless of course they go hunting with Dick Cheney
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)I am 100% OK with Obama's proposals on guns, what I am not OK with is all the posters here screaming "BAN ALL GUNS LIKE IN AUSTRALIA!!!"
SwankyXomb
(2,030 posts)Concern for the victims, and maybe preventing some of these incidents in the future, never enters into their cold, dead hearts.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Ignore those assholes.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)I never tell people if I'm gonna iggy them - except gun-nuts.
They need to know that I consider them to be human excrement.
Skittles
(153,149 posts)seriously
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I despise them!
Marengo
(3,477 posts)SCantiGOP
(13,869 posts)Reasonable people know that banning assault weapons is not going to threaten the right of a sane American to own a pistol, hunting rifle or shot gun.
Angel Martin
(942 posts)elected Democrats have on guns is the far left calling for confiscation when the elected politicians say they are not going to do that
lancer78
(1,495 posts)because some gun-grabber started in first. I will wager you a hundred bucks that if noone mentioned banning guns, no gun apologists would say anything.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)The Trump trolls are drooling for a bump in Trump's numbers, as if hate became more popular today! How perverse is that expectation?
Skittles
(153,149 posts)paranoid gun humpers react to fear
villager
(26,001 posts)...talk-point pushers...
JohnnyRingo
(18,624 posts)Nearly as many Democrats own guns as Republicans these days. They aren't mostly kooks or fetishists either, most have reasons to own one and don't plan to scrap it.
Proposing overreaching gun bans is political suicide for either party. That may frustrate some, but it's the real reason nothing is ever done.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)...and this gun owning liberal is all for reasonable steps to make it more difficult for people to own the types of weapons used to slaughter dozens of people as fast as one can pull the trigger. It's really kind of obvious, if a revolver is good enough for home defense, then nothing of greater capacity or rep-rate is needed for hunting.
JohnnyRingo
(18,624 posts)When I was young we had to go to a dealer to legally buy a gun. Now in Ohio we can go to a gun show and buy one from a private individual with no accountability. I imagine the gun dealers are with me that that loophole should be closed.
I believe there are limited uses for tactical firepower however, though I personally don't need or have any. If, for instance, I had to drive the perimeter of a ranch in BFE Montana mending fences and rounding up strays, I wouldn't mind having a high power semi auto in the gun rack of the truck.
People who say they need one because they might have to battle Seal Team 6 in a hypothetical revolution are delusional.
FLPanhandle
(7,107 posts)IMHO, both sets of apologists are wrong.
We can blame both Islam and Gun Laws.
ileus
(15,396 posts)Fuck the NRA.
Night Watchman
(743 posts)romanic
(2,841 posts)And that is not the case with me. I support the right to bear arms for protection; an assault rifle doesn't fall under protection though. It's an assault weapon with the purpose of killing off a number of insurgents in war, not to carrying around to protect. That's where the line should be drawn.
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)We put judges on the court who can read and understand what militia means. There is no individual right to carry.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)and this disgusting murderer had explosives that would have been used, even if he did not have guns.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,173 posts)....Omar Mateen's legally purchased AR-15 inflicted over 16 times more in terms of lethality.
Guns are still far and away the most efficient and effective way to inflict mass causalities.
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)How will you convince such people that disarming is a good idea right now?
Bettie
(16,089 posts)is this:
Had this been an accident, a fire or some other tragic accidental occurrence, there would be steps taken to reduce the chances of a similar incident.
Because this was a gun related incident, a mass murder, we can be certain that no steps will be taken, in fact, some state legislators will be tripping over each other to decrease regulations to ensure that it DOES happen over and over.
In an accident, tragic loss of life can mean greater safety for others.
In a mass shooting in the US, the tragic loss of life is doubly senseless because it will eventually lead to fewer regulations and more killing. People are barely even shocked by this anymore.
Johonny
(20,833 posts)The gun manufacturers will not be denied their money they make from the gun fear.