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Bucky

(53,987 posts)
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 05:09 PM Jun 2016

This chart looks great for the Dems... until you look closer

Trump's support dropping to <40% and falling looks encouraging. Clinton's margin over him is a huge relief for those of us who've been worrying about her core politicking skills. But not so flattering is her 7 point drop over the last two months in match ups against Trump.

Trump in the same cycle has shot up in the polls, as he zeroed in on clinching the nomination, and then petered out to the original preference numbers once he started letting his freak flag fly. But in the same news arc, Clinton has slid down steadily until leveling off in the 43-45% range.



She's riding on his core unpopularity. She's winning by virtue of running against a truly reprehensible human being. Right now it looks like the election is hers to lose. A coup in the GOP convention hall could reshuffle the deck. It would, of course, desperately divide the Republicans from the Trump base of chumps. But then they'd have four months to repair the damage. It's an unlikely scenario, but one our side should be ready to deal with.

They can't do worse than Trump; that's certain. Any change will improve their chances. And frankly Clinton's dropping numbers in the same time frame as Trump's implosion may have blinded us to the realities of a weak Democratic nominee in the year when voters desperately want change. Our side needs excitement; our side needs an energy blast to get out of these doldrums. Our side needs Elizabeth Warren.

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This chart looks great for the Dems... until you look closer (Original Post) Bucky Jun 2016 OP
That would be a bad call. The D pres needs a D senate. Leave Elizabeth where she peacebird Jun 2016 #1
whatever works MFM008 Jun 2016 #2
Doesn't mean much at this point. Check again after the conventions. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #3
First, I prefer Warren stay right where she is... Wounded Bear Jun 2016 #4
Warren is needed in the US Senate. longship Jun 2016 #5
I started a thread on this a week or two ago: Gabi Hayes Jun 2016 #6
I would support Al Franken. longship Jun 2016 #7
democratic governor, yes? Gabi Hayes Jun 2016 #8

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
1. That would be a bad call. The D pres needs a D senate. Leave Elizabeth where she
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 05:12 PM
Jun 2016

Can do the most good. Pick a solid Gov, or State Senator. There are many options.

TwilightZone

(25,456 posts)
3. Doesn't mean much at this point. Check again after the conventions.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 05:23 PM
Jun 2016

Also, contrary to popular belief, Elizabeth Warren isn't as popular outside of the left, which should probably be self-evident. Her approval ratings overall are pretty much 50/50 among those who have an opinion of her at this point.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/elizabeth-warren-favorable-rating

In other words, she's not going to shake up the race. The polls largely show that most Dems are already on board with Hillary, and adding Warren to the ticket isn't going to make a huge difference with the rest of the electorate.

As far as energy and excitement, I guess you haven't been paying much attention. Warren and the others supporting Hillary have been generating a lot of energy and excitement in the real world already. Adding her to the ticket isn't going to appreciably change the way Trump is targeted.

Wounded Bear

(58,637 posts)
4. First, I prefer Warren stay right where she is...
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 06:00 PM
Jun 2016

torturing Repubs in the Senate. She's good at it. Plus, if we flip the Senate, she'd be a natural for Commerce Committee Chairman.

2. Mass is the bluest state in the country, Warren is no help there. I say go somewhere else.

3. It is historical truth that Clinton has seldom, if ever, risen higher in the polls than she starts.

4. To replace Trump now would shatter the Repub party, what's left of it anyway. His base would rebel, and it seems unlikely that any swing voters would jump right after this fiasco, at least not enough to sway the final vote. Right now it looks like Hillary will win with Obama-like numbers, if not more.

longship

(40,416 posts)
5. Warren is needed in the US Senate.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 06:33 PM
Jun 2016

And as somebody pointed out, MA is a very blue state, so a MA VEEP does not help at all.

Please not Warren as VEEP.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
6. I started a thread on this a week or two ago:
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 07:23 PM
Jun 2016
http://www.alfrankenvpwatch.com/

he would REALLY get under candy colored tangerine flake baby's skin.

he eats lying hypocrites for lunch, and isn't afraid to stand up to the biggest of bullies. just ask Bill OReilly:



longship

(40,416 posts)
7. I would support Al Franken.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 07:33 PM
Jun 2016

However it empties a desperately needed US Senate seat which not too long ago was held by the GOP, just like Warren's.

That worries me.


 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
8. democratic governor, yes?
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:55 PM
Jun 2016

Minnesota Democratic–Farmer–Labor Party

Mark Dayton

safe seat, I think

Warren's not so much. that said, they are not going to allow her to be on the ticket for several obvious reasons, which have been listed in this thread

that said, I'd MUCH rather see EW as the first woman POTUS

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