90,000 since Sandyhook??

[yuiyoshida]

Imagine it... Here is 80 thousand on a good sunday, 100 thousand seats availabe.

[Rex]

1. The Culture of Death is loved by way too many gun humpers.

So stats are meaningless to them. All they know is that someone, somewhere might take their Precious.

[yuiyoshida]

3. Yes but look...

That's a fucking huge amount of people. So much blood on the hands of gun manufacturers.

[Rex]

6. Get ready for all kinds of excuses...3...2...1

It is almost perverse watching people defend the Culture of Death and yet they will do so until blue in the face.

[yuiyoshida]

8. Didn't take them long Rex

did it?

[Rex]

10. Nope and notice they are trying to rationalize gun culture by saying those that killed themselves

is a technicality. Where is the compassion and empathy? Sad, really really sad. All to justify owning an assault weapon.

[Kang Colby]

2. 67% of those deaths you cite are suicide.

Stop promoting gun control via hyperbole.

[yuiyoshida]

5. Wrong King Kang

90,000 from mass shootings. Oh, and no one has mentioned gun control, wait...OOPSIE,..you did..

[oberliner]

14. No, you are wrong

That is the total number of gun deaths, not from mass shootings.

[yuiyoshida]

20. okay fine...STILL A BIG FUCKING STADIUM

isn't it?

[oberliner]

22. Yes, it's a lot of people and a depressing statistic

Just want to make sure we are using accurate numbers.

[yuiyoshida]

24. 90,000 dead...

Here is a stat for you: The average attendance of a Super Bowl game has been 77,987 over the past 47 games.

http://www.sportingcharts.com/articles/nfl/super-bowl-attendance-by-the-numbers.aspx

[Rex]

55. For people that pulled the trigger and ended a life? Yep, she is using accurate numbers.

As depressing as they are.

[Duckhunter935]

4. 2/3 are suicides

[yuiyoshida]

7. 90,000 is just a drop in the bucket for you

isn't it, Imagine EVERY fucking person in that stadium dead.

[Duckhunter935]

16. It is very sad

I think the same for the ones killed by drunk and distracted drivers. Funny how you guys are fine with that happening.

[yuiyoshida]

17. you are going to compare this to drunk drivers??

wow... lame.

[Duckhunter935]

21. So those victims are not just as dead?

Amazing you give a pass and are OK with drunk and distracted drivers that kill. Very sad indeed. I see you do not even bother to condem them, but attack me.

[yuiyoshida]

23. And how many of them are suicides?

applying as you say, that most of them are suicide?

[yallerdawg]

31. I don't drive an AR 15 to work each day.

The car gets us back and forth.

What does the AR 15 do for us?

[Duckhunter935]

33. I am more scared of your car

I know the numbers of murders caused by AR-15 rifles.

[yallerdawg]

37. 51 dead today - so far?

Be careful - your compassion and empathy might show. Or not.

[Duckhunter935]

39. I have empathy

As at least that many die daily in car crashes. You do not seem to have any empathy for them, sadly.

[yallerdawg]

42. You do understand...

manufacturer liability and government regulation, including licensing and on-the-spot background checks for possessing and operating a vehicle, make driving safer, much better than it used to be.

When was the last mass murder done using a vehicle, if you want to compare apples and oranges?

[Duckhunter935]

45. I do not need a license or background check to own a vehicle.

Cell phones and onboard infotainment systems have made vehicles much less safe for others. It's not mass murders, it is the daily deaths that happen and most here do not give a damn about them.

[Major Nikon]

44. We can't talk about deaths from gun violence unless all deaths from all other causes are stamped out

[Duckhunter935]

46. Oh we can talk about them

We just should not exclude others and pretend they do not happen.

[Major Nikon]

57. Who even brought them up?

Oh yeah, that would be you.

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[passiveporcupine]

49. What do you suggest we do?

Go back to horse and buggy?

[Duckhunter935]

50. I am waiting for self driving cars myself.

[passiveporcupine]

54. So you never ride in a vehicle, or drive one?

Do you think that would be practical for most people?

[Duckhunter935]

59. Oh I drive

And have a motorcycle. I take the risk.

[passiveporcupine]

60. No response to the second question

Do you think it is necessary to have a vehicle in America, considering it's size and lack of public transportation? Is it just as necessary to own a gun?

I guess I could walk to and from town to shop. I'm 66, disabled, and shopping round trip is 20 miles. Other than paying for a taxi (it's still a vehicle) it's my only way to get to town. I've have a few scares out here in the woods, living alone...some animal, some people, but my dogs always protected me. I've never needed a gun.

I sure do need a car.

90% of American households own a car. Why do you suppose that is? Only 1/3 of American households own a gun, and that number is declining. Seems they just aren't as necessary to our way of life as a vehicle.

[Zynx]

19. Ever considered that the suicide rate might be lower without guns?

Suicide is very easy with guns. Much easier than many other methods. This ease doubtlessly makes more happen.

[LiberalArkie]

27. People who try to commit suicide with poison or cutting there wrists etc, usually back out.

Damn hard to back out after pulling the trigger.

[Duckhunter935]

36. I just had a good friend hang himself last week

I don't blame the rope. He was military and these wars took a heavy toll on him and his marriage.

http://www.sunsetfuneralhomes.net/m/obituaries/Christopher-Weems-2/Memories

[Zynx]

40. I'm sorry for your loss. Suicides happen by other means, yes, but guns do make it easier.

It takes a shorter period of a broken will to carry out the action with guns. There is evidence to support that, controlling for broader societal issues, guns increase the suicide rate.

[Duckhunter935]

47. Thank you

Yes they can. And almost no law or regulations being proposed would prevent that.

[Odin2005]

61. So all hunters with depression should have our guns taken away?

[passiveporcupine]

48. Across states, more guns = more suicide

Using a validated proxy for firearm ownership rates, we analyzed the relationship between firearm availability and suicide across 50 states over a ten year period (1988-1997). After controlling for poverty and urbanization, for every age group, across the United States, people in states with many guns have elevated rates of suicide, particularly firearm suicide.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-ownership-and-use/

It's silly trying to compare this to other tragedies. We need to look at statistics to understand why there are so many gun deaths, and then try to reduce those numbers.

We already do something to try to reduce drunk drivers and distracted drivers. Laws that prohibit driving drunk without penalty, and also driving while distracted on cell phones, etc.

Where are the laws to prohibit suicide by gun, or any other kind of gun deaths? Sure, it's illegal to commit suicide. Do we put those bodies in jail?

Once you have a gun, a law isn't going to stop you, if you intend to use it to kill someone, even yourself.

the only way to prevent deaths by guns is to pass some common sense laws that keep some kinds of guns out of the hands of all people, and to keep all guns out of the hands of mentally ill people, or people determined to be a threat to other humans (like this guy who beat his ex-wife regularly until her father rescued her).

We need to eliminate the most deadly kinds of guns that are most often used in mass shootings. That won't end all deaths in mass shootings, but it might reduce the numbers of people killed, and in doing that, we make it look much less glamorous to those socially disturbed people who idolize previous mass shooters/killers. Like this guy did the Boston Bombers.

[Rex]

9. 210,000 injured by guns since then.

"The Newtown Foundation said more than 350 faith and gun violence prevention organisations in 39 states would hold events commemorating next week’s third anniversary of the Sandy Hook massacre. Since that atrocity, it estimates, more than 90,000 Americans have been shot and killed by guns; more than 210,000 have been shot and injured; and there have been more than 1,000 mass shooting incidents where four or more people have been shot at one time."

YET, we must never talk about the gun's role in all this...nope, never.

[yuiyoshida]

11. That's one huge stadium of dead bodies.

[Rex]

13. That is several wars combined!

I just don't know what it will take to wake up the average voter.

[craigmatic]

12. Interesting but the number seems kind of high to me.

[oberliner]

15. It is all gun deaths

Including suicides.

[yuiyoshida]

18. 90k

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/10/us-gun-control-vigil-three-years-and-90000-gun-deaths-since-sandy-hook-appetite-for-change-builds

[LiberalArkie]

28. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[alarimer]

25. To say nothing of the injured.

Who number much more than that. Those injuries can leave people with serious problems FOR LIFE. And the government is not allowed by law to even track this. We have no idea how much this costs, in terms of emergency services, hospital and follow-up care, or to insurance.

It is a complete travesty that the NRA has captured our government so completely.

[yuiyoshida]

26. And yet we can track the average attendance for the SUPERBOWL!

The average attendance of a Super Bowl game has been 77,987 over the past 47 games.
http://www.sportingcharts.com/articles/nfl/super-bowl-attendance-by-the-numbers.aspx

We have great priorities, don't we?

[yallerdawg]

32. We can track gun violence, too.

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/last-72-hours

[yuiyoshida]

35. I am sure some individual can

just like some individual super sports fan can quote you statistics. Or some lone ESPN broadcaster can announce stats to improve his broadcast ratings.

[Skittles]

29. GUN HUMPERS ARE THE BIGGEST COWARDS ON THE PLANET

AND YES, THAT INCLUDES BOTH THE NRA WORSHIPERS AND TERRORISTS

[Initech]

41. Agreed, the NRA is a terrorist organization.

And the Congress people in the house and Senate who are NRA A+ approved, they're terrorist enablers. Time to vote every single one of them out of office.

[brett_jv]

30. I did a calculation in an argument with someone ... that's 4.5 hrs of world oil consumption ...

I worked out all the numbers/conversions based on 75M bpd of petroleum and the stated spec that the stadium contains 104,000,000 Cu Ft. of volume and derived that the world at large burns a Jerry-World size amount of petroleum every 4.5 hours ... or over 5 Jerry-Worlds per day.

[Stonepounder]

34. Not to mention the fact that

in the aftermath of the Charleston shooting a year ago, Congress again extended the prohibition on the CDC studying the underlying cause of gun violence.

Now tell me that the Republican Party isn't in bed, bought and paid for like a cheap whore, with the NRA!

[yuiyoshida]

38. but, but, but but...up thread someone said..

any individual can do this by themselves with the help of the internet. We can't be having some government sticking its nose where it doesn't belong...

[Stonepounder]

58. Just to mention a few.

[link:http://action.npalliance.org/p/dia/action3/common/public/?action_KEY=15783&track=googlead&gclid=CNj0sP7so80CFZSCaQod8v4E8g|]

[link:http://www.pri.org/stories/2015-07-02/quietly-congress-extends-ban-cdc-research-gun-violence|]

[link:https://www.thetrace.org/2016/04/cdc-gun-violence-research-ban-doctors-for-america/|]

[link:http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/263404-house-dems-lose-fight-to-nix-gun-research-ban-in-budget|]

[Hekate]

43. KnR

[Wayburn]

51. Something must be done there is no other option.

[retrowire]

52. I'm not going to insult those who own guns or anything

but those of you looking at this number and shrugging that, "2/3rds are suicides" are missing the point.

Suicides are statistically higher to happen when someone has access to a gun. It makes the permanent decision all the more easier to choose.

Guns do this. Something has to be done.

[AirmensMom]

62. Exactly.

It's as if it's ok that 2/3 of 90,000 gun deaths are suicides. You know, as if we should ignore them completely. Even if you did that, we're talking 30,000 gun deaths that were not suicides. Both numbers are too high and both have to do with guns making it far too easy to kill someone.

[a la izquierda]

63. And people wonder if I'm afraid to go to Mexico...

The answer is I'm not.