What is an assault weapon?

[Stinky The Clown]

Who the fuck CARES what an assault weapon is.

Here's how I see it. Guns that look nasty are generally in the assault weapon category. Or maybe more properly, assault weapons all look nasty.

How about this as a way to describe them and the psychosis* that makes some people covet them:

HARD ON GUNS

or maybe a bit more primly and properly:

ERECTION WEAPONS

Its all part of the sad gun culture. Ballistic nylon holsters. Hip clips (or whatever the fuck you call them). Cargo pants in camo patterns as weekend wear at the Little League field.

Nothing more than a shitload of false machismo that pathetic little people can wear as fashion.

Meanwhile, we all know the NRA is shucking you rubes and dupes for all you're worth. They whip you into a frenzy over the notion that the evil lefties want to grab yer guns. The reality is, they only care about selling more guns, not about YOU. Your role is turn over more and more cash for increasingly sexy phallic symbols.

What a sad commentary on uncaring corporate greed preying on simple people.

What is an assault weapon? Its any weapon you buy as the NRA assaults your bank account.

[backscatter712]

1. For regulation, I'd rather look at how much hot lead comes out the barrel, and how often.

Restrict the rate of fire for weapons available to civilians. And restrict the big calibers, with exemptions for hunting.

I don't care if gun owners want evil black looking Darth Vader guns. Cosmetics are irrelevant.

[Adsos Letter]

2. ^THIS^

It isn't about how they look, it's about what they can do.

[Just reading posts]

3. Restrict the "big" calibers? What exactly do you mean by that?

My home defense weapon of choice is a .45 ACP handgun. Is that too "big" for me to own?

[Duckhunter935]

5. Good round for home defense

[Darb]

38. Or killing a child.

Either one.

[Duckhunter935]

51. One reason weapons should be secured

Projectchildsafe.org is a great organization supported by firearms manufacturers. I hope you support their work for gun safety.

[Darb]

57. You are talking about children accidentally shooting themselves.

I am talking about shooting them on purpose, like happens here in the good ol USA. That caliber would work great, for an Adam Lanza type of kook. No need to restrict that.

[Duckhunter935]

63. Not really

As most guns that use that round are very low capacity due to the size of the bullet.

I see you dit comment in project childsafe.org, do you support them and the firearms manufacturers in this?

[hunter]

7. My cruise missile is bigger.

And I can load it with nuclear warheads.

Top that!

A .45 for home defense.

Gawd.

[Straw Man]

9. Do go on.

A .45 for home defense.

Gawd.

What would you suggest?

[Just reading posts]

15. Since you're deriding my choice, I eagerly await your recommendation as to the best weapon

with which to defend one's self.

[Darb]

39. Karate? Not being an asshole?

Compassion? Cooperation? Friends? Supporting sensible gun control? Door locks? A dog? Alarm system? Sensory lights?

How are those? Probably won't work for a scaredy though. Maybe for you.

[Major Nikon]

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[Marengo]

16. What round would you recommend?

[Duckhunter935]

24. So, what is the caliber you would recommend?

[ileus]

27. Sometimes old, fat, and slow gets the job done.

[pablo_marmol]

87. "A .45 for home defense."

Clearly you are media/Hollywood "educated". People survive hits with handgun ammo all of the time.

[pinboy3niner]

88. Non sequitur

Combat troops survive hits with military assault rifle ammo all the time, too.

I survived getting hit with AK fire. Does that mean these weapons, and semi-auto assault-style rifles, are ineffective and unreliable?

[pablo_marmol]

117. Didn't say/imply that......but of course you knew that. NT

[hunter]

91. That's why I use nerve gas.

Peace be with you.

[Duckhunter935]

4. What's a big caliber?

The ones AR15 rifles are chambered in?

[REP]

8. Which one ...

The .223 Remington/5.56×45mm, .300 Blackout, 7.62×39mm, 5.45×39mm, .45 ACP, 5.7×28mm, 6.5mm Grendel, 6.8mm Remington SPC, .50 Beowulf, .458 SOCOM...

[Straw Man]

12. So .223 Remington is a "big caliber"?

It's news to me ...

[Duckhunter935]

23. Exactly

People think the AR15 is such a big caliber and don't realize they can be chambered in a lot of differing calibers. One of the amazing features is all you have to do is change the upper receiver to change the caliber of the rifle.

[Darb]

40. Nomenclatural handjob alert.

[linuxman]

46. Again with the dicks.

It wold be funny if it weren't so weird.

[Darb]

50. Stop the wanking then.

Your move.

[Duckhunter935]

56. Wanking is healthy

Of course I do not look at firearms but naked ladies and my firearms would be locked in the safe.

[linuxman]

58. Seek help. Seriously.

[Darb]

60. No help needed,

I got five or six gun control opponents tied up right now. At least they are not on some other forum spewing their nonsense, helping terrorists keep the ability to easily acquire ARs.

[linuxman]

61. Sure. chief. Knock yourself out with the dickstavaganza.

I'm going to go donate some money in support of my position. You keep talking wieners.

Later.

[oneshooter]

72. Have you managed to get the blood off of your hands?

And properly secure your personal firearms?

[Duckhunter935]

53. They do seem to have some mental issues

And should seek some professional help

[Duckhunter935]

49. What, I don't understand

Is that supposed to be some little infantile insult or joke? If so, it was quite week and shows how childish people like you can be in my opinion. Enjoy your day

[Darb]

52. Allow me to explain.

Nomenclatural handjobs are actual tactics used by the Enerays when trying to obfuscate during a discussion about whether or not to allow terrorists or the mentally deranged to easily get their hands on a killing machine.

Surprised you didn't know it had a name, you guys use it all day long.

[beevul]

73. Thats anti-gun-splaining.

Nomenclatural handjobs are actual tactics used by the Enerays when trying to obfuscate during a discussion about whether or not to allow terrorists or the mentally deranged to easily get their hands on a killing machine.

No. The claim that someone did what you call a "Nomenclature handjob", is a tactic used by those who prefer to say nonfactual things, and don't like being called on it. It is hurled at anyone that attempts to correct such misinformation, regardless of how many guns they own, or what kind of guns they are.

And everyone including you, knows it.

[Angel Martin]

99. this should help

[Duckhunter935]

108. So true

[Straw Man]

95. If you don't want to talk about technical details ...

... then don't post any, especially if they're inaccurate.

A: "I think we should ban X, because it's too Y."
B: "But it isn't Y."
C: "Nomenclatural handjob! Nomenclatural handjob!"

If you'd educate yourself a little on this topic that is supposedly so important to you, you might be able to carry on a productive discussion about what you think policy should be and why you think so.

I've never seen a group of people so proud of their collective ignorance.

[Angel Martin]

98. this !

"One of the amazing features is all you have to do is change the upper receiver to change the caliber of the rifle."

the AR platform is to rifles what the small block chevy is to hod rodding.

Because there are so many of them, volumes are large, and there are many manufacturers and rifles and parts are cheap.

Also there are lots of specialized parts available, since the market is large. So you can make an AR into what you want, from a large caliber hunting weapon to a small bore varmit gun.

just like the small block chevy that can be everything from a tow truck motor to a nascar race motor.

[Duckhunter935]

101. Indeed so

[REP]

64. Well, it looks scary

I guess.

[Jerry442]

110. Chart's incomplete. What's the recommended ammo for humans? NT

[Straw Man]

111. I guess BassPro doesn't want you doing that.

It's their chart.

[Just reading posts]

112. .380 has the least muzzle energy of any generally recommended handgun cartridge.

Just about any centerfire rifle cartridge has enough oomph, as does any shotgun cartridge at least as powerful as a 20 Gauge.

You did ask.

[pablo_marmol]

21. "Restrict the rate of fire for weapons available to civilians."

Handled a long time ago. The main variable in rate of fire between one semi-auto rifle and another is the skill of the shooter.

Still hangin' on to that "gunz that spray bullets" myth?

[Darb]

47. So the terrorists just got to practice?

And then they'll be able to operate an AR like a champion unarmed civilian killer?

[pablo_marmol]

84. All heat, no light. "Argument" FAILURE. NT

[DustyJoe]

78. amputate 1 inch off gunowners trigger finger to slow it down n/t

[pablo_marmol]

85. Ah yes.....that "loving liberal" mindset that we've come to love.

The gun violence debate demonstrates that "liberals" can be every bit as ugly and willfully ignorant as followers of the GOP.

[Kelvin Mace]

77. Ban all handguns

Ban all semi-automatic/automatic weapons rifles.

Ban all weapons with greater than six shot capacity.

Ban any firearm under 30" in length.

One year grace period to turn them in for a tax credit.

Any "found weapons" (Granpa's old Webley in the attic) must be declared and turned over to police within 48 hours of discovery.

All surplus weapons that are so surrendered must be DESTROYED.

All firearms must be licensed and the license renewed every five years. Clean criminal record (including traffic violations, since if you can't be trusted with two tons of moving steel, you can't be trusted with a firearm).

"Accidentally" shooting yourself or someone else while handling/cleaning a firearm results in permanent revocation of your right to own a firearm. Failure to properly secure a firearm will also result in revocation.

All firearms must be chipped as a safety measure.

[oneshooter]

89. Since "Granpa's old Webley in the attic" is a six shot in an obsolete caliber

Why does it need to be destroyed?

[Kelvin Mace]

90. It's a handgun

All handguns and firearms less that 30" inches in length are banned.

You can have all the clip-fed, bolt-actions you like, plus pump and multi-barrel shotguns that don't load more than six shells. You can even have one of them big-ass .50 caliber rifles, as long as they have a bolt and cannot load more than six rounds at a time.

[Angel Martin]

100. the President does not agree with you

[Kelvin Mace]

105. And?

The president doesn't prosecute war criminals either.

[Matt_R]

123. Please add banned from military and police as well, and you got yourself a plan. n/t

[Travis_0004]

6. So you are saying you know nothing about guns, but want to write a law anyway

Diane Feinstein, is that you?

[linuxman]

10. Why is it always dicks with you people?

[Just reading posts]

17. Says much more about them than us, I would dare say.

[Duckhunter935]

26. It's all they have

Insults and sexual or penis references. And they wonder why they are not listened too.

[Darb]

41. Uhhh, point of clarification if I may......

it's dicks with you people.

[linuxman]

45. "UH, nuh uh. YOU!"

At least the level of discourse remains consistent.

[Darb]

48. I don't worship long objects that spew things.

Unlike many here.

[linuxman]

55. It's almost like you physically CAN'T

look at a gun and see anything but a dick. Brother, there's nothing I can do to help you with that.

It must pain you to put mustard on a sandwich.

[Darb]

59. Actually, I cannot look at

a gun humper and not think of a dick. Like every time I see Wayne LaPierre I see a raging, stiff dick.

[Crepuscular]

62. Relax

as long as idiots like him are the spokespersons for gun grabbers, their efforts are doomed for failure. The lack of substance, an aversion to facts and the kindergarten taunts and rhetoric that they employ is perfectly designed for crafting legislation that is dead on arrival.

[Duckhunter935]

102. Very true

[world wide wally]

11. If assault is against the law, why aren't assault weapons?

[Just reading posts]

14. Because there are situations in which assaulting someone is perfectly legal, such as self-defense.

[world wide wally]

18. Then assault isn't against the law?

I think if it is self defense, it isn't assault.
But an assault weapon is always an assault weapon.

[Just reading posts]

19. You can assault someone in the act of self defense, can you not?

as·sault

verb: make a physical attack on.

If someone breaks into your house, you may assault them in the defense of your life and home.

[ManiacJoe]

20. "Assault weapons" are legal

because the definition of "assault weapon" is all about the looks of the rifle, not the abilities of the rifle, not uses of rifle.

The phrase "assault weapon" was specifically chosen because it creates confusion in the unknowing masses.

[Duckhunter935]

28. Because they are an inanimate object

They can not assaults anyone without a person

[Adrahil]

69. Because "assault weapons" is a made up term. It really refers to guns that LOOK military.

For some reason folks have a hard time understanding that guns are machines, and in the end, machines do specific thing. We need to define what these machines DO that we find objectionable, not make up a scary sounding name and no one can adequately define.

Now someone will call me a name because I think we should actually know what the fuck we're talking about when we advocate public policy.

[Hekate]

13. KnR

[pablo_marmol]

22. "Who the fuck CARES what an assault weapon is."

Riiiiiiiiiight. Who the fuck cares about the verdict of empirical evidence and facts?

More like.......who the fuck cares about the opinions of those "media educated" arroganzas who have contempt for the truth?

[ileus]

25. You do realize the NRA doesn't sell guns....right?

[Hoyt]

29. They damn sure pave the way for sales by promoting lax gun laws, stand your ground and similar

gunner BS. Next time you get your NRA propaganda literature, take a close look at the crap they publish rather than slobbering over the tactical gun ads.

[ileus]

33. Beans...Beans....my favorite treat.

[Hoyt]

80. Don't need a gun in my pants to walk down the street. There are plenty of alternatives to gunz.

[ileus]

82. Never stuff a gun in your pants...

[Duckhunter935]

103. Correct, a proper holster is the only way

[ileus]

106. And for me that's OWB all the way.

I've found I can conceal most anything in a good leather pancake holster. Sometimes I do pocket carry my LCP in a pocket holster...but you'll never catch me going IWB.

Safety first, poking a hole in me or dropping a PSD never...

[Just reading posts]

113. Absolutely. And off body carry is never the way to go.

[beevul]

75. Calls for more gun control sold more guns than the nra ever could.

Calls for more gun control sold more guns than the nra ever could.

[Hoyt]

79. Did you run out to buy more to comfort you in hard times?

[beevul]

96. No, I haven't bought a gun in over ten years.

Neither of which are a refutation of the fact that calls for more gun control sold more guns than the nra ever could.

[backscatter712]

71. No, they are an association representing those that do. n/t

[pintobean]

30. Any weapon used during an assault?

[ileus]

34. Wrong....only guns are used in assault.

[Darb]

42. Good point, just the other day a......

guy killed twenty children with a spoon.

[Android3.14]

31. This is a silly OP

Language is important.

Defining the term "assault weapon" is as important as defining the term "rape".

[One_Life_To_Give]

32. Is Tactical Gear sexy?

Is a guy in Tactical Gear as sexy as a Guy in Fire Dept Turnout Gear?

If people thought Sexy was guys like Mr Rogers and Richard Simmons would guys wear Tactical Gear and Carry weapons looking like they belong on the battlefield? Perhaps if the perfect PinUp calendar for male sexuality was guys in Princess Dress taking their Neice to Frozen this wouldn't be such a problem.

Perhaps we need to consider that Gun Culture is a reflection of all of us, and to change it requires us to change.

[DCBob]

35. I think regulations should based on how rapid bullets can be fired.

Set some maximum limit.. anything over that is restricted to military, law enforcement, etc.

[metalbot]

36. The rate is actually an important aspect of self defense

There are two reasons for this:
1. Unlike in the movies, when you shoot someone, they don't generally just fall over and die. If they have a gun in their hands, and you shoot them, they are going to shoot at you unless you hit a critical CNS area, or you cause a massive, rapid drop in blood pressure.
2. Shooting under pressure is really, really hard. I've done a lot of competition shooting, and just the stress of competition drops my accuracy. Add to that the adrenaline of a real life self defense situation (I wake up and my daughter is screaming because there is someone in the house), and my ability to place a round in exactly one of the critical areas in (1) goes way down.

A much better case can be made for limiting the number of rounds that can come out.

We do at some level already restrict the fire rate - automatic weapons are limited to law enforcement and military (and a few other scenarios involving ATF tax stamps).

[DCBob]

37. Better yet a combination of rate and number of rounds.

[Darb]

43. Nice one Stinky, you identified many.

Not that it was a secret or anything. But gunnut nomenclature sure brings them out like flies on shit.

[Stinky The Clown]

67. Yup. Like flies on shit

Never ever fails. Never.

And sadly. They never change.

[Odin2005]

44. What willfully ignorant nonsense.

[jmg257]

54. "Who the fuck CARES what an assault weapon is."

Likely anyone trying to write or pass laws restricting them will care...or should.

And very sure all those who don't want "assault weapons" - whatever they turn out to be this time, being restricted will care.


So plenty of well-intentioned people will be happy to grasp with both hands for all those HARD ONs and ERECTIONS, righteous in their visions and condescending in their notions.

Happy until the next massacre when they realize the only dicks they were grabbing and stroking all along were their own, and they did nothing worthwhile.

[hunter]

66. Fascinating to see how they crap all over this thread like a flock of upset chickens.

I'm glad I don't have any imaginary "bad guy" friends always living in my head, the sort I might have to whip out my big gun and shoot some indefinite day, some indefinite circumstance.

I've interacted with many sorts of armed people, from cops to cowboys to sad little fourteen year olds who break into people's houses. I don't waste any mental energy on imaginary gunfights, I've witnessed a few real gunfights, and it's bangity-bang-bang and over before anyone knows what the hell just happened.

Self defense? What a pathetic fucking joke.

Bad guys shoot first.

Ronald Reagan was surrounded by well trained, well armed Secret Service men and he and Jim Brady and a Secret Service agent and a cop still got shot.

Piss on guns.

[Dem2]

68. Yep - a sexy gun is the same artificial penis that a sports car is to a man

I feel comfortable stating this as I own both. Though my guns are not the sexy kind, very ho-hum that sit locked up and I actually despise showing them to people. My ride on the other hand ... penis!



If all men could similarly laugh at themselves, we'd be a lot better off (clearly Mateen couldn't.)

[Paladin]

70. An "assault weapon" is whatever the NY Times says it is, on any given day.

Ted Nugent doesn't get to control the vocabulary, anymore.

[Rex]

74. Wow, well we now know what exactly pisses off gun humpers the most!

My my my...such revealing issues.

[pablo_marmol]

86. Doesn't piss us off at all.......wishful thinking on your part.

We just refuse to let lies go unchallenged, is all.

Glad you're able to amuse yourself. We'd be amused at the way that you undermine yourself if your tactics didn't undermine our ability to make true progressive changes in this country.

The "anti gunners" will never accept their share of responsibility for the paralysis that is dooming our nation.

[GOLGO 13]

76. Not taking mine.

[Kaleva]

81. A semi-auto long gun that can accept a detachable magazine

[cherokeeprogressive]

93. Oooh. I just bought one of those for my Wife.

It has a 10 round detachable magazine.

It has a scary looking scope on top.

It has a scary looking black synthetic stock.

And now...

The Rest of the Story:









It's her first gun; a .22 that will never be aimed at anything other than a paper target or plastic milk bottle filled with water. When she found out she could hit 10" paper plates from a hundred yards using my old 1930's era single-shot .22 with iron sights, she was hooked. When she found out she could get a .22 that would fire 10 shots before reloading AND had a scope, she said "Buy it". We'll pick it up Monday which is when the 10 day waiting period is over and the following Saturday she's convinced (and excited as hell) she will be able to hit stationary clay pigeons from the same distance.

Meets all the requirements of "assault weapon" though, don't it?

[Kaleva]

97. Yes it does.

[Angel Martin]

104. including this ?

semi auto hunting rifle, detachable box 4 round magazine

[Kaleva]

107. Yes

Because one can quickly change out magazines.

[Angel Martin]

109. that's ridiculous !

it's a hunting rifle, it has a 4 shot magazine which cannot be replaced with something bigger because there is a hinged plate on the rifle that holds the magazine in.

so a Browning Semi Auto II hunting rifle with it's 4 shot magazine goes on the "bad gun list" but an SKS with 10 round stripper clips is fine ?

[Just reading posts]

114. Shhh.....they don't know about stripper clips.

[Angel Martin]

115. given that they usually talk about "high capacity clips"

we may end up with legislation where the only ones banned are the SKS and the mauser broomhandle

[Just reading posts]

116. What I'm really surprised hasn't come up is rifle-caliber handguns with arm braces.

Post after post complaining that the Sig he used should be illegal because it's too short, and these have exploded in popularity on the market since the ATF ruled that arm braces are kosher:



As far as the law is concerned, that's a handgun in every respect, so overall length is a nonissue.

[Kaleva]

118. The SKS can accept detachable magazines.

[Angel Martin]

120. that's a conversion kit, that is not the way they are built

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SKS

[Kaleva]

121. And it takes about a minute to install the conversion kit

Something that can't be easily done with the Garand without extensive work. A semi-auto with an internal magazine that is fed with a stipper clip.

[ileus]

83. Anything can be an assault weapon.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

92. Anyone trying to introduce type-specific gun control needs to care. N.T.

[TipTok]

94. I was gonna poke fun..

... by suggesting scary and black but you beat me to it.

Wow..

[BootinUp]

119. Its F R E E D O M apparently. That's how much fear there is in America today. nt

[hunter]

122. Yep, they are still circle jerking about their guns.

Nothing like a mass murder to get them all worked up hot and bothered.



Gun love is disgusting.

Piss on guns.