NRA Top guy, Chris Cox, refused to answer Re: assault weapons

[Equinox Moon]

On ABC news this morning's interview, NRA guy was asked a couple times, 'Why do people need to have military style assault weapons?" He just kept side stepping and would not answer it. Then he made an outrageously absurd comment,

"We have a God given right to defend ourselves with firearms"

Unbelievable!

[CincyDem]

1. From what God ?

If there's a God that wants this kind of death tool in the hands of every tom,dick and harry with a grudge...well f*ck him.

What's his book ? Bible, Torah, Koran...or is it the NRA Handbook.

What an asshat.

[Equinox Moon]

9. It was a very odd statement to claim God wants assault weapons

Hmmmmm... sounds like something another group of religious radials would say.

[pipoman]

2. The simple answer is that the Bill of Rights hasn't a thing to do with "need"...

[EL34x4]

17. Why does one need a Porsche? A full-sized Ford F350?

A 5000 square foot home?

We can play this game all day long.

[beevul]

23. Those ford trucks are military grade you know...

[Just reading posts]

25. Assault trucks!

[cherokeeprogressive]

54. WTF? What do needs have to do with rights?

Game? Take your ball and go play somewhere else.

[Logical]

60. Fucking silly statement. LOL, wow. nt

[Waldorf]

3. They aren't military style assault weapons. Those weapons have select fire fire-control

systems (semi-automatic, burst, automatic). What is available to the people only come with a semi-automatic fire control system.

[Lochloosa]

5. Really? That is all you got? Fucking unbelievable

[Waldorf]

7. Yep, all I got. If people want to talk about an item shouldn't it be

referred to correctly?

[Lochloosa]

13. So what is the correct term?

What part a "style" don't you get? These style of guns are designed to kill people. Period.

Fast and efficiently.

[beevul]

24. Thats your opinion.

These style of guns are designed to kill people. Period.

Fast and efficiently.

Thats your opinion. Reality is otherwise.

[jpak]

36. We have seen bloody reality all too often in the country

yup

[cherokeeprogressive]

65. My Wife owns a semi-auto rifle that has a synthetic stock, scope, and detachable magazine.

Does that match your "style" of assault weapons?

[treestar]

52. OK. I say we all learn these things so we can end this

type of distraction away from the issue about the harm they cause.

[Equinox Moon]

8. I think that poster is a gun/NRA fan

Not a position the democratic party holds so, it is out of lines here on DU.

[Waldorf]

11. This is he Democratic Party platform regarding firearms.

We recognize that the individual right to bear arms is an important part of the American tradition, and we will preserve Americans' Second Amendment right to own and use firearms. We believe that the right to own firearms is subject to reasonable regulation. We understand the terrible consequences of gun violence; it serves as a reminder that life is fragile, and our time here is limited and precious. We believe in an honest, open national conversation about firearms. We can focus on effective enforcement of existing laws, especially strengthening our background check system, and we can work together to enact commonsense improvements--like reinstating the assault weapons ban and closing the gun show loophole--so that guns do not fall into the hands of those irresponsible, law-breaking few.

[jpak]

14. Yeah - the one that advocates "reinstating the ASSAULT WEAPONS ban"

doh

[SwankyXomb]

55. I am more convinced every day

that the Ted DUgents here will be happily voting for Trump in November.

[friendly_iconoclast]

80. Bullshit. n/t

[Duckhunter935]

86. Care to name some

Bet you don't. Typical to put it out there without any evidence. Most people would just apologize to DU members for that bullshit insult.

[Duckhunter935]

33. Name one military that use them then

I have also heard it was chambered in 300 blackout, that is not a military specification round.

[Just reading posts]

40. While I was aware that the Sig MCX is available in .300 Blackout, that the first time I've heard

that the rifle the murderer used was chambered for that, rather than 5.56. Do you have a link?

[Duckhunter935]

45. Heard it on the news

But you know how accurate they tend to be. I should have added a disclaimer

[Just reading posts]

47. Yeah, mainstream news isn't known for getting much right when it comes to firearms.

Whoever wrote the story probably found a link that said the rifle was originally designed for .300 Blackout, and presumed they all were.

[Paladin]

10. You don't get to control the vocabulary anymore.

Your little check-off list for assault rifle features doesn't count for jack shit, these days. Particularly in a Democratic forum.

[jpak]

16. Yup - from now on I will use "assault guns" and "clips"

and watch them chase their tails

[jpak]

12. Lame - really fucking lame

yup

[Waldorf]

15. Thats nothing compared to what law-abiding gun owners have been called this week.

[jpak]

18. Selfish mean-spirited gun "enthusiasts" that put their "hobby" above public safety?

Who value their guns more than the lives of their fellow citizens?

Those assholes?

[beevul]

27. No more selfish than those who push measures known to have no effect...

No more selfish than those who push measures known to have no effect on the very events they use as justification for the push...because gunz.


Yup.

[jpak]

31. Those "measures" worked in Australia and in other countries

Where gun violence in general, and mass gun murders specifically, are extremely rare.

Stop with the lame NRA points - lol.

yup

[Duckhunter935]

34. They were prior to that also.

Different culture

[jpak]

38. So you are saying that 'Merican Gun Death Kulture is singularly violent?

if so, then 'Merican Gun Culture cannot be entrusted with assault guns and high capacity clips.

yup

[Duckhunter935]

39. American culture is part

We are also much more populous and have many other things in our past such as racism, drug gangs, and abortion fights. Of course most firearms deaths are suicides by handguns. Scary black semi-automatic rifles are the least used in firearms murders.

[jpak]

82. Yeah - the victims and the victim's families in Orlando and Aurora and Sandy Hook and etc.

understand that they sacrificed their lives for Gun Freedumb

a small price to pay for the Gun Kult "Hobby"

yup

[Duckhunter935]

84. I am sure you feel the same for the tens of thousands

Killed by alcohol, right.

[Hoyt]

26. Let's be honest, any self-respecting gun lover knows about "bump firing" and conversions.

Fact is, without conversion or bump firing, semi-auto rifles are still extremely deadly -- but of course, why else would they be so popular among gun fanciers.

Note to first video: In past, that video has been alerted on because of the individual being over weight. Sorry, gun alerters, that is the best 8 second video to demonstrate just how much obfuscation gunners use to protect their "right" to acquire more lethal weapons. There are other video, but you have to watch a couple of minutes before getting to the point.

[jpak]

32. My favorite

[Hoyt]

42. LOL. What's worse, if that were a real confrontation -- as unlikely as it is -- that guy might have

shot innocent bystanders.

[Orrex]

74. I've watched that many times.

It may be the best clip on the entire internets.

[Just reading posts]

41. I'm curious, how many crimes have been comitted using a bump fire equipped rifle?

[Hoyt]

43. Point is, semi-autos are plenty deadly and you gunners' attempts to hide that fact are BS.

Plus, it is hard to deny that a lot of gunners are arming up for disasters, urban warfare and similar paranoid delusions. Heck, I've seen threads in the Gungeon here about the best weapon to use when people are fleeing from a hurricane.

As to the number, who knows -- gunners have done everything they can to impede studies on guns.

[Just reading posts]

46. So how many crimes have been comitted using a bump fire equipped rifle?

As to the number, who knows -- gunners have done everything they can to impede studies on guns.

Please. Gun control organizations would be screaming about it if these were being used.

Could it be that the answer is "none"?

[Hoyt]

48. Semi-autos are deadly -- gun control organization should be screaming about that. And, they can be

converted to be even more deadly. No need to scream about that, if we eliminate the semi-auto.

[Just reading posts]

50. So if bump firing isn't the issue, why complain about it?

As for banning all semi-autos, even gun control organizations such as the VPC aren't calling for that, are they?

Oh, I don't doubt for a moment that they'd like to see them banned....but they surely recognize that calling for the confiscation of half (or more) of the guns in America isn't remotely realistic.

[friendly_iconoclast]

81. Your interlocutor believes his aesthetic judgements should be encoded into law,...

...and he's not the only one.

[Duckhunter935]

51. So once again you can't answer a simple question

I am so not surprised

[Hoyt]

53. Once again, you are just protecting your precious gunz, no matter how many get killed.

[Duckhunter935]

56. Yep, now comes the insults. Right on schedule

Next will be the penis jokes and sexual references.

I did notice you did not answer the question. Are you scared to?

[Just reading posts]

63. It's all they have.

[Duckhunter935]

66. Sad to say, yes

[muriel_volestrangler]

77. Jury results:

On Sun Jun 19, 2016, 01:21 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Once again, you are just protecting your precious gunz, no matter how many get killed.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7931954

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Personal insult. There's no need for this.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Jun 19, 2016, 01:33 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The NRA doesn't run this site
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: don't see it as a personal insult but as a statement of the poster's stand on gun regulation.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: 'no matter how many get killed' seems a reasonable comment, to me. After all, we just had a new record for people killed by a crazed gunman, and yet, here are the DUers defending their guns. We do not yet know the number of victims at which the defense of guns will stop.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Is it too much to expect people to engage in an actual discussion instead of this junior high playground stuff?
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

[Just reading posts]

29. There you go, injecting a little reality into an emotion-driven discussion.

What were you thinking?

[jmg257]

78. Right - they are just "assault weapons", or "assault type weapons" per Gun Digest,

or even "semi-automatic assault rifles", per the Treasury Dept.




Military style assault weapons covers it pretty well. Much better then "assault rifle", at the least.

[dumbcat]

4. Chris Cox is not the NRA Top Guy

just for accuracy.

[Equinox Moon]

6. I guess they said he was their top lobbyist, I stand corrected

[pinboy3niner]

19. Yeah. The NRA's top guy is Jesus.

[NutmegYankee]

20. The question I never see answered: Just what do you need an assault weapon to defend against?

A handgun or shotgun will handle the home defense just fine, and a bolt action or internal magazine semi-auto rifle does just fine for hunting and chasing off any predator that decides to attack you (like Coywolf, etc).

[EL34x4]

21. Why do you need a Porsche with a top speed of 180 MPH?

There are no roads where you can drive that fast and a Toyota Corolla will get you from point A to B just fine.

See how easy this is!

[NutmegYankee]

22. I'm sure we could go at this all day.

In the case of a modern Porsche, a simple software governor solves the issue.

[Just reading posts]

28. Are you arguing that all cars should have a speed governor of (let's say) 75 mph?

[NutmegYankee]

58. Many have one somewhere just above 100 MPH.

I know Ford starts cutting out fuel at 107 MPH.

[Just reading posts]

59. There are high performance sports cars that cut fuel above 150 mph. But I repeat, should the

government mandate that all cars have such a feature above 75 or 80 mph?

[NutmegYankee]

62. Considering that there are speed limits of 85 MPH, obviously no.

Should they cap it over 100 MPH, yeah. No US road is designed safely for 3 digit speeds.

[Logical]

61. Another really stupid statement from you. nt

[WinkyDink]

68. We don't. But, you see, I'm willing to ban these top speeds, too. See how easy THAT is?

[Zynx]

71. A Porsche isn't designed to kill large numbers of people.

An AR-15 is. It has no other purpose.

[LanternWaste]

94. It's certainly a convenient method of refusing to answer the direct questio

It's certainly a convenient method of refusing to answer the direct question relevant to the OP. Deflect to The Other, and simply do as the NRA does-- everything but answer the question put to them.

Must be a helluva answer insofar that no one will.


"Why do you need a Porsche with a top speed of 180 MPH?"
Personally, I have no need of a 180 MPH Porsche, despite the excessive insurance, registration without exception and the paperwork trail that is concomitant to its ownership.

[Duckhunter935]

35. Mine are not for defending anything

Just a legal product I own.

[Duckhunter935]

37. Why do we need alcohol?

[Zynx]

73. Alcohol is heavily regulated and certain varieties do get banned.

For example, energy drink/alcohol combos were largely banned because of their dangerous nature.

[Duckhunter935]

76. I do not need a background check to purchase

Much less regulated than firearms sales.

[Zynx]

83. Its usage is less inherently dangerous.

[Duckhunter935]

85. Tell that to the tens of thousands of dead people

And their families. Those people are just as dead but it is small numbers daily so you do not care about them it appears.

[Zynx]

89. Beef and fatty meats generally kill hundreds of thousands prematurely.

Yes, these things happen, but they're not designed as weapons of murder. Guns are inherently violent. Explosives kill very small numbers of people and would even if we allowed them to be widely owned, but explosives are inherently destructive and we rightly make them hard to get for that reason. I'm distrustful of civilian ownership of things that are meant purely for slaughter. Hunting and target rifles have legitimate purposes. Assault and military grade weapons have no legitimate primary purpose. For more legitimate gun purposes, they're the equivalent of driving a tank to work instead of a regular car. Yeah, sure, it works for that purpose, too, but the absurdity of it should be self-evident.

[dumbcat]

44. The answer is

in the Federalist Papers, if you care to read them.

But it has become one of the taboo subjects.

[SwankyXomb]

57. There is an answer for this, but it will get a hide

[dumbcat]

67. Yep, it's a taboo topic

that which cannot be spoken. Amazing.

[Crunchy Frog]

90. The love that dares not speak its name?

[dumbcat]

91. No, the answer to the question posed

You make no sense.

[Crunchy Frog]

92. Very little on these threads makes any sense.

I'm just trying to join in the spirit of things.

[dumbcat]

93. I'm sorry

you are unable to comprehend. It's sad to be left out of the conversation.

[hack89]

69. I didn't buy mine for self defense

I live in a safe town.

[Zynx]

75. Why did you get one?

[hack89]

79. I use mine for competitive target shooting

I compete in High Power Rifle competitions.

[Thav]

87. I'm quite scared of these weapons, and I need a bigger, badder weapon

I should be able to carry around a Browning .50 caliber belt fed machine gun to protect myself. And a 20mm cannon, and 88mm anti tank weapons. I also need Minuteman III missiles. It's my God given right to defend myself!@

If you outlaw 88mm anti tank weapons, only OUTLAWS will have 88mm anti tank weapons! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

[lapfog_1]

30. because

[Equinox Moon]

64. Right, part of the point of this thread was the guy's statement---

"We have a God given right to defend ourselves with firearms"

It was so out of line with the interview and revealing. God, was not part of the interview in anyway. And for him to say that, sounds like something religious radicals in other countries would say.

[libodem]

49. Fucking religious end timers

They all think they need the guns to protect their food supply after, Jesus, gets back here to burn us.

Yep, we who didnt prep, will be really sorry and bullet ridden if we don't catch fire first. Man, will I eveh be feelin' the Bern, then.

Hmmmm? How will our Jewish friends fair, speaking of my, Bern? Convert at the last second, I suppose?

(Sorry, just thinking out loud)

[Iggo]

70. Damned sinners.

All the really good ones will miss all the fun.

If' they're planning to be around for the fireworks, they're already doomed.

(Either that or there is no god and it's all a huge waste of time and brainpower and life.)

[libodem]

72. .

[roamer65]

88. Of course he can't answer it.

The NRA is the cover organization for many sovereigntist movements.