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Old Codger

(4,205 posts)
2. All things considered
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 11:13 AM
Jun 2016

If they actually had a decent candidate there the choice would probably be a lot different...

rurallib

(62,406 posts)
8. Who in their whole party would that be I wonder
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 12:19 PM
Jun 2016

During the past year we have tried to figure out who, anywhere in that party, would be a decent candidate. Could not come up with one that didn't have some major baggage.

 

Old Codger

(4,205 posts)
11. Well
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 12:37 PM
Jun 2016

I am not sure, first e would need to define "decent" that might apply to a repug, thatin itself is not easy but on their terms and outlook atilla the hun would be somewhere on their chart..I would think maybe John Huntsman, or someone like that.. I have not paid a lot of attention to repugs overall except where they have been forced on me. I don't do TV so maybe missed something somewhere...But I am sure there are a multitude of better candidates than that bunch, could probably find one in a grade school 3rd grade somewhere

rurallib

(62,406 posts)
14. Kasich was about as close as we could figure
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 12:44 PM
Jun 2016

We thought Snyder from Michigan at one point but then Flint came out.

 

Old Codger

(4,205 posts)
16. not
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 01:24 PM
Jun 2016

I doubt they would try anyone that has been in the hunt and lost to him already,they need someone who has experience and some recognition factors but cleaner than the others in most respects ...I am sure they have some governor that would love the chance and has no real baggage..

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
4. Cruz is a crazy dominionist
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 11:35 AM
Jun 2016

He's right at the level of Rick Santorum. You can't even register the batshit, and I'm probably insulting batshit. I'm pretty sure there are shit house rats with a higher level of sanity.

Stinky The Clown

(67,792 posts)
5. While I disagree on virtually every issue, Lindsey Graham is at least . . . . .
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 11:44 AM
Jun 2016

. . . . . a serious person concerned with serious things and in possession of serious experience.

Yes, that was a very weak field.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
7. Mindlessness is purported to be easier than thinking by the mindless. This shows it's accurate.
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 12:11 PM
Jun 2016

The important thing to remember here is that there is no thinking going on. Just reflexively following what the propagandists feed their brains. Thus, there will be no shift.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
13. exactly! time to dust this one off again:
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 12:39 PM
Jun 2016
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2005/02/stephen-bender/karl-rove-the-spectre-of-freudsnephew/

by Stephen Bender

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country… We are governed, our minds molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized… "

So opens Propaganda (1928), one of several strikingly frank analyses of western social psychology written by Edward Bernays. This nephew of Sigmund Freud founded the public relations industry in the United States.

..... He first got involved in high stakes politics when he "warmed up" the dour Calvin Coolidge by arranging the first presidential celebrity photo op in 1928. For the private sector, Bernays engineered a most notorious publicity stunt for the American Tobacco Company, by single-handedly neutralizing the taboo against women smoking in public. He organized a "Torches of Freedom" march down Broadway by ten smoking debutantes during the 1929 Easter Parade. With the help of feminists – some of whom understood the "right to smoke" as libratory – Bernays expertly publicized this spectacle, thus setting in motion the expected stir on op-ed pages across the land.

......................

In our era, President Reagan employed new media management techniques that built upon the foundation laid by Bernays. The "great communicator" employed a cadre of shrewd "spin doctors," prominent among them Michael Deaver and David Gergen, who would go on to also work for Bill Clinton. Gergen was soon enough displaced by another bipartisan operator, a former consultant to Jessie Helms, named Dick Morris. He successfully "triangulated" Clinton, "the man from Hope" who "felt our pain," into a second term......

In Crystallizing Public Opinion, Bernays related how governments and advertisers can "regiment the mind like the military regiments the body." This discipline can be imposed because of "the natural inherent flexibility of individual human nature." He also instructed that the "average citizen is the world's most efficient censor. His own mind is the greatest barrier between him and the facts. His own 'logic proof compartments,' his own absolutism are the obstacles which prevent him from seeing in terms of experience and thought rather than in terms of group reaction."

In addition to what Bernays saw as a widespread individual resistance to reason in public affairs, he contended "physical loneliness is a real terror to the gregarious animal, and that association with the herd causes a feeling of security. In man this fear of loneliness creates a desire for identification with the herd in matters of opinion."

Once within the "herd," the "gregarious animal" still wishes to express his or her opinion. Therefore, the public relations counsel must "appeal to individualism [which] goes closely in hand with other instincts, such as self-display."

rurallib

(62,406 posts)
9. Another thing that graph indicates is that if there is a move to replace Trump
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 12:20 PM
Jun 2016

at the convention, there will be an out and out fight.

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
17. Well when you are inevitably
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 05:09 PM
Jun 2016

selected you don't have to worry about free elections, or millions of angry constituents, investigations, a poor record, or polls. I think the lack of concern for the electoral process and all of this evidence is a red flag.

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