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Baitball Blogger

(46,655 posts)
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 12:59 AM Jun 2016

There aren't just two Americas. There are Three.

What I Learned Living in a Homeowner's Association in Central Florida

By Baitball Blogger

Sometimes things fall in place to give you a way to see something that before, was once too complicated to explain. That is what happened this week when I received a letter from our Homeowner’s Association to announce an annual meeting for the purpose of electing officers, as well as other business.

This will be the first election they have held in two years. They must have come to realize that as a Florida Corporation they were obligated to follow the rules of the State. Since they didn’t hold a meeting last year for this purpose, technically, they have been running the organization with an illegally constituted board.
Unfortunately for them, there is ample evidence that they have been holding illegal meetings. It’s a small community of 28 homes so it isn’t difficult to follow the traffic patterns or see the evidence that the board members are converging at the president’s home.

Sometimes I think there is divine intervention involved the way these things fall in my lap. For example, my dog died on September 22nd and, because I wanted to hold onto the last memory I had of her, I digitally recorded the entire day from my security camera. I wanted to see how I could have missed the signs. But you know what I found instead? While she was getting hit with one convulsion after the other, outside on the street, the board members were on their way for an evening gathering. And while they were on their way to the meeting, another neighbor (who has in the past shown very little respect for boundaries when she walked her dogs), unnecessarily trespassed into my yard. Whether she was there to scout and see if I had noticed the rendezvous, or had come to try to warn me of what was about to happen, I guess I’ll never know.

There is no doubt that this board illegally converged to make monetary decisions because they clearly announced such a decision in their letter. The letter stated that tree maintenance would be performed for the common areas in front of the town-homes that are part of our mixed home community.

Here’s the sticking point. There are no common grounds infront of the town-homes. We have easement rights and common ground on the side of these homes that give us egress to a considerable patch of common grounds behind the town-homes. But nothing infront, as stated in their notice.


In fact, twenty years ago, when we first moved in, these town-homes, which consist of two duplexes and a quadruplex, were required to pay an exorbitant annual fee compared to the fee that was paid by those of us who lived in single family homes. I believe they paid something like $660.00 a year, compared to our $183.

Those of you who live in multi-family homes or condominiums might understand the reason for this better than I do. I believe that the way our documents were originally written, the Association was expected to take this money from these owners to contract workers to maintain their front yards, which also included atriums; as well as a small swatch of land that the town-house owners own behind their houses, which butt up against our common grounds. They also have party-walls that the Association may have had to collect money for.

But this is where I first witnessed the appearance of the Third America. I saw the transformation occur as strong-willed owners, who were very well connected into the city politics, lobbied to take control of their own maintenance. It may have made sense, at first. But then, our Association went into a state of chaos as they also tried to adversely possess the common areas behind their homes!

This was only one of many efforts. Their resolve was tireless, which only raised the acrimony and distrust in this community.

The common grounds have always been treated like a resource that was up for the taking. But, we see the same pattern over and over again across this country. It’s a sense of entitlement that drives them.

Unfortunately, these kind of resources always get dangled like a carrot to induce more people into this Third America, so it becomes impossible for a person of conscience to stop them by appealing to their sense of fairness and legal requirements.

In fact, when I was raising my small children in this community, I was very much aware that the children they played with on this street were getting an education into a way of life that was very foreign than the one that I was exposed to as a child; or the one I was teaching my children. It became clear to me that the children who grow up in households that see how the social networks can subvert the legal process, are children who will never grow up respecting government. They will always know that there is a way around the process and you can get away with subverting people’s rights, as long as you form strong, political alliances.

So now, I am not only pondering the fact that, if I’m right, the Association will misappropriate the funds, but I’m also shaking my head because they are also announcing a Mulch-fest, asking for volunteers to spread mulch on the common grounds that they do recognize as part of the Association. I mean really? Are they really paying for maintenance of private property at the same time that they are asking us to volunteer our services?

Yes, I will write a letter to the Association, just to be sure, but this has to be the busiest week I have had all year and where they have had two years to work out agreements and understandings, I have just days to send something off in the mail before I hear the sound of chain-saws and tree grinders. I don’t think I’ll make it in time.

One of the things that I would have told them if this community had followed protocol, was that our Association documents include a list of legal definitions. If you look up the term “common grounds” it will describe them and I believe you will see “landscape easement” included. You can always check with a real estate lawyer to see if I am right.

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There aren't just two Americas. There are Three. (Original Post) Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 OP
kick to read later, rec because I am looking forward to reading more uppityperson Jun 2016 #1
Appreciate it, uppity. Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #2
kick rurallib Jun 2016 #3
A kick for this very important thread. CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2016 #4
The Condo Commandos Aerows Jun 2016 #5
This group is one large notch above the usual condo commandos. Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #10
It is extremely unethical. Aerows Jun 2016 #12
I know what you're saying. Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #13
"Everything should be different!" Aerows Jun 2016 #14
K&R... spanone Jun 2016 #6
A kick and a rec. herding cats Jun 2016 #7
No. The things they do are not legal. Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #8
When I was looking for a house, I ruled out any with an association. NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #9
They definitely have been given a free hand around here. Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #11
HOAs seem to be attractive to anti-government types, for some reason. alarimer Jun 2016 #15
The trend that will expose that it's all a terrible idea that needs to be pitched is the Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #16

Baitball Blogger

(46,655 posts)
2. Appreciate it, uppity.
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 03:18 PM
Jun 2016

I'm so busy that I don't have the time to send that letter to the HOA for a few more days. Wouldn't trust any other method than snail mail in order to leave a paper trail. The more exposure this gets, the better chance it has to inform other people in the development who have been misled.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
5. The Condo Commandos
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 12:39 AM
Jun 2016

Oh how I do not miss them. Florida seems to have an extremely militant version of them. They happen in other places, but there are an army of them in FL.

Baitball Blogger

(46,655 posts)
10. This group is one large notch above the usual condo commandos.
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 12:22 PM
Jun 2016

They are selectively enforcing the documents. Mostly, people who are part of their inner circles get a blind eye from the board whenever they are violating the documents. And these can be egregious oversights. Like the time that one neighbor pulled out mature azaleas and a sago palm from their next door neighbor's yard (I am sure with the neighbor's approval) to plant along the homeowner's association's landscape easement to advance their adverse possession claim. I'm guessing that they wanted to make it look like they had adversely possessed the property for longer than seven years, based on the size of the plants. The HOA board will have trouble claiming that they were taken by surprise since their children are all part of the same play groups.

Meanwhile, I walk out to maintain my yard, sprucing up flower beds or spray-painting pots and landscape features and it never fails that someone will walk by on the private golf path, presumably to discretely check on what I'm doing. I consider it harassment because it's impossible for them to enforce their rules based on past history. They simply have not followed due diligence and cannot show a record of objectively enforcing their rules and regulations.

Changing the board will not have a long-term effect on this way of life. The members of this community are too embedded in the local political networks. Remove them from power and the new board members will just be seduced or induced with business proposals. I saw it when I served on the board many years ago.

Back then, someone on the board who need warehouses for their business was approached by a homeowner who builds warehouses for a living. If nothing else, he received good information, like how you can circumvent drainage-related regulations by leaving your private roads unpaved.

Another board member was a realtor, and it wasn't difficult to find a public record of a home that she sold to the daughter of the main good ole boy in this community. Therefore, income from commissions can be considered an inducement because it forces people to play nice with individuals who really need to face the full extent of the law.

In my case, inducement attempts didn't go beyond the initial vetting. For example, when they lost a big vote in a HOA meeting, they didn't even stop to reflect. One person muttered in resentment, "We were here first." And another guy followed that up by asking what my husband sold for a living. He wanted to know if they could buy some units? We didn't take them seriously, and they knew not to push the issue.

But, I did experience two more soft vetting approaches, both that dealt with real estate sales. A City Commissioner was talking up the satisfaction that comes from helping people find a new home to live in. But I squashed that inquiry by saying that I would not derive satisfaction for taking responsibility in putting people in a community that may have trouble with the infra-structure.

And another time was more subtle. A neighbor, who I thought had managed to separate herself from their way of life, had watched me bust my butt on a project that didn't really produce any income. Her comment, "Do you always want to work that hard? Don't you want to find an easier way?"

I have over-heard those words repeated several times over in the casual conversation around here. That's the problem with Orlando, I think. There is such a wide gap between honest work that you can find that barely pays minimum wage, and money you can make from solid, traditional careers that won't burn you out, or aren't loaded with political pay-back requirements. Everything else reeks of quick and easy money that comes from skirting moral and ethical practices.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
12. It is extremely unethical.
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 12:38 PM
Jun 2016

Try going to the meeting where they vote to enact an assessment fee of twice the fees for 3 months to "replace the roofs".

Of course, the only people that had their roof replaced were the people that were on the board, and suspiciously, it didn't appear that the roofs had much work done on them and ... here's a shock, the roofer's company was owned by the son of one of the board members.

Graft, pure and simple. You own the condo, and you can't do much about it except sell. Going to the board meetings is all well and good, but when the other residents don't show up but gripe about it later, wondering why nobody objected (which I did, vociferously), it takes the wind out of your sails.

Baitball Blogger

(46,655 posts)
13. I know what you're saying.
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 01:27 PM
Jun 2016

Any support I ever received was lip service. When the time came to stand up in the meetings to show any force, they remained quiet. Took me a while to realize that they were playing both sides. I was getting the worst of it because there was no advantage to sharing information with them.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
14. "Everything should be different!"
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 01:37 PM
Jun 2016

"But I don't have time to get involved."

That attitude irritates the shit out of me, and probably always will.

herding cats

(19,558 posts)
7. A kick and a rec.
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 02:00 AM
Jun 2016

I'd like to read this again when I'm fresh, but this doesn't even sound legal at my first read.

Baitball Blogger

(46,655 posts)
8. No. The things they do are not legal.
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 11:31 AM
Jun 2016

That's the whole point behind a white privilege society. Social networks only make it easier for them to cement relationships with all the people that should provide recourse to those that are being harmed by the shenanigans. Newcomers have to navigate through poisoned waters and have no idea what lawyers have a conflict of interest; nor will they be told. You have to figure this out on your own, and chances are your funds will be exhausted by then.

If you're lucky to find a lawyer who doesn't have a dog in this fight, the first thing they will do is pick up the phone and call the lawyers whose names are on the public record to get their side of the story. Of course, the information they will receive is one-sided. So, these objective lawyers will conclude that it's best to walk away from a client that doesn't have the hundreds of thousands of dollars to take on local and state political networks.

So, my task is to write down my experiences, because it's time to expose the fact that these entitle societies do exist in Florida, and they are creating one more reason that Orlando has become a transient stop-over for many people.

NutmegYankee

(16,197 posts)
9. When I was looking for a house, I ruled out any with an association.
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 11:43 AM
Jun 2016

My grandfather and great grandfather worked tirelessly to destroy the Nazis in the 1940s, and I wasn't going to live under them in the 2010s.

It just seems that these types of organizations bring out the little Napoleons in society. And as the article notes, rampant corruption is their tool of choice.

Baitball Blogger

(46,655 posts)
11. They definitely have been given a free hand around here.
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 12:23 PM
Jun 2016

In my community, members are embedded in the local political network, so things are deep in the rabbit hole.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
15. HOAs seem to be attractive to anti-government types, for some reason.
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 03:49 PM
Jun 2016

Which seems odd, since it is government, of a sort.

They are also rife with corruption, since they are usually accountable to no one.

Baitball Blogger

(46,655 posts)
16. The trend that will expose that it's all a terrible idea that needs to be pitched is the
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 06:41 PM
Jun 2016

alliances that are being made between city government and community leaders who run these Association. Bad news for government is that it's all so sloppy that the seams are ripped and exposed. I would definitely make a case that the First Amendment extends into HOA associations because you can no longer tell where city government ends and the association business begins.

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