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agnostic102

(198 posts)
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 04:33 PM Jun 2016

What its like to live as a homosexual in a Muslim country - Personal experience

First i want to say that this was my experience till the age of 7-8 living in iran. I grew up and im now married to a lovely american women and i consider my self straight but still have sometimes erotic fantasies about men. Anyway that part is for another day.

My posts are generally geared towards islam muslims and living in iran. I left all religions in my late teens when i was living here in america. I do consider my self an agnostic.

The reason i wanted to write the post was because i see a lot of people having such a hard time understanding that this shooter who could potentially be gay could do such a thing. Have a dating gay app on your phone and then turn around and murder gay people?

The simplistic explanation i can give is just like how you hear these Conservative or christian fundamentalist preach against homosexuality and years later you find out there sleeping with the same sex. Except with muslims the guilt can be even more over bearing. Unlike most religions that speak out against gay people. In islam homosexuality is explicitly banned sharia and qualifies for automatic execution. In fact there are ways you are supposed to execute a gay man. For example dropping a wall on top of them. Sometimes you see the taliban do this.

I wrote in another post that the first hanging in iran i ever saw was of a young teen who was executed for being gay. Generally speaking there is a tremendous amount of homosexuality in muslim countries from the ages of 6 to about 18 or so. This isnt because genetically muslims are just more gay. Its because the males are strictly forbidden to touch, play with, and entract with girls at younger ages.

My story involved another young boy who lived on our street. When our parents were not home we would go to my house and play doctor. At 7 or so you dont have the mental capacity to understand all of it execept for the urges. Because we went to schools and classes that had all males. All our freinds that we played with were all males. And girls were considered dirty and had cooties (this i think at that age is universal) we were only exposed to other boys. I guess the best way to describe it is like gay or straight when your in jail for a long time with the same sex its only natural to engage in sexual behavior with them.

The guilty part was always the sense of deep deep hatred. Because from the very of youngest age the extreme anti homophobia is present. Not just with the larger islamic society but at home as well. The mosques you attend the mullahs or imams routinely speak out against homosexuality. Speak of killing gays and how they have to be put to death. This causes extreme anxiety for a young gay man anywhere (you even see it here in america) but its much more pronounced in islamic countries. You begin to have rage agianst not just your self but larger society. You want to lash out. Some just break down and admit it to there families. Depending where that happens (Pakistan, Afghanistan, some parts of iran) you basically never hear from them agian. Usually a honor killing. The females are usually strangled by the father or an uncle then rapped in a blanket or rug of some kind and buried with little fan fare. The boys are usually hanged if turned over to the public authoritarians or again the brothers uncles cousins will kill him usually by stabbing sometimes shooting if guns are accessible.

In some cases the killing is done by someone who himself is gay but because of extreme guilt and wanting to prove himself participates directly in the executions. In fact many suicide bombers that you generally never know or hear who they are etc.. take that "job" to cleanse themselves of there impurity and hope to gain a place in heaven. This is something that happens in groups like al quida and isis all the time. Because sexual repressiveness is so profound in Muslim culture. The islamic leaders understand this. I mean they cant execute every person who has feelings or urges to have sex. So sex slaves from wars and rapes ESPECIALLY of non muslim women happens without consequence. Because the sex slave is considered an infidel or kaffir. Muslims solders who are married can take sex slaves without technically committing adultery which again is punishable by death. In iran as you get older sexual feelings are less restrictive as long as you do it within the confines of islamic law. In iran for example you get whats called temporary marriages. There basically very short contracts to have sex without getting into trouble because during the time your having sex you are temperory married.

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What its like to live as a homosexual in a Muslim country - Personal experience (Original Post) agnostic102 Jun 2016 OP
The shooter agnostic102 Jun 2016 #1
thank you for this. Viva_La_Revolution Jun 2016 #2
Thanks for writing and helping explain- It makes Bacha bazi even clearer snooper2 Jun 2016 #3

agnostic102

(198 posts)
1. The shooter
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 04:41 PM
Jun 2016

Now many have questions regarding this shooter. He wasnt born in a muslim country.. he didnt have those same restriction did he? No but for young muslim men who are born into religous muslim families. The guilt can be just as strong. I promise you this shooters father was an extreme homophobic and anti semite. In house holds like hes, degradation of jews and gays are ingrained deeply. This shooter had tremoundouse amount of anger pent up. He could not control hes sexual urges so he probably had sex with gay men. Probably at a young age. But he was conflicted torn by these "sinful" acts and rage inside him that grew and grew. Hes pilgrim to saudi arabia and hes allegience to a god finally won over him over hes homsexuality. You will read reports of how he did this because of drones or obama killing osama bin laden or something like that. No those are all secondary. Hes main goal and reason was to shoot the demons inside him. By killing all those poeple he was killing the demons that had ravaged his mind body and soul and now he was free. Thats why he was laughing and happy because now he was free. Free to get into heaven, free of hes sin.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
3. Thanks for writing and helping explain- It makes Bacha bazi even clearer
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 04:59 PM
Jun 2016

Bacha bāzī (Persian: بچه بازی‎‎, literally "boy play"; from بچه bacha, "child", and بازی bāzī, "game&quot is a slang term in Afghanistan for a wide variety of activities that involve child sexual abuse and pederasty. The perpetrator is commonly called Bacha Baz (meaning "pedophile" in Persian). It may include to some extent child pornography, sexual slavery, and child prostitution in which prepubescent and adolescent boys are sold to wealthy or powerful men for entertainment and sexual activities.[1] Bacha bazi has existed throughout history,[2] and is currently reported in various parts of Afghanistan.[3][4][5][6][7] Force and coercion are a common component of this abuse, and security officials state they are unable to end it because many of the men involved in bacha bazi-related activities are powerful and well-armed warlords including former Northern Alliance commanders.[8][9][10]

During the Taliban's rule (1994-2001), bacha bazi officially carried the death penalty[11][12] but was rarely enforced. The practice of dancing boys is illegal under Afghan law, being "against both sharia law and the civil code",[13] but the laws are seldom enforced against powerful offenders and police have been reportedly complicit in related crimes.[14][15]

A controversy arose after allegations surfaced that US forces in Afghanistan after the Invasion of Afghanistan deliberately ignored Bacha Bazi.[16] The military denied this, instead claiming the abuse was largely the responsibility of the local Afghan government.[17]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacha_bazi

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