Anderson Cooper interviewing witness who said the shooter said "there are 4 of us left,"

[JudyM]

meaning 4 shooters were there.

[JI7]

1. I'm not sure it has to mean the others were there

[RobertEarl]

6. Sure it does

There have been several reports of others there.

[LisaL]

8. Well, if there have been reports, then that must be it.

[RobertEarl]

13. How would cops know?

They weren't there when it happened and they didn't even go in for another 3 hours.

Eyewitness reports from real life humans on the scene, before the cops, have reported multiple shooters.

Why would anyone claim it wasn't true?

[LisaL]

16. There have been reports of multiple shooters in many other shootings.

But it turns out to be a single guy pretty much every time.

[RobertEarl]

18. Convenient, isn't it?

All nice and tidy. Case wrapped up, nothing to see, move on.

But this time, twitter may have let the cat out of the bag?

[ForgoTheConsequence]

27. What are you implying?

Are you some sort of 9/11 or Sandy Hook truther?

[RobertEarl]

30. Eh?

Your accusation is rude and disruptive. You should delete it and apologize.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

35. Yeah, no.

I asked a simple question and you refused to answer it. I'll try again, WHAT ARE YOU IMPLYING?

[RobertEarl]

37. Why so rude?

I am implying nothing more than what the post said.

I like the free flow of information unconstrained by those who cherish containment. Gosh, it is what paid journalists get paid to do. And authorities dislike that, don't they?

[ForgoTheConsequence]

38. You implied that there was a conspiracy.

If you're going to make absurd statements, at least have the courage to own up to them. Or, continue on with your "IM JUST ASKING QUESTIONS MAN" routine.

[RobertEarl]

40. So, you play a mind reader on DU?

That's rude.

You should delete your posts.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

41. I'm not going to delete my post, give it up.

You have a history of posting pseudoscience claptrap.


This statement from you: "But this time, twitter may have let the cat out of the bag?", implies that there was some sort of conspiracy. What were you implying? What "cat" was let out of the bag.

[RobertEarl]

42. Other reports

Twitter has a lot of reports from people on the ground. Police say one thing and what they said is not corroborated by others.

Even here on this thread are two sets of conflicting reports. You should read the whole thread and then delete your rude accusations.

Besides, you are getting way too personal.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

43. Again, what are you implying?

And don't send me any more threatening personal messages, discuss it here like a big boy.

What "cat was let out of the bag"? Why would anyone be lying about this? Your rhetoric sounds an awful lot like the conspiracy nonsense that came out after Sandy Hook.

[RobertEarl]

47. I'm done with you

Feel free to post my 'threatening' pm.

[HooptieWagon]

34. Cops went inside early on and exchanged shots with the gunman, then withdrew outside.

And if reports are true (it appears likely) that the shooter was a self-loathing closeted gay, then it's definately a lone wolf act.

[RobertEarl]

36. Heard the door cop shot back

But as far as others going in... that's news/

I hope the door cop is alright.

One report I read was that a consultant said it was not wise that the SWAT team waited so long.

Still, the multiple reports of several shooters stands,

[HooptieWagon]

44. I've only seen the story in bits and pieces, at intervals.

Initially, he exchanged shots with a cop outside working security. Apparently the cop was outside b/c he was chasing an underage person trying to get in on fake ID, and fled. After exchanging the initial round of shots, gunman went inside. Conflicting reports whether he was returning inside, or his initial entry. Backup cops arrived in a couple minutes, entered building and exchanged shots again, withdrew. Many more cops on scene now, I read 70. In communication with gunman, he indicated he had explosive devices, normally cops withdraw to safe distance. They didn't, but held off entering building to formulate a plan. Meanwhile, cops were helping club-goers escape. In one case by removing an A/C unit from wall and helping people out the hole. At about 3 hour point, gunman indicated he'd attavhed explosives to hostages and himself. An armored vehicle and explosive ram had recently arrived on scene, so cops decided to enter building. They blew a hole in wall, drove vehicle threw it, using it for cover. During confusion, more club-goers escaped through previously made holes. Gunman attempted to follow, cops killed him with dozens of bullets.
That's as near as I've been able to determine how it went down.

[RobertEarl]

46. OK

You state:
" Backup cops arrived in a couple minutes, entered building and exchanged shots again, withdrew. "

That would explain the 'several' shooters.

I have read a lot on Twitter #Orlandoshooting

And saw quite a few vids of personal reports from mainstream TV which conflict.

I am not posting all of the reports here, because, well, I get accused for not following the 'rules', heh.

[HooptieWagon]

52. There are a lot of conflicting reports.

It's been hard sorting them out. Yes, I think the story of multiple shooters was probably the 3 or 4 cops that entered the building and exchanged shots before withdrawing. I'm guessing (pure speculation here) that it was dark inside the club, loud music still playing, and people attempting to flee or hide, and the cops figured they'd be more likely to shoot an innocent person than the shooter. People who claim that one or more armed patrons can take down an active shooter in such a situation (or Aurora movie theatre) are completely delusional.

[RobertEarl]

55. Cops have it hard

But I think were I a cop. I would have hid out and waited for the right moment. But I am not a cop, so there is that.

Just staying inside would be a great advantage so that intelligence could be relayed. Again, this situation is not something that happens often, so I am not being critical, just sorting thru the reports.

Like what you posted here about entering and withdrawing, a new piece, to me, anyway.

[scscholar]

32. And the cops aren't even trying to look for them

It's safer to stop law-abiding people for speeding than it is to go after people with machine guns.

[malaise]

2. There was a video clip with shooting going on and someone saying

something about people shooting at people. I found it strange. One thing we know - truth will out.

[Shandris]

7. Yeah. Facebook was deleting a lot of comments from people who were claiming...

...to have been related to victims (survivors) who said there were three physically seen, and that two had escaped.

It's the only way this silly story of '100 people hung around while a single guy loaded and reloaded and reloaded a firearm without once realizing hey, we outnumber him 100 to 1' makes sense.

CLARITY EDIT: I am NOT claiming this is necessarily true. I'm only reporting what I saw on a post that had been lifted from Facebook talking about it, about the alleged deletions. Please understand this.

[malaise]

11. Truth will out

Trust me

[Takket]

3. probably just scare tactic to disuade people from trying to run.

[jberryhill]

29. It's absolutely astounding to me how many people think everything this madman said is true

[LisaL]

4. Four of us left doesn't necessarily mean that four shooters are there.

[JudyM]

14. The witness was questioned specifically about that and he felt the meaning was clear, in context.

He was actually talking with the shooter in the bathroom. The shooter told him he didn't have any problem with blacks (like the witness).

[jberryhill]

26. It doesn't make the statement true

Yes, the shooter may have said that.

No, it doesn't make the statement true.

The shooter was surrounded and outnumbered, and then claimed there were others there with him. You can't see why he would say that? Really?

[JudyM]

31. Um, yes. Of course. But there was no info at that point about being surrounded. The shooter was

speaking conversationally, calmly. Whatever, we will find out eventually.

[sufrommich]

5. There was a guy on MSNBC that had a friend who was in the

bathroom with the shooter who made the same claim.

[TwilightZone]

9. There are other ways to interpret that statement.

For one, it could mean that there are three more with similar plans.

[LisaL]

10. Yes, if he actually said that, he could have meant he is a member of the cell with 3 other members.

[jberryhill]

15. Or it could have simply been a tactical lie

To keep the hostages where they were and dissuade them from trying to overpower him.

It could mean anything.

[aikoaiko]

12. Eyewitness memory in high stress unique situations are often bizarre.

I don't know the truth, obviously, but I do know research shows that when events are extremely unique and extremely stressful, memories are horrible and reconstructed with nonevent data in order to make some sense of something where there is no blueprint for helping to remember.

[Doctor Jack]

49. You are correct

Nothing more to add other than you might have the best response to this thread

[roamer65]

17. I still wonder somehow if the guy apprehended in LA was somehow associated.

If so he would be #2. I have a hard time believing in coincidence. He worked in security as well.

In this day and age of the Internet, nearly anything is possible.

[AngryAmish]

19. Wherein I don the tinfoil.

I just doubt one dude can shoot 100 grown men. And the guy on TV saying he was Hodor blocking the exit.

We will learn the truth.

[RobertEarl]

20. Not tin-foil

It's called thinking and observation.

The police have not issued a report yet. Until then, all we have is what independent reports have stated.

[pinboy3niner]

22. The police have already confirmed there was only one shooter

Orlando Police ‏@OrlandoPolice · 14 hours ago

Alert: Rumors of multiple shooters are unfounded. The one shooter, Omar Mateen, is dead #OrlandoUnited

https://twitter.com/OrlandoPolice?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

[RobertEarl]

23. They must be pissed off

That citizens are claiming otherwise.

Cops weren't even inside for 3 hours. Lots of people left the building. And some of them said multiple shooters.

[RobertEarl]

25. Daily Mail reports

Police smashed hole in wall

Suspect crawled out through hole in wall.

SWAT team outside shot him.

Police chief says it is possible some of the hostages were shot by police.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/ushome/index.html

[DustyJoe]

21. easyto find out

They have the shooters guns, they have or will have a plethora of bullets removed from injured and dead from the club, they have empty brass casings. Will be a big job, but they can match the casings to the guns in evidence and the bullets to the guns in evidence.

[yeoman6987]

24. Great point

That is really a smart idea. I know they most likely collected all the shell casing and other evidence.

[Orrex]

60. That's a great answer, but...

I guarantee with 100% certainty that people will therefore claim that police are covering up evidence of additional shooters.

Because no massacre is so ghastly that a gaggle of ghouls won't fantasize that it's even worse.

[dlwickham]

28. interesting

I haven't heard anything along these lines yet

wouldn't surprise me in the least if there were others involved with this

Papa Psycho had ties to the Taliban, supposedly, and even if this was just a bunch of bigots shooting up a queer bar, I don't doubt that the shooter could have found others to help him

[BlueNoMatterWho]

39. ABC News interview with survivor that states there were multiple gunmen

[Jesus Malverde]

48. wow horrific...nt

[BlueNoMatterWho]

33. Police telling gay people in Orlando not to congregate

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017384959

[Jesus Malverde]

45. If you think of the logistics of killing 50 people wounding another 50...

It seems quite possible there was more than one shooter.

[RobertEarl]

50. Police were quoted as saying

They may have shot some of the victims.

One report states: Backup cops arrived in a couple minutes, entered building and exchanged shots again, withdrew.

Another report of similar came from the DailyMail.com article that quoted police chief.

[BlueNoMatterWho]

51. It seems to be a possibility according to eyewitness testimony

[MFM008]

56. This is true

but it also may be like those animals who puff up when threatened to make themselves bigger,
lie to gain bargaining benefits, scare victims. etc.
There must be inside cameras, as Malaise said , truth will come out.

[Jesus Malverde]

63. .

[Ken Burch]

53. In the country, or in that bar?

He could be telling the truth...but it's hard to know to what degree this guy was and is processing reality.

[Warpy]

54. Dunno, other witnesses said there was only one

The witness could easily have misheard in all the chaos and panic.

I hope so.

[jberryhill]

57. ...or the killer may have said it

The killer saying it, however, does not make it true.

Quite obviously, if you are trying to control and scare a lot of people, you don't say, "I'm the only one here."

[Orrex]

59. ^^That.

[Orrex]

58. I predict 72 hours before some tinfoil fuckhead claims this was a false flag operation

If it hasn't happened already.

[gollygee]

61. Oh I think you're being optimistic

It's got to be happening right now, and it's almost happening right in this thread.

[Orrex]

62. I'm afraid that you're correct

In the wake of any catastrophic man-made tragedy, we see two priorities again and again:

1. Protect the guns from any pesky regulations
2. Claim special knowledge that "the masses" don't have/can't comprehend

It's depressingly predictable.

[RobertEarl]

64. Any new news, anyone?